Stephen Hawking says that intelligent aliens likely pose a real danger.
Dont talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking - Times Online
Dont talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking - Times Online
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Hawking sez Don't Talk to Aliens
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Hoffmeister
There is no spoon
I disagree with Hawking. With all that real estate out there, why would Aliens come and try and take our resources. There must be billions of other planets with nobody on them that they could mine or whatever
The real issue, of course, is that we have no way of knowing what the true motives of aliens might be, or even if they use what we'd regard as logic, in making their decisions.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
This is very true. Hawking's point is very androcentric but an interesting one with regards to an advanced technological civilization coming into contact with one that is less so. To be blunt aliens are well simple that alien, and so one must also conclude that their ways of thinking would have to be as such to us also. I have to say that it is nice to see some one of his calibre saying that with the amount of stars in the universe it is only logical that other civilizations must exist.
ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM
Whittingham
The most important reality is Aliens ( ETH) are being discussed in the main stream media at last by well know scientist
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
How they think and behave could very well be meaningless in regards to how contact with an alien society would impact ours. Please read "UFO Hypothesis and Survival Questions"
Perhaps the adage (and Rick Springfield hit) "Don't talk to strangers" is a good one. I think there is a tendency to think that advanced civilizations would somehow be "nicer". But if they still have wants, needs, and a hunger for power and control then maybe it is best not to initiate contact.
On the other hand, perhaps these advance beings have somehow gone beyond the simple "take what we want" attitude. If "they" have visited Earth before and not made us their slaves already, then maybe there is hope. Or maybe they are waiting for something.
So much speculation,.... but aimlessly sending out messages to whatever aliens are tuning in might be worth serious consideration and debate. Imagine our first encounter with an alien (or whatever) civilization is one where we are getting our asses handed to us. In that case "contact" isn't going to be quite what we were hoping for. If they are anything like us, then I would probably advise not dialing the phone.
On the other hand, perhaps these advance beings have somehow gone beyond the simple "take what we want" attitude. If "they" have visited Earth before and not made us their slaves already, then maybe there is hope. Or maybe they are waiting for something.
So much speculation,.... but aimlessly sending out messages to whatever aliens are tuning in might be worth serious consideration and debate. Imagine our first encounter with an alien (or whatever) civilization is one where we are getting our asses handed to us. In that case "contact" isn't going to be quite what we were hoping for. If they are anything like us, then I would probably advise not dialing the phone.
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
"Response to Stephen Hawking Comments - April 26, 2010
It is unfortunate that Stephen Hawking has added his voice to a growing chorus of xenophobia and fear regarding what he terms "Aliens."
Secondly, as a scientist, he should know better: Any interstellar civilization would possess such technologies that the meager resources of Earth would be unneeded. If you can travel faster than the speed of light, you can manifest what is needed. Period. Moreover, IF they were hostile- since ETs are already visiting Earth (see http://www.DisclosureProject.org)- this would have been made crystal clear when we detonated the first atomic weapon in 1945. To date, no place on Earth has been invaded or attacked or colonized.
Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that attends all things "alien." And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is carrying water for the military-industrial-financial complex which profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds?
Steven M. Greer MD
April 26, 2010"
Carrying water? Huh? What a frickin insult! Get out of your easy chair and grovel, Steven Hawking! Bad genius physicist, BAD! Down, gimme 20!
How dare humankind's self proclaimed "Ambassador to the Universe" sneer his displeasure in such a manner!
"Response to Stephen Hawking Comments - April 26, 2010
It is unfortunate that Stephen Hawking has added his voice to a growing chorus of xenophobia and fear regarding what he terms "Aliens."
Secondly, as a scientist, he should know better: Any interstellar civilization would possess such technologies that the meager resources of Earth would be unneeded. If you can travel faster than the speed of light, you can manifest what is needed. Period. Moreover, IF they were hostile- since ETs are already visiting Earth (see http://www.DisclosureProject.org)- this would have been made crystal clear when we detonated the first atomic weapon in 1945. To date, no place on Earth has been invaded or attacked or colonized.
Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that attends all things "alien." And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is carrying water for the military-industrial-financial complex which profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds?
Steven M. Greer MD
April 26, 2010"
Carrying water? Huh? What a frickin insult! Get out of your easy chair and grovel, Steven Hawking! Bad genius physicist, BAD! Down, gimme 20!
How dare humankind's self proclaimed "Ambassador to the Universe" sneer his displeasure in such a manner!
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
I have no doubt that Greer's major problem with Stephen Hawking is that Hawking didn't check with Steve before he cautioned humanity about contacting the cosmos. Schmuck.
Decker
I have no doubt that Greer's major problem with Stephen Hawking is that Hawking didn't check with Steve before he cautioned humanity about contacting the cosmos. Schmuck.
Decker
dyingsun
Paranormal Adept
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
Greer is an assclown, illusions of grandeur et al aside, the man has become a joke since 2001.
Greer is an assclown, illusions of grandeur et al aside, the man has become a joke since 2001.
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
Stephen also said there's no such thing as time travel. Reason given... because we've never been visited by any. I sent his webmaster off a e-mail many years ago, stating, "How do you know?" "What about ufos?"... I got no response. I later saw him at the White House (Clintons). He mentioned "How some people say that ufos are time travelers", but threw in how the US gov. is covering it up (as the theorist goes, he did this mockingly) and he doesn't think it's appropriate to discuss the matter here (at the White House). So then he went on to talk about more safe matters. Like a genius would of course.
As for the statement above. Dyingsun. 2001 Greer became a joke? (is that a joke? I'm sorry, I haven't read all the thread). In case you were serious, try 1994. AT LEAST.
Stephen also said there's no such thing as time travel. Reason given... because we've never been visited by any. I sent his webmaster off a e-mail many years ago, stating, "How do you know?" "What about ufos?"... I got no response. I later saw him at the White House (Clintons). He mentioned "How some people say that ufos are time travelers", but threw in how the US gov. is covering it up (as the theorist goes, he did this mockingly) and he doesn't think it's appropriate to discuss the matter here (at the White House). So then he went on to talk about more safe matters. Like a genius would of course.
As for the statement above. Dyingsun. 2001 Greer became a joke? (is that a joke? I'm sorry, I haven't read all the thread). In case you were serious, try 1994. AT LEAST.
dyingsun
Paranormal Adept
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
Not a joke, I am shoddy on my Greer history, but duly noted and welcome back.
Not a joke, I am shoddy on my Greer history, but duly noted and welcome back.
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Well we have the Abductions whether it is as widespread as reported is another matter. But only ten cases need to be true.
Something not invited came into peoples lives and started messing with their minds and body. Would this be considered a threat? ...or will we always just question the motive behind this action. Was it for good or bad purposes this was done? The fact is; if the technology is as advanced as we think it could be. We probably be gone or taken over by now unless this entities for most part are dimensional beings, and they can't stay too long in our space, and they need to return after a specific time which rules out the possibility of invasion by entities, that would be hostile to the Human being.
Hawking is not relevant to the discussion he still stuck within the notion they haven't arrived yet. I and others have moved beyond that point and i really don't get why people respect people who obviously debunk a subject without even looking at the merits of the evidence. I have respect for people like Vallee, Imbrogno, Michio kaku people who get out there and express their feelings without being worried about the implications of their words and actions. Respect!!
Something not invited came into peoples lives and started messing with their minds and body. Would this be considered a threat? ...or will we always just question the motive behind this action. Was it for good or bad purposes this was done? The fact is; if the technology is as advanced as we think it could be. We probably be gone or taken over by now unless this entities for most part are dimensional beings, and they can't stay too long in our space, and they need to return after a specific time which rules out the possibility of invasion by entities, that would be hostile to the Human being.
Hawking is not relevant to the discussion he still stuck within the notion they haven't arrived yet. I and others have moved beyond that point and i really don't get why people respect people who obviously debunk a subject without even looking at the merits of the evidence. I have respect for people like Vallee, Imbrogno, Michio kaku people who get out there and express their feelings without being worried about the implications of their words and actions. Respect!!
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
Dr. Greer, the self-described "little ol' country doctor" knows, he just knows, that if you can can travel faster than the speed of light well by golly-gee you can wiggle your nose (or whatever) and "pop" things into existence much like Samantha on Bewitched. But seriously. Greer is clueless. A scientist like Hawkings would never make such assumptions.
Not only is the emergency room physician an armchair cosmologist and astrophysicist he is an inter-species psychologist and sociologist as well. Wow ...that is amazing.
He reminds me of Robert Cornthwaite playing Dr. Carrington in The Thing from Another World on so many levels.
Dr. Greer, the self-described "little ol' country doctor" knows, he just knows, that if you can can travel faster than the speed of light well by golly-gee you can wiggle your nose (or whatever) and "pop" things into existence much like Samantha on Bewitched. But seriously. Greer is clueless. A scientist like Hawkings would never make such assumptions.
Not only is the emergency room physician an armchair cosmologist and astrophysicist he is an inter-species psychologist and sociologist as well. Wow ...that is amazing.
He reminds me of Robert Cornthwaite playing Dr. Carrington in The Thing from Another World on so many levels.
Deja Q
Paranormal Novice
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
Just the fact that Brian Williams presented the story on NBC Nightly News (without smirking) is good news.
Anytime we get mainstream people discussing the topic without anyone laughing, or using the words "kooks" or "crazy", is a step in the right direction.
Just the fact that Brian Williams presented the story on NBC Nightly News (without smirking) is good news.
Anytime we get mainstream people discussing the topic without anyone laughing, or using the words "kooks" or "crazy", is a step in the right direction.
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
Well, this just isn't true or at least he has revised his thinking which he has done numerous times to fit with current scientific thinking. He in fact says that time travel IS possible albeit only travel to the future. But he gives plenty of detail concerning the physics of potential time travel both ways and why he thinks it is possible one way but not the other.
Keiran quoted:
"Hawking is not relevant to the discussion he still stuck within the notion they haven't arrived yet. I and others have moved beyond that point and i really don't get why people respect people who obviously debunk a subject without even looking at the merits of the evidence."
In all fairness, he is saying that aliens do in fact exist. I think there are lots of people that are unconvinced that they have arrived here on Earth though. I don't look at this as a debunker mentality. However, he has previously stated that "UFO's only appear to cranks and weirdos" and most of us here know that this is not the case. Sure they do "appear" to those types of people but they also appear to credible "normal" people as well.
I think Hawking is smart enough to comment on the merits of time travel but has not researched the UFO phenomenon enough to take an unbiased and fair look at the UFO cases. If he had, I don't think he would have commented in that way to marginalize the experiencers.
Well, this just isn't true or at least he has revised his thinking which he has done numerous times to fit with current scientific thinking. He in fact says that time travel IS possible albeit only travel to the future. But he gives plenty of detail concerning the physics of potential time travel both ways and why he thinks it is possible one way but not the other.
Keiran quoted:
"Hawking is not relevant to the discussion he still stuck within the notion they haven't arrived yet. I and others have moved beyond that point and i really don't get why people respect people who obviously debunk a subject without even looking at the merits of the evidence."
In all fairness, he is saying that aliens do in fact exist. I think there are lots of people that are unconvinced that they have arrived here on Earth though. I don't look at this as a debunker mentality. However, he has previously stated that "UFO's only appear to cranks and weirdos" and most of us here know that this is not the case. Sure they do "appear" to those types of people but they also appear to credible "normal" people as well.
I think Hawking is smart enough to comment on the merits of time travel but has not researched the UFO phenomenon enough to take an unbiased and fair look at the UFO cases. If he had, I don't think he would have commented in that way to marginalize the experiencers.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
It seems to me that the motivation for developing star spanning technologies has to resource driven. Either material resources or intellectual resources. I think they'll either show up here (or have shown up here) looking for specific substances, real estate, or information. Probably all three since that is basically what is driving our space efforts.
It seems to me that the motivation for developing star spanning technologies has to resource driven. Either material resources or intellectual resources. I think they'll either show up here (or have shown up here) looking for specific substances, real estate, or information. Probably all three since that is basically what is driving our space efforts.
ArchieBedford
Partly experienced
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
To most people, Greer didn't look like such a money-grubbing charlatan ego-inflated cult leader before 2001. He may have been one, but it wasn't so obvious.
To most people, Greer didn't look like such a money-grubbing charlatan ego-inflated cult leader before 2001. He may have been one, but it wasn't so obvious.
Simonemendez
Skilled Investigator
Here's what Greer has to say about Hawking's view:
I think I'm gonna sound reaaaaalllly cynical here. When Edgar Mitchell first came Out about his thoughts re. the infamous 'Ufo government cover up', I could SWEAR that I was listening to stuff right out of certain popular and famous Ufologists' books. Paul Hellier < not sure, spelling..) was convinced by Phillip Corso's book. I just wonder if Hawking got spellbound by someone's ETH conspiracy talking points.
I think I'm gonna sound reaaaaalllly cynical here. When Edgar Mitchell first came Out about his thoughts re. the infamous 'Ufo government cover up', I could SWEAR that I was listening to stuff right out of certain popular and famous Ufologists' books. Paul Hellier < not sure, spelling..) was convinced by Phillip Corso's book. I just wonder if Hawking got spellbound by someone's ETH conspiracy talking points.