Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
So then reading this statement Angelo, you understand what the phenomenon is....now please tell me what you think is behind it by replying:
1. Why it is that almost every abduction case that I have heard about, having the victim describe the entity or entities which perform this terrible fete, all tell of the same "grey" creature as the type of monster/alien/demon whatever doing the nasty deed? And all of them stating this in different periods of history, many without the advantage we have of media driven influences?
2.Why is it that almost every time we read about or are privy to the case reports, that the various operations, both through the skin as in metal implants, anally, orally, etc. happen to the victims almost all inclusively?
3. If as I understand you believe, that the entire scenario is psychological in nature, then how can it be purported that cases happening all over the world, have described the very same entity? Are we to believe that all of them have been privy to the same E.T. description in the past by the media or other?
4. Do you believe in the "spirit" of a human being?
5. If so, do you believe that just the "spirit" can be abducted, and thus the reason why a second person might have been witnessing the dastardly act without anything happening physically to the victim?
Let's start from there.
1. Most of the cases that talk about "greys" seem to be western, so they have probably seen them in media. In previous time periods, people thought they were demons. I.E. Incubus. Also, humans tend to see faces of one kind or another. In a dream like state, the faces may seem to be featureless like those seen by "abductees."
2. I thought the whole anal probe thing was a Whitley Strieber creation.
3. See number 1.
4. We each have our own personalities and consciousness. If you want to call that spirit, that's cool.
5. Nope. That concept seems silly to me. Why complicate things like that? I know I was having a nightmare and my wife saw it. Why are you trying to make more of something?
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First off Angel doesn't "know" In My opionion,if he has experienced the "same" thing that Archie Bedford and others here have recounted. His experience seem more "kin" to certain things I've expereinced over the years. I have never seen little grey aliens but have often woken up not able to move and sensing a presence. Real or psycological? I don't know but then again I don't know if there is any difference at that point. Also, since Angel has said he is an athiest then I very much doubt he believes in the human or any other spirit. The problem that I have with fundi Christians or Muslims or avowed atheist or any other "label" is there is no reason to ask them anything at all. The only response from a good Christian is "demonic" or bunk. The only good response from a strong atheist is "bunk" or a mental abberation. Hope I save you two some time. I lean more into the spirutal/psyhcological perspective. Also, I have had some actual experiences with what some would call "demonic" and can tell you its' different from sleep paralylis or a mental issue. It can mimic it but it's not the same and at it's core it's not that hard to tell it apart. So, at the risk of offending Angel I would say that what he is describing and what some abductees are describing are two different levels of expereince. But, I sound kind of smug and arrogant and for that I apoligise in advance.
Peace.
Tyder, no need to speak for me. Please see my answer.