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Obama Birth Certificate

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As a non American, I'd interested to understand the answer to this question.

What is it, specifically, that makes a baby born in America, better than a baby not born in America - at having a career in American politics later on in their life?
 
Money! The myth that Barrack Obama lived the life of a black man in America is just that. A Myth! Rich white family that nurtured and gave him the opportunity to climb the social ladder. In this nation you must have money. The real point of discrimation is between the very rich and the very poor. If you really look at the way the nation is run you will see. There are no real free elections. The special interest of both parties annoint the next great one. Then the voters go into a booth and vote which of the princes they will "elect" Then the electoral college either approves (happens most of the time) or disaproves of the great "unwashed" choice. You will have money, power and big bucks backing you. You will submit to the special interest of one of the "parties." Otherwise you will not be president of the U.S. I love my nation. This is kind of a parody but at the same time. IT's true for the most part.

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This will be (unless it gets personal) my last post on politics. I should have known better. I can discuss God, Darwin, Ghosts, Ufo's. Sports, religion,music, books and any other subject and have fun. But, politics is so divisive these days that I find my own voice getting shrill. So, I'm done. Believe what ya want about the nasty old racist white folks and the wonderful Barrack Obama and his stuggle. Believe all the conservatives are evil and all the liberals are great. Believe all conservatives are God's chosen and all the liberal are Satan's spawn. But, please beleive this. None of them are rightous and none of them are honestly "servants" of the people. Nuff said. (at least by me.)
 
tyder001 said:
Money! The myth that Barrack Obama lived the life of a black man in America is just that. A Myth! Rich white family that nurtured and gave him the opportunity to climb the social ladder. In this nation you must have money. The real point of discrimation is between the very rich and the very poor. If you really look at the way the nation is run you will see. There are no real free elections. The special interest of both parties annoint the next great one. Then the voters go into a booth and vote which of the princes they will "elect" Then the electoral college either approves (happens most of the time) or disaproves of the great "unwashed" choice. You will have money, power and big bucks backing you. You will submit to the special interest of one of the "parties." Otherwise you will not be president of the U.S. I love my nation. This is kind of a parody but at the same time. IT's true for the most part.

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This will be (unless it gets personal) my last post on politics. I should have known better. I can discuss God, Darwin, Ghosts, Ufo's. Sports, religion,music, books and any other subject and have fun. But, politics is so divisive these days that I find my own voice getting shrill. So, I'm done. Believe what ya want about the nasty old racist white folks and the wonderful Barrack Obama and his stuggle. Believe all the conservatives are evil and all the liberals are great. Believe all conservatives are God's chosen and all the liberal are Satan's spawn. But, please beleive this. None of them are rightous and none of them are honestly "servants" of the people. Nuff said. (at least by me.)
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Tyder, the main issue we're discussing is Obama's birth certificate. He's way better than the previous president in some ways, but exactly the same in others. Even though he's part of your "liberal" party, his politics are pretty similar to our (Canada) Coservitive party. If the people who call him a socialist saw the type of views our official opposition party has, their brains would melt. Look up the NDP if your curious.
 
dyingsun said:
Kieran, I couldn't/don't want to live without a publicly (through taxes, of course) available health care system either. When it is more frightening to think about the bill you might get then getting patched up at a Hospital..something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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Well, i could not live like that personally speaking.

But its not just health that is below the standard found in Europe.

Many American kids have been left with huge bills after finishing up at College here in Ireland university and college education is basically free, the only costs really would be course books for the year and examination fees. In Ireland you get into the best schools by merit and by your ability, being able to pay for your education is less of social issue over here.

Findings have shown the standard of living for many American families with one or two of the parents out of work is very poor compared to people living in the same circumstances in Europe. Families in this predicament in Ireland* two parents with two kids or three kids or more are well looked after by this state with a weekly income cheque of 400 Euro- and many of these families are housed by the state long term with very low rent.

Very high wages in Ireland, example at its extreme would be our prime minister who almost makes twice as much as Obama the president of the United States, laughable I know. But this is the truth.

Great petrol prices though in the states!
 
Ok trying again with my question, maybe I phrased it badly last time.

Why does America insist that it's president has to be born in America?

Also, perhaps I don't quite understand the actual rule, is it really based on place of birth and not actually a citizenship thing?

To an outsider - this just seems to be openly racist, and despite the race issues that I guess you have (we have them too) I find that hard to believe, can someone please explain why America has this rule and why we have a 240 odd post on the subject on this forum?
 
Gene Steinberg said:
It's in the constitution, a natural born citizen, taken to mean someone born in the U.S. or in U.S. territory.
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Thanks Gene.

So presumably there's a reason behind that rule, if all is equal there is no need for the rule.

What is the reason?

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I'm going to tell you what I think.

I think that the reason this is written into the constitution of America, is because for a very long time, Americans have believed that they are intrinsically better than everyone else.

It is even written into your constitution. Your country is racist to it's very core.

Don't forget, the rule is not that a person has to be an American citizen. The rule is not even based on having American parents or not.

The rule is based on the idea that a baby born in America is better than a baby that is not.

That idea is a fallacy. Your constituation is based on a fallacy.

That's a real shame.
 
Well, I don't see anybody ruling in Japan that's from Norway or anbody in London ruling from Spain. :p


Crap! I said I wasn't gonna post on this subject anymore. Since I'm a member of the Society for the overthrow of the world at large and a citizen of the U.S.A and a self proclaimed genuis the I guess I should keep my word. After all I am better than you if you are not from the U.S. of A. :p

Seriously, I do think the U.S. would be better served if we learned to mind our own buisness and cleaned up our own mess over here. But, no we don't acutally think we are better than anybody else. My own family is of European desent with a little Native American throw in. A little African American somewhere in the mix. Lot of Irish and some Black Dutch and a little German and some from Wales and ya just get a big stew. :)
 
fatbaddie said:
Ok trying again with my question, maybe I phrased it badly last time.

Why does America insist that it's president has to be born in America?

Also, perhaps I don't quite understand the actual rule, is it really based on place of birth and not actually a citizenship thing?

To an outsider - this just seems to be openly racist, and despite the race issues that I guess you have (we have them too) I find that hard to believe, can someone please explain why America has this rule and why we have a 240 odd post on the subject on this forum?
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Maybe it's a loyalty issue. The founding fathers possibly believed that if someone wasn't born in this country could potentially be more prone to an outside influence. I mean it's a valid reason - they weren't fools. Besides, if you really wanted to get into politics you still have U.S congress and senate open to you.
 
truthseeker said:
Maybe it's a loyalty issue. The founding fathers possibly believed that if someone wasn't born in this country could potentially be more prone to an outside influence. I mean it's a valid reason - they weren't fools. Besides, if you really wanted to get into politics you still have U.S congress and senate open to you.
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Ok thanks, that's more like it, I was hoping someone would say something sensible.

Still... 240+ posts about a birth certificate... and this is hardly the place for politics generally is it.

Here's my next question.

Has the birth certificate question ever been asked before of a single other American president?

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It is even written into your constitution. Your country is racist to it's very core.

That's where your wrong. Note the facts of my and most Americans ancestry. We may be (or some may be) a little to quick on the ole bombs bursting in air. But, I don't really understand the "racist" part. I mean we have racist but I've never seen it really directed at other nations. It's more self directed at each other. Now that doesn't mean I haven't heard the terms people use in war for the other side. But, I don't think that kind of racism and propaganda is unique to the U.S. Maybe I'm just not understanding your point. Anyway, just my two cents.

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Has the birth certificate question ever been asked before of a single other America president?

Good Grief! Beleive me if any other liberal/consevative could have his right to run called into question the other side would do it. Has any other president but Clinton been asked about dress stains? Ya might not like the questions about the Birth certificate. But, that is as silly a reason as asking at a baseball game why they don't count balls and strikes in a basketball game. There may be one more person than you realize not making any sense there pardner. 8)

Anyway, some think it's racist and they are welcome to that opinion. I think it's politics as ususal in the good old U.S.A. which means it has some racism and some partisenship and some stupidity and some honest wondering. Anyway, I said I was out so unless somebody calls me an ugly name this time I mean it. Buh bye. :p
 
tyder001 said:
It is even written into your constitution. Your country is racist to it's very core.

That's where your wrong. Note the facts of my and most Americans ancestry. We may be (or some may be) a little to quick on the ole bombs bursting in air. But, I don't really understand the "racist" part. I mean we have racist but I've never seen it really directed at other nations. It's more self directed at each other. Now that doesn't mean I haven't heard the terms people use in war for the other side. But, I don't think that kind of racism and propaganda is unique to the U.S. Maybe I'm just not understanding your point. Anyway, just my two cents.

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Has the birth certificate question ever been asked before of a single other America president?

Good Grief! Beleive me if any other liberal/consevative could have his right to run called into question the other side would do it. Has any other president but Clinton been asked about dress stains? Ya might not like the questions about the Birth certificate. But, that is as silly a reason as asking at a baseball game why they don't count balls and strikes in a basketball game. There may be one more person than you realize not making any sense there pardner. 8)

Anyway, some think it's racist and they are welcome to that opinion. I think it's politics as ususal in the good old U.S.A. which means it has some racism and some partisenship and some stupidity and some honest wondering. Anyway, I said I was out so unless somebody calls me an ugly name this time I mean it. Buh bye. :p
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If the subject wasn't one you know you can contribute to, you wouldn't have posted :p

Don't be shy.

When Obama was elected - America said "look at us everyone now, we have moved on from our problems now".

Then America proceeded to chase it's own tail around and around and around. You wanted to shake off the baggage, but it didn't work.

That's why this post is here. That's why people are talking about the constitution instead of skin colours, it's all deeply uncomfortable for you.

That's why we are still talking about President Obama's birth certificate.
 
tyder001 said:
Well, I don't see anybody ruling in Japan that's from Norway or anbody in London ruling from Spain. :p


Crap! I said I wasn't gonna post on this subject anymore. Since I'm a member of the Society for the overthrow of the world at large and a citizen of the U.S.A and a self proclaimed genuis the I guess I should keep my word. After all I am better than you if you are not from the U.S. of A. :p

Seriously, I do think the U.S. would be better served if we learned to mind our own buisness and cleaned up our own mess over here. But, no we don't acutally think we are better than anybody else. My own family is of European desent with a little Native American throw in. A little African American somewhere in the mix. Lot of Irish and some Black Dutch and a little German and some from Wales and ya just get a big stew. :)
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If I am not mistaken, the rulers in England are from Germany.
 
I think the Royal Family (which doesn't acually rule these days) is indeed German and British. But, then again all of us that are of European decent have a little of everything in us. You would think humans would get along by now. Oh, wait I said I was gone. :) I just wanted to say "I'd like to teach the world to sing." :cool:
 
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