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Not part of the "frozen few" but I hope to never, ever live in world without faith or mystery. I would hate to be a "meatbot."
Again, this is written somewhat tongue in cheek as is my reply to Ezechiel's post above, the one with his comments about population control and his inclusion of a picture by Gustave Dore of a fighting scene of the Crusades. Dore would chuckle if he knew his work was being used to advocate that the Crusades were waged for population control way back before it became a more modern concern. And that "if Jesus was so smart he would have prevented the Crusades" is priceless. Again, tongue in cheek with Ezechiel, too! Kim
Absolutely, learning about the limits of the physical world through trial and error is an essential part of the human experience. Some experiences are obviously potentially fatal and require extensive preparation or training to master.
Imposing a moral framework guided by a supreme being instead of civil rules established through human experience is another ball game altogether. This is where secularity (much hated by fundamentalists of all creeds) kicks in and crashes into the religion collective and allows (in certain states) marriage between homosexuals for example.
Replacing guidance from a supreme being with much more progressive and self-adjusting secular values is the challenge of our kids. I'm not expecting the Santorum collective to change any time soon
Bastian's Elementargedanken in a particularly popular cultural manifestation?
The themes of life, death, and renewal seem to spring from our biology itself, being written as it were by the organism's life processes themselves seeking expression through the unconscious mind.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/01/apple-iphone-china-factories-forced-internsWorld consciousness concerning this situation is improving rapidly and adjustments are in the works. Don't forget that your grandfather was a slave to his farm.
Apple's Chinese iPhone plants employ forced interns, claim campaigners | Technology | The Guardian
https://www.theparacast.com/forum/#cite_note-Peter_Brown_2003_p._60-7Nope, during the roman empire Constantine 1 replaced the Imperial cult (polytheism) with christianity:
Emperor Constantine I was exposed to Christianity by his mother, Helena, but he was over 42 when he finally declared himself a Christian. Writing to Christians, Constantine made clear that he believed his successes were owed to the protection of that High God alone.
I'm not sure you catch my drift. As a prophet of peace and love with a planetary conscience, surely he would have understood multi-culturalism. The respect of thy brother with competing views ?
The resulting conflicts that ensued (and that are still raging) are a testament that he obviously did not.
Your reflexions are priceless... tongue in cheek of course
However, and this I cannot stress enough, and it is a consensus, and that is: Jesus WAS A JEW. His ministry was devoted almost exclusively TO THE JEWS. That was JESUS, he was JEWISH, and excuse the capitals, but really! That fact does not diminish anything about him. The Gospels have the stories of Jesus healing the centurion's servant and of, for instance, his healing of the Greek (Syro-Phoenician) woman's daughter, but he was sometimes, cringingly so, dismissive of those not Jewish, which, by the way, is a scholarly tool of studying the Gospels, but I won't get into that.
What is this, really, Ezechiel, with the "planetary conscience" stuff, the "multiculturalism" stuff? These are such modern concepts, even, and really casts some real, shall we say, ahem, dubiousness (euphemistically put!), on your statements, which you very clearly maintain as, well, what, fact, history, scholarship, substantiated by anything, etc., etc.
Nowhere is this more apparent than in the U.S. military where, for the past several years, in apparent violation of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution, chaplains have openly proselytized to thousands of active-duty soldiers and, in some cases, have tried to convert Iraqis and Afghans to Christianity.
Ezechiel - you are spot on in making the distinction that the corruption of the message is a human thing. In my mind the message is human-made anyway....I think an all-powerful God, who really wanted to give instructions to mankind would make sure of a few things:
1. That all humans have an equal chance to hear those instructions.
2. That it is made clear what the original words are in all languages so it can never be tweaked by humans.
Imagine you're sitting in a pub, and then you notice a beautiful woman across the other end of the bar looking at you. She's smiling in giving all the casual non-verbal signals that she finds you attractive, inviting you to make a move.
Now imagine the same good-looking woman moving determinately to where you are. She rips her blouse and bra, pulls you over and shouts "You! Me! right now! get to it!"
Which of those scenarios you find more appealing?
IMHO I suspect --see what I did there?-- that it's the same with God
PS: And if you answer #2... srsly dude, get some help
(emphasis mine)Anything more would be my opinion as to the WHY of your question. The only remote point on the why I'd say is precisely in opposition to Ezechiel's charges, which are helter skelter, pell mell, shotgun blast, now he's here, now his point's there approach, and say that I think it is PRECISELY that Jesus did not come down in a blaze of fire and thunder, bring lightening bolts down from the sky, and yell and scream and proclaim you WILL do this, etc., etc., is precisely the point. Keep in mind that Christianity's spread through the empire, as I've described above, WAS NOT, I repeat NOT (Ezechiel!) due to military conquest or the you will do this stuff he maintains, but it was a message that on many levels resonated deeply and personally to people. Kim