trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
An excellent show guys! This has been the best show in a while.
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Gosh Angelo, I am a bit disappointed.
I found his mindset that the government is terribly interested in the toddling old collection of UFO buffs (and their real estate agent leader) to be just as unsupported as the flying saucer idea itself.
It was hilarious to hear his report on the "progress" of the STAR!!!!! team.
In my opinion, Carrion is just another side of the same tarnished, muddy and almost worthless coin.
Lance
I found his mindset that the government is terribly interested in the toddling old collection of UFO buffs (and their real estate agent leader) to be just as unsupported as the flying saucer idea itself.
Wow! I was very impressed. Excellent show. I think James' analogy of the scenario of the little greys abducting humans, who are then all abducted by the real aliens was spot on.An excellent show guys! This has been the best show in a while.
Wow! I was very impressed. Excellent show. I think James' analogy of the scenario of the little greys abducting humans, who are then all abducted by the real aliens was spot on.
Maybe because it's convenient for them at the time to do so. Maybe some of these 'government-boys' aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer either. You can't know either way, but its plausible.Why would the government turn to these infighting, inept, and silly buffs and pay them to do what they do naturally.
Hah! I know, but I think he presented the situation just right.It's actually not his - it's a scene from the X-Files.
And I DO have some doubt about the Bennewitz case but I am glad that for you the case (involving some of the most notorious hoaxers in the UFO game) is wholly proven.
Well if having Ricard Doty and William Moore as key players doesn't give you the slightest pause then I am sure that you won't find my reservations of much worth either. Party on!
First, I stripped your message of the Microsoft Office formatting. You could just as well write your message using the forum's text editor and do everything you need. The only problem is if your computer crashes or the browser crashes while writing that message, but with Word, you still need to save to preserve your words.
Second, Carrion's position at MUFON was a day job. I don't know if it represented a 40 hour week or more, but I expect it may have crimped his style when it comes to doing actual research.
I agree 70-80% with that line of thought. It probably is quite true today; nothing but the very fringes of 'the government' could give a whit about manipulating/monitoring the UFO community. However, if we stretch our view back to the cold-war years, I think that argument becomes much less solid. Don't forget, there are many other interests besides 'the government' that would find it convenient to manipulate the UFO crowd.I can guarantee that the government cares nothing for the less than 1 percent UFO crowd. The To make a long story short, we need to stop buying into the bunk that the "dark government" has objects that can perform like the 1% of legitimate documented UFO’s.
Oh, I understand his point.
My point is that this is nonsense. Why would the government turn to these infighting, inept, and silly buffs and pay them to do what they do naturally.
And I DO have some doubt about the Bennewitz case but I am glad that for you the case (involving some of the most notorious hoaxers in the UFO game) is wholly proven.
Don't know about the Redfern thing but am willing to bet that it isn't as clear cut as you seem to suggest.
Lance
Exactly. I think that point cannot be amplified enough.it is a mistake to treat the "intelligence community" as a monolithic group... or even to treat a particular agency, like the CIA, as a monolithic group.
Hi Paul,
I don't doubt that government agencies were very interested in the early days and have seen evidence that this interest continued (becoming milder and milder) until at least the 1970's. I wouldn't be surprised if there was still some sort of occasional interest, especially when related to some secret aircraft test seen by civilians (as an example).
But what I do doubt is that the increasingly pointless and always impotent MUFON is considered in any funded consensus of the intelligence community (as opposed to nitwits like Richard Doty, for instance) to be anything beyond what it is: a bunch of unscientific saucer buffs. That a cloak and dagger routine might be concocted to give MUFON money to squander (on nothing which is their stock in trade) is beyond the possibility of belief (at least for me).
I would have thought that you might be tired of how the buffs, upon finding out about some negative aspect of UFO's, always pull out the disinformation card. It's so sad that these doddering old ideas still find resonance among the doddering old (and clueless new) enthusiasts.
And as far as my biases go, are you suggesting that you have none? If so, I hope that you might look down upon me from up above and realize that I get mine as honestly as I can.
Lance