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I see what you mean manxman - what i wanted to express that Bush and his administration DID NOT orchestrate the attacks.No no angelo you dont get to make sweeping comments like that unchallenged, sure all the conspiracy loony tunes stuff i agree wholeheartedly, but you just cannot hand wave away the bush saudi connection that easy.
This is thread is about tower seven,ad so off topic however i will be glad to take your hand and start you on guided tour if you want, i would like a balanced view, and i have a feeling you may like this rabbit hole.
Some very very credible people have made some pretty damning statements, one senator wrote a Pulitzer prizewinning publication, which i read that then led to reading maybe 2000 pages of government documentation in the last 4 years, like i said ts an eye opener.
And again i did it only for my own satisfaction, i wanted to know what the cover up was all about, and now i know, see if you agree, i can save you the time on the extensive research by directing you to the relative footnotes etc etc.
I mean the commissions report is 700 pages, no need for you to read all that when i can tell you where to look, and it is something we are in no rush with.
It is no coincidence that 15 f the 19 terrorists were saudi.
I will wet your whistle by showing you FBI documentation about price bandars funding of 2 of the terrorist, if you fancy a look, then if that tickle you nosey bone, we will go through the whole time line.
Prince Bandar is known in Washington by the nickname Bandar Bush[ google it ], nuff said,
Angelo you must have the highest levels of security clearance to know such things...I see what you mean manxman - what i wanted to express that Bush and his administration DID NOT orchestrate the attacks.
Angelo is not interested in facts. He relies on a belief system and is never ever wrong.aye well see how confident in that statement you are after a trip down the rabbit hole then, but it will involve a committed amount of reading on your behalf, and the least conclusion you can come to is criminal negligence.
criminal negligence is my conclusion at present, but even more data is fair flowing now, its snow balling, 2 new books about the matter are currently being touted as pulitzers.
Hello Ron, I have admitted being wrong here numerous times but then you haven't been around here long enough to know that I guess.Ring! Ring! Hello. OK...... Pixel, I think this is for you. Its the pot.... something about the kettle?
Pixel, there's no need for being so childish. Manxman is bringing up interesting points without resorting to your childish tactics. So stop it with your personal attacks on me so that we can continue. If you have a problem with me, PM me and don't clutter the thread with it.Angelo you must have the highest levels of security clearance to know such things...
btw- the bush and bin laden families are long time friends and business partners. prescott bush was also friends and financial supporter of the enemy during WW2, but you probably knew that.
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Angelo is not interested in facts. He relies on a belief system and is never ever wrong.
Interesting post from someone who is being childish and calling people stupid that do not agree with you, then instead of pm'ing me about cluttering my thread you tell me here to pm you so I do not clutter my thread... lmao. Thats why I like you Angelo, you say such um... obtuse things.Pixel, there's no need for being so childish. Manxman is bringing up interesting points without resorting to your childish tactics. So stop it with your personal attacks on me so that we can continue. If you have a problem with me, PM me and don't clutter the thread with it.
Thank you very much Don for your contribution...BUT building 7 was not hit by an airliner.Okay Gang, Me? I got no dog in this fight but somebody sent this to me today and I wanted to throw some fuel in the fire. Am I proposing this as THE ANSWER? Nope, ain't gonna do that. I just thought (if you haven't seen this) you should see this.
BREAKING: CUTTING-EDGE SCIENCE REVEALS NEW EXPLANATION FOR RAPID-FIRE
COLLAPSE OF THE 9/11 TWIN TOWERS: The TWIN TOWERS GIANT SPRINKLER SYSTEM
+ 60 TONS OF QUICKLY MELTING ALUMINUM FROM THE AIRPLANE HULLS ACCOUNTED
FOR THE REPORTED "EXPLOSIONS" HEARD BY MANY AS THE TOWERS FELL
FLOOR-BY-FLOOR ... THE KOOKY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED ...
The Daily Galaxy, Thursday, September 22, 2011
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS FLASH BREAK: "The aluminium industry had reported
more than 250 ALUMINUM-WATER EXPLOSIONS since 1980," he said.
NEW YORK – A mix of sprinkling system water and melted aluminium from
aircraft hulls likely triggered the EXPLOSIONS that felled New York's
Twin Towers on September 11, 2001, a materials expert told a technology
"If my theory is correct, TONS OF ALUMINUM ran down through the towers,
where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water,"
explained Christian Simensen, a scientist at SINTEF, an independent
technology research institute based in Norway.
"From other disasters and experiments carried out by the aluminium
industry, we know that reactions of this sort lead to VIOLENT
EXPLOSIONS. The SHEER WEIGHT of the top floors would be enough to crush
the lower part of the building," he said.
The ALUMINUM-WATER SCENARIO
would account for explosions from within the buildings just prior to
their collapse that have fuelled CONSPIRACY THEORIES suggesting that the
STRUCTURES had been BOOBY-TRAPPED!
The official report on the causes of the collapse blames over-heating
and failure of structural steel beams in the centre of the buildings.
"The aluminium industry had reported more than 250 ALUMINUM-WATER
EXPLOSIONS since 1980," he said.
In a controlled experiment carried out by Alcoa Aluminium, 20 kilos (44
pounds) of molten aluminum was allowed to react with 20 litres of water,
along with a small quantity of rust.
"The explosion destroyed the entire laboratory and left a crater 30
metres (100 feet) in diameter," Simensen said. By comparison, the
aircraft carried 30 tons of aluminum into each of the towers, according
to his calculations.
Copyright © 2011 / The Daily Galaxy via AFP
manxman please feel free to apologize, I thanked Don for his post and I meant it.Pixel.
Thats it then, dekkers post summarily dismissed with a wave of the hand.
please do not merge the threads.We could perhaps combine 2 subtopics here regarding Building 7 and the Twin Towers into one issue that troubles many of us. The neatness with which all three buildings collapsed simply looks like a controlled demolition. Tall buildings collapsing with perfect symmetry due to asymmetrical damage doesn't make common sense. The caveat is that large scale processes sometimes don't make "common sense" anyway.
The aluminum theory is a interesting take. Most people don't realize how energetic aluminum can be when burned at high temperatures. It works for the shuttle SRBs. Although I take it the process Decker is referring to is not combustion per se. Magnesium would be involved as well. Nasty stuff when burned.
I see no reason that this thread should be merged with any other 9/11 thread, unless it has to do with WTC 7 as well. This thread is specifically about how a building could collapse because of damage caused by buildings collapsing round it, and whether or not that's possible.please do not merge the threads.