Pentagon UFO Study - Media Monitoring

[Realm]

I have to agree with Dolan that it's extremely odd that these news outlets would put out this major news and not regularly follow up, or even comment on the lack of a follow up.

What major news they should follow up?

FOIA requests for AATIP haven't really resulted anything, and at the moment there's little evidence they did anything of significance, and that lack of results is pretty much the only thing that could be reported at the moment. It seems to have been a much less significant program than the early reports indicated.

TTSA has turned out to be a rather sad story, and highly questionable money grab.

Those 3 videos that have been released have turned out to be pretty disappointing. Gimbal probably shows just a distant jet. Go Fast is most likely a bird and shows how the TTSA didn't analyze it at all, and neither did the AATIP if they thought it's something special, as I have detailed here:

Analysis of TTSA 2015 Go Fast UFO video

The Nimitz incident is more than a decade old already, and there's not much the media could follow up on it anymore. That video also doesn't really function as evidence of anything:

The 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UFO Incident - Video analysis

At the moment the only major news the media should report on is that their earlier major news turned out to be something else.

It does sound very much like the media is being controlled.

When lack of information to report becomes a conspiracy theory...

Btw, even the original reports by the NYT and Washington Post didn't seem to be controlled in any way. WP just did a phone interview with Fravor a couple of days after NYT broke their story.

Now, whether it's "the government" controlling the slow trickle of information, or just the press playing along with TTSA's crowdfunding campaign, I don't know.

At this stage credible media organizations probably want to distance them from that money grab. Only one of the two original NYT articles even mentioned the TTSA as a new commercial venture. Leslie Kean emphasized somewhere that their story was not about the TTSA.

 

[Hollywood Tomfortas]

What major news they should follow up?

FOIA requests for AATIP haven't really resulted anything, and at the moment there's little evidence they did anything of significance, and that lack of results is pretty much the only thing that could be reported at the moment. It seems to have been a much less significant program than the early reports indicated.

TTSA has turned out to be a rather sad story, and highly questionable money grab.

Those 3 videos that have been released have turned out to be pretty disappointing. Gimbal probably shows just a distant jet. Go Fast is most likely a bird and shows how the TTSA didn't analyze it at all, and neither did the AATIP if they thought it's something special, as I have detailed here:

Analysis of TTSA 2015 Go Fast UFO video

The Nimitz incident is more than a decade old already, and there's not much the media could follow up on it anymore. That video also doesn't really function as evidence of anything:

The 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UFO Incident - Video analysis

At the moment the only major news the media should report on is that their earlier major news turned out to be something else.



When lack of information to report becomes a conspiracy theory...

Btw, even the original reports by the NYT and Washington Post didn't seem to be controlled in any way. WP just did a phone interview with Fravor a couple of days after NYT broke their story.



At this stage credible media organizations probably want to distance them from that money grab. Only one of the two original NYT articles even mentioned the TTSA as a new commercial venture. Leslie Kean emphasized somewhere that their story was not about the TTSA.

Do not despair! There is news!!! (Need some fanfare!)

*****EXCITING THRILL-PACKED BREAKING TTSA NEWS********

TOM DELONGE IS COMING BACK! TO MUSIC THAT IS!!!

Here is his latest official Facebook page announcement (and on 4/20 too, not only celebrating pot but also Adolf Hitler’s birthday!)

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This dude is coming back. Time to make music a priority again. @angelsandairwaves @tothestarsofficial

 

[Hollywood Tomfortas]

Do not despair! There is news!!! (Need some fanfare!)

*****EXCITING THRILL-PACKED BREAKING TTSA NEWS********

TOM DELONGE IS COMING BACK! TO MUSIC THAT IS!!!

Here is his latest official Facebook page announcement (and on 4/20 too, not only celebrating pot but also Adolf Hitler’s birthday!)

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This dude is coming back. Time to make music a priority again. @angelsandairwaves @tothestarsofficial

But wait, there’s more. Blink182 will be performing in Vegas this summer for their first ever residency.

Of course Tom is no longer with the group, but rumors are a swirling that Tom will make a surprise guest appearance with his old band. How could he resist, since Bob Bigelow and his meta-materials are also in Vegas. Will Disclosure finally happen on stage this summer in Vegas? If it does, then it surely won’t stay in Vegas, will it?

Blink-182 Announce Las Vegas Residency at Palms Casino Resort

 

[MrBeliever]

Well. That's an interesting statement to make a couple of weeks after reaching the 6 month mark of the crowdfunding campaign. Did they sit him down and let him know no new TTS-related multimedia projects would happen? Are they going to vote him out as CEO? It's probably obvious to everyone at this point that Tom Delonge is a tumor growing out the side of TTSA's face, but are they bold enough to push him out of his own venture? I hope so, for their sake.

Ironically, this was in their SEC filings, under risk factors:

We would be damaged by the death, incapacity, departure, or damage to the reputation of principal investor/key man Tom DeLonge. We currently depend on the continued services of Tom DeLonge. Mr. DeLonge further provides marketing and promotional opportunities in his professional capacity as a musician and celebrity. The loss or departure of Mr. DeLonge could disrupt our operations and have an adverse effect on our business.

This is very funny when you consider that, after signing these documents, Delonge went on the Joe Rogan podcast, possibly high on cocaine, and just set the entire thing on fire. I wonder what really happened.

@Realm, IMO, calling the crowdfunding campaign a money grab is a naive way to look at it. This company's end goal isn't to grab a few million dollars from the public, live off the proceeds for a few years and disappear having produced nothing. They want to build a spaceship. They need hundreds of millions of dollars. They've already stated that their intent is to go through additional rounds of private funding afterwards. If the crowdfunding campaign fails, it absolutely doesn't mean the company will stop operating or be unable to generate value for its investors.

 

[Hollywood Tomfortas]

Well. That's an interesting statement to make a couple of weeks after reaching the 6 month mark of the crowdfunding campaign. Did they sit him down and let him know no new TTS-related multimedia projects would happen? Are they going to vote him out as CEO? It's probably obvious to everyone at this point that Tom Delonge is a tumor growing out the side of TTSA's face, but are they bold enough to push him out of his own venture? I hope so, for their sake.

Ironically, this was in their SEC filings, under risk factors:


This is very funny when you consider that, after signing these documents, Delonge went on the Joe Rogan podcast, possibly high on cocaine, and just set the entire thing on fire. I wonder what really happened.

@Realm, IMO, calling the crowdfunding campaign a money grab is a naive way to look at it. This company's end goal isn't to grab a few million dollars from the public, live off the proceeds for a few years and disappear having produced nothing. They want to build a spaceship. They need hundreds of millions of dollars. They've already stated that their intent is to go through additional rounds of private funding afterwards. If the crowdfunding campaign fails, it absolutely doesn't mean the company will stop operating or be unable to generate value for its investors.

Yo, @MrBeliever ! I copied your post above and put it on Robert Sheaffer’s thread in the UFO Updates Facebook group. I think you can access it here, but you have to join to take part.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ufoupdates/permalink/10155262647776790

 

[MrBeliever]

Listened to @Frank Stalter's UFO News Network Sunday with guest Stephen Bassett:

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Looks like Bassett's opinion is that we owe TTSA's current silence to the "ten ring circus" of the current news cycle. They're supposedly waiting for the dust to settle before their next media blast. Let's hope that's not the case... The circus will be in town for quite a while, and may not go away until a bigger circus comes to replace it.

 

[MrBeliever]

I just found this (mildly NSFW), thought some of you might appreciate it:

 

[Constance]

I just found this (mildly NSFW), thought some of you might appreciate it:

Why?

 

[MrBeliever]

Someone posted this deleted post by Tom Delonge:

https://twitter.com/x/status/989054713722261505

I believe he refers to Elizondo as someone who prepared daily threat reports for the president himself. This is an extremely interesting development if true.

People like Grant Cameron have been saying that the president is always privy to this stuff but the government can't make that admission because it would erode trust. This deleted tweet may be evidence that it's true, and that Delonge was asked to bury the information.

But of course, it could just be inaccurate information...

 

[MrBeliever]

On second thought that tweet may be meaningless. The daily threat estimates are most likely a reference to the color coded terrorist threats from the Bush presidency. Might not be UFO-related at all.

On another note, TTSA updated several of its pages today, but they were all minor HTML code changes; no new text. Hey, it's activity, right?

 

[Hollywood Tomfortas]

On second thought that tweet may be meaningless. The daily threat estimates are most likely a reference to the color coded terrorist threats from the Bush presidency. Might not be UFO-related at all.

On another note, TTSA updated several of its pages today, but they were all minor HTML code changes; no new text. Hey, it's activity, right?

Dear @MrBeliever , I should hope you will live up to your name and believe that Tom deLonge’s most meaningful activities are in secret and “behind the scenes” as he assures us all in today’s announcement on his Facebook page. Scoff away you churlish infidel, you, oh, ye of little TTSA faith!
Tom deLonge is truly our long-awaited Disclosure Messiah!


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Tom deLonge

UPDATE: To The Stars Academy has proudly been working behind the scenes for weeks briefing hi-level staff in the US Gov to help inform new National Security Policy dealing with the UFO subject and also move the ball down the field for us all.

I have personally been present in some of these talks and have had the honor of explaining my own vision for Disclosure, communicating our intent at the To The Stars Academy to communicate the world’s biggest story through Motion Picture, include all of you in further scientific study, and also engineer a technology that is so beyond revolutionary it can literally change the world.

We have executed the first difficult steps in getting the DOD in officially acknowledge the UFO subject, but now there is so much more to do. Again, I can not stress how much your support matters. When you invest, we can make these films, build the machine, and continue to fly around the world and brief Gov Representatives. This will all ignite change. Thank you so much! Invest in a new future at ToTheStarsAcademy.com

 

[Hollywood Tomfortas]

Showdown at the TTSA Corral?

Grant Cameron just posted this on Facebook in response to Tom’s typical “assholiness-is-next-to-godliness” comment above.

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“I was offered a weekly radio show which I really don't want to do. Now I will do at least one episode to give Tom a chance to get this off his chest. I will sit quietly while he clears up all the major inaccuracies I have made. Then I will correct them. I am sure everyone would like the truth.

Maybe we can even address some of the questions FOIA expert John Greenewald has been trying to clear up. He has been going through Tom's public relations for three months without any success.”

 

[MrBeliever]

Dear @MrBeliever , I should hope you will live up to your name and believe that Tom deLonge’s most meaningful activities are in secret and “behind the scenes” as he assures us all in today’s announcement on his Facebook page. Scoff away you churlish infidel, you, oh, ye of little TTSA faith!
Tom deLonge is truly our long-awaited Disclosure Messiah!


============
Tom deLonge

UPDATE: To The Stars Academy has proudly been working behind the scenes for weeks briefing hi-level staff in the US Gov to help inform new National Security Policy dealing with the UFO subject and also move the ball down the field for us all.

I have personally been present in some of these talks and have had the honor of explaining my own vision for Disclosure, communicating our intent at the To The Stars Academy to communicate the world’s biggest story through Motion Picture, include all of you in further scientific study, and also engineer a technology that is so beyond revolutionary it can literally change the world.

We have executed the first difficult steps in getting the DOD in officially acknowledge the UFO subject, but now there is so much more to do. Again, I can not stress how much your support matters. When you invest, we can make these films, build the machine, and continue to fly around the world and brief Gov Representatives. This will all ignite change. Thank you so much! Invest in a new future at ToTheStarsAcademy.com

Nice. Internet rumors finally got to him!

While it feels like he's trying to set the record straight, I can't help but notice that he's making no specific reference to his previous message about "making music a priority again." None of his statements explicitly allude to anything he's doing right now at TTSA. Everything mentioned is past or future.

Worth noting is that he used the D word. Also, I'm now very curious about this role of "informing national security policy" all around the world. Interesting if true.

Disappointing to see him state that the DoD officially acknowledged the UFO subject when several groups are still hard at work trying to prove it.

Showdown at the TTSA Corral?

Grant Cameron just posted this on Facebook in response to Tom’s typical “assholiness-is-next-to-godliness” comment above.

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“I was offered a weekly radio show which I really don't want to do. Now I will do at least one episode to give Tom a chance to get this off his chest. I will sit quietly while he clears up all the major inaccuracies I have made. Then I will correct them. I am sure everyone would like the truth.

Maybe we can even address some of the questions FOIA expert John Greenewald has been trying to clear up. He has been going through Tom's public relations for three months without any success.”

"I'm not in charge!" says the interim CEO. Indeed.

That Cameron/Delonge interview sounds interesting... I wonder if it's really happening.

 

[MrBeliever]

Some movement happening over at ATS:

New York Times :

AAWSA is likely the real name of the program; a weapon development program. AATIP was allegedly a subset of it...

 

[Thomas R Morrison]

Some movement happening over at ATS:

New York Times :

Whoa. You kinda buried the lead, MrBeliever: Isaac Koi has located two of the 38+ research papers generated by the AATIP and confirmed their provenance with Dr. Eric Davis, and then uploaded them to a filesharing service for anyone to download:

Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the manipulation of extra dimensions, Richard K. Obousy and Eric W. Davis, 2010

Traversable Wormholes, Stargates, and Negative Energy, Eric W. Davis, 2010

I’ve been dying to see these and the rest of the scientific papers from the AATIP for nearly six months – thanks for sharing Isaac Koi’s post; these look fascinating. Here’s a tantalizing quote from the introduction of the first paper listed above:

The warp drive - the main focus this paper - involves local manipulation of the fabric of space in the immediate vicinity of a spacecraft. The basic idea is to create an asymmetric bubble of space that is contracting in front of the spacecraft while expanding behind it. Using this form of locomotion, the spacecraft remains stationary inside this "warp bubble," and the movement of space itself facilitates the relative motion of the spacecraft. The most attractive feature of the warp drive is that the theory of relativity places no known restrictions on the motion of space itself, thus allowing for a convenient circumvention of the speed of light barrier.

An advanced aerospace platform incorporating warp drive technology would profoundly alter the capacity to explore-and potentially to colonize-the universe. Because a warp drive is not limited by the speed of light, one can only guess the top speeds such a technology might be capable of achieving. For the sake of argument, let's consider the duration of trips taken by a spacecraft capable of 100c for an array of exotic destinations of possible interest. As Table 1 shows, trips to the planets within our own solar system would take hours rather than years, and journeys to local star system would be measured in weeks rather than hundreds of thousands of years.

Table 1. Transit Times to Various Exotic Destinations
at 100 Times the Speed of Light

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Until recently, the warp drive was a concept reserved for science fiction. However, a 1994 paper by Miguel Alcubierre placed the idea on a more solid theoretical footing. Alcubierre (Reference 1) demonstrated that a specific Lorentzian manifold could be chosen that exhibited bubble-like features reminiscent of the warp drive from the popular Star Trek television series. The bubble allowed for the surrounding spacetime to move at FTL speeds, and the inhabitants of the bubble would feel no acceleration effects because spacetime itself would be in motion instead of the spacecraft and its inhabitants.

A number of papers have emerged in recent years that build on this original idea. However, these papers do not typically address how one might actually create the necessary spacetime bubble. Our own research directly addresses this question from a new and unique perspective and introduces a novel paradigm shift in the field of warp drive study (Reference 2). More formally, our work approaches the physics of warp drive from the perspective of quantum field theory; this diverges from the more traditional approach to warp drives, which utilizes the physics of general relativity. One of the improvements the model introduces is a dramatic reduction in the overall energy required to create such a phenomenon.

The road map to this new idea was the observation that spacetime is currently known to be in a state of accelerated expansion, as demonstrated by the redshifting of galaxies, and the belief that if the mechanism for this expansion could be understood, then it might ultimately be controlled. A popular term used by cosmologists today is "dark energy," an exotic and ubiquitous form of energy that is believed to constitute over 70 percent of the matter-energy content of the universe (Reference 3-6). One salient feature of dark energy is its intrinsic ability to generate negative pressure, causing the fabric of space to expand in the way that is currently observed (Reference 7).

 

[DROBNJAK]

Here it is, as promised:

The 1973 Coyne/Mansfield helicopter UFO incident finally explained

It ended up being long and pretty detailed, so I decided to start a blog for it and other materials.

I'll push that explanation elsewhere as well, so here's your chance to be among the first to see and give feedback of what I believe is the end of an almost 45 year old mystery.

I got somewhat tired of writing already, so I didn't bother to write down every detail I could have, and didn't spend much time on styling or editing. But I think the important stuff is there and you are free to challenge me if you can.

Very good one and almost perfect match. Obviously, it depends on many coincidences so it is as likely as UFO version. Refueling at 500ft, over hilly terrain, in the middle of pitch black night, without radio contact. Tanker pilot would be dishonorably discharged to try something like that. Plus, helicopter would be able to tell the difference between aircraft's wings, with two engines and the main fuselage.

Only thing missing is flight number. Flight of that tanker must had been recorded in some log book on some of nearby airports?

 

[Realm]

Refueling at 500ft, over hilly terrain

Seems like I need to make this clear in the blog as people seem to miss it. No, it didn't happen at 500ft. The helicopter was flying at its normal cruising altitude of 2500ft when the plane approached, higher than that. It was close to the moment they met that Coyne took the helicopter down to 1700ft, and the tanker stayed higher. Those are normal refueling altitudes.

in the middle of pitch black night, without radio contact.

Which is something they do and practice and have procedures for, since they refuel on enemy territory and need to do that with minimum visual or radio emissions as well.

Plus, helicopter would be able to tell the difference between aircraft's wings, with two engines and the main fuselage.

Nope, since it only had navigation lights at the wingtips and one refueling pod light lit. The only thing Coyne saw in detail were those lights and how they reflected from the wing surfaces for some distance. Jezzi on the other front seat couldn't see its body at all.

Only thing missing is flight number. Flight of that tanker must had been recorded in some log book on some of nearby airports?

Probably, but after 44+ years, who knows if those records still exist. It would require at least one FOIA to some right target and then at least months of waiting.

 

[Realm]

Some movement happening over at ATS:

New York Times :

AAWSA is likely the real name of the program; a weapon development program. AATIP was allegedly a subset of it...

Which would explain why there doesn't seem to be any evidence of proper investigations done by the AATIP and why Davis seems to have written papers that have little relevance for their blurry videos. It may have been just a speculative sub-program of an already speculative program, with even less significance than I have thought.

 

[MrBeliever]

Yeah, these papers don't ever venture beyond wikipedia-level knowledge. And you'll notice that just 2 of them have been "accidentally" released. That means the door is now open to speculation on what the other 36 reports could contain. Does at least 1 of them contain UFO/alien-derived science? Maybe, maybe not. I have a feeling we won't know for a while!

Also, as soon as someone finds out the new acronym, Eric Davis starts yapping and confirms AAWSA was the program he worked all along. Has anyone asked him to comment on why that acronym has never been used until now? Who ordered program participants to hide the bigger program?

And why is it suddenly okay to talk about it? Either it's classified, and it's not okay to talk about, or it's unclassified, and they could have talked about it already. Since the name shows up in unclassified documents, they had to know we would reach this point. We may have evidence of a pretty significant lie of omission here.

The timing is also interesting. They could very well have given the AATIP name as part of a concerted effort with the DoD to control the initial slew of FOIA requests. And if this is intentional, it may mean we're going to be seeing FOIA responses with results attached. But how long will that take?

 

[Realm]

Yeah, these papers don't ever venture beyond wikipedia-level knowledge.

Why do they keep ordering those papers from Davis? Here's his earlier infamous teleportation paper from 2004 (in which he for example recommends spending millions on remote viewing nonsense):

https://fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf

Is that work somehow connected to that AAWSA(P)?

Here's another of his 2004 papers with that same contract number F04611-99-C-0025:

http://alnaspaceprogram.org/papers/advanced propulsion study.pdf

Google gives several other results with that as well.

Also, as soon as someone finds out the new acronym, Eric Davis starts yapping and confirms AAWSA was the program he worked all along. Has anyone asked him to comment on why that acronym has never been used until now? Who ordered program participants to hide the bigger program?

Apparently those names have been used somewhat interchangeably, which would explain why Davis has talked about his AAWSA papers as AATIP papers:

What I gather is that the AATIP desk was a major part of the overall AAWSAP effort. Also, the term AATIP was developed over time, and may have been tacked on to, or into, AAWSAP. AATIP was a looser title for internal usage, and it continued in other channels while the overall AAWSAP appears to have ended.

UFOs - Documenting The Evidence

The timing is also interesting. They could very well have given the AATIP name as part of a concerted effort with the DoD to control the initial slew of FOIA requests. And if this is intentional, it may mean we're going to be seeing FOIA responses with results attached. But how long will that take?

Long, it seems. The FOIA queue is now filled with requests having the wrong name:

All this makes things rather difficult. If so many FOI requests have stipulated that AATIP is the target, and no one has mentioned, except me and Roger, the AAWSAP angle, its going to be a slow year.

Dunno if someone wanted it to go like this, but that seems to be the reality now.