How Silly is Climate Change Denial?

[pixelsmith]

Sorry the Ipcc is not a credible scientific body.


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[pixelsmith]

Sorry, dicaprio is a paid actor.


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[manxman]

Well you win, im totally convinced, mr de caprio is so so convincing.

Im sure he would win an oscar if he ever gets to play the part of a scientist, he will be that good, maybe Al could get him a gig in Global Warming 2 the movie.

[another movie where he will go down with the ship, after flicking the pesky chinese polluters several devastating cheeky grins]

 

[manxman]

Wont somebody !please! think about the children.

 

[pixelsmith]

It is hard to believe we have seemingly intelligent people here who instead of actual observed data recorded by real scientists prefer to use failed computer models programmed by government paid scientists who get their funding by coming up with preconceived warming outputs. These paid for scientists admitted in their emails to manipulating data, removing historical data like the medieval warm period and little ice age, fudging data to be input into models, squandering funds, controlling the peer review process, ignoring FOIA requests, etc etc etc.. And now Tyger BS, Maudib etc, cite as their sources, dumb ass hypocritical actors, politicians and the non scientific body of intergovernmental crooks led by a corrupt economist/retired railroad engineer/soft porn writer.

 

[pixelsmith]

Looks like the additional CO2 is causing horrible record crop harvests this year.. run away!!!
2014 Sees Record Harvests Worldwide…Demolishing Gloomy Myth Global Warming Would Lead To Acute Crop Failures

 

[Erno86]

A few quotes from: NYT's INTERNATIONAL Monday, November 3, 2014, U.N. Panel Issues Its Starkest Warning Yet On Global Warming, by Justin Gillis
"Copenhagen --- The gathering risks of climate change are so profound that they could stall or even reverse generations of progress against poverty and hunger if greenhouse emissions continue at a runaway pace, according to a major new United Nations report.
Failure to reduce emissions, the group of scientists and other experts found, could threaten society with food shortages, refugee crises, the flooding of major cities and entire island nations, mass extinction of plants and animals, and a climate so drastically altered it might become dangerous for people to work or play outside during the hottest times of the year.
'Continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems,' the report found.

'Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, in changes in the global water cycle, in reductions in snow and ice, and in global sea-level rise; and it is extremely likely to have been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.' the report said.

A core finding of the new report is that climate change is no longer a distant threat, but is being felt all over the world. 'It's here and now.' Rajendra K. Pachauri, the chairman of the panel, said in an interview. 'It's not something in the future.'
The group cited mass die-offs of forests, such as those killed by heat-loving beetles in the American West; the melting of land ice virtually everywhere in the world; an accelerating rise of the seas that is leading to increased coastal flooding; and heat waves that have devastated crops and killed tens of thousands of people.

The report contained the group's most explicit warning yet about the food supply, saying that climate change had already become a small drag on overall global production, and could become a far larger one if emissions continued unchecked."

 

[pixelsmith]

Climate change happens with or without humans.
Further warming? It hasn't warmed in 18 years. Lol


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[Tyger]

Helena Norberg-Hodge gives a good overview critique of certain aspects of Capitalism.

Stark Warnings From The UN on Climate Change

TEXT: "Published on Nov 7, 2014 Helena Norberg-Hodge, The Economics of Happiness / International Society for Ecology & Culture (ISEC) joins Thom Hartmann."


Related - some interesting ideas.

The New Environmentalism Movement

TEXT: "Published on Oct 31, 2014 James Gustave 'Gus' Speth, Angels By the River / Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) / World Resources Institute, joins Thom Hartmann. This week - Floridians made it pretty clear that they're fed up with Rick Scott and his refusal to invest in clean and green energy. What's the status of the environmental movement in America - and what can be done to grow it?"

 

[Tyger]

Helena Norberg-Hodge tells a strong story. The future is being born around us. New thoughts - new ways of approaching how we are. Localization has always been how I have seen it, too.

TEDxEQCHCH - Helena Norberg-Hodge - The Economics of Happiness

TEXT: "Uploaded on Jun 30, 2011 Part of the process of re-imaging Christchurch is taking a look at our place in the world, and in particular the rapid cultural shifts we've seen in the short existence of the city that urbanisation and the shift in economics have driven. One presenter who can help inform us about these issues is Helena Norberg-Hodge.

"Helena Norberg-Hodge is the founder and director of the International Society for Ecology and Culture (ISEC) and its predecessor, the Ladakh Project. She is the author of Ancient Futures: Learning from Ladakh and co-author of Bringing the Food Economy Home. Her articles have appeared in numerous journals such as The Ecologist, Resurgence, and YES! magazine. Norberg- Hodge's ground-breaking work in the Himalayan region of Ladakh is internationally recognized, and earned her the Right Livelihood Award.

"A particular focus of Norberg-Hodge's is the impact of the global economy on culture and agriculture and in particular the root causes of our social and environmental crises.

"She is on the International Commission on the Future of Food and Agriculture, launched with the support of the government of Tuscany. She is also a member of the editorial board of The Ecologist magazine and a co-founder of the International Forum on Globalisation and the Global Eco-village Network."

 

[Tyger]

NOTE: I've lost my text that was the preamble to the following video but I hope to re-write it (or retrieve it from some kindly someone out there) in the next 24 hours. Anyone who has lost text knows my current heartache.

What are the economics of happiness?

TEXT: "Published on Apr 5, 2012 Helena Norberg-Hodge, producer "The Economics of Happiness," joins Thom Hartmann. This week - the United Nations is hosting a major conference on...happiness. That's right - with the world obsessed with wealth, austerity, and debt-to-GDP levels - the United Nations is taking a step back to figure out what makes people in some nations way happier than people in other nations. The conference is hosted by the Kingdom of Bhutan - a small country in the Himalayan Mountains. Bhutan is one of the poorest nations in the world - yet - it's the happiest nation in Asia - and one of the happiest in the world. So what does Bhutan know that the rest of us don't? Well - that's what the United Nations wants to find out. On last night's show - we talked a little bit about this topic by dissecting the nation of Denmark - which routinely tops the list of happiest nations on the planet. So what else can we learn about how to be a happier nation?"

 

[Tyger]

When he gets into the sex analogy, you'll be on the floor. It's funny.

Bill Maher lays waste to Global Warming deniers

Is Global Warming FAKE ? (Neil Degrasse Tyson vs Bob Lutz)

 

[manxman]

What do you think churning out 5 or 6 year old videos one after the other will achieve, they were wrong then and still are.
WE already know you are fully brainwashed, fully indoctrinated.
Not only do you wear your gullibility with pride, you flaunt it, man in a decades time you will look back at this AL-mania shit and squirm with embarrassment.

 

[manxman]

And just to clear things up about the climate debate, people like yourself tyger, are still classed as radicals in your own country.
You may whine here long and loud in a small online community, the tuth is the vast majority of americans dont care, THEY unlike you rabbid warmers just dont give shit, thats REALITY, they dont give a shit.

Theres only a loud minority of students/tree huggers and the gullible young really emotionally invested in this, anyone over 40 in the climate game, is in it for the money



The latest news, analysis and election results for the 2014 midterm campaign.

ut Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said that while debate moderators and editorial boards may continue to press the climate change question, the issue does not resonate with voters. He pointed to a Pew Research Center poll showing that Americans rank climate change near the bottom of policy concerns.
“It is very difficult to find an issue that voters place lower on the list than climate change,” Mr. Ayres said. “It vies with gay marriage and campaign finance reform as the least important issue. Most voters care about jobs, economic growth, health care and immigration.”



Most voters care about jobs, economic growth, health care and immigration


That will be about the same worldwide for voters, and interest will be near non-existent in Countries that dont vote, or where the vote is meaningless like in China or Russia.

Its a political hot potato, politicans in general, do not like nailing their flags to a particular pole, especially one thats so easily chopped down, theres more votes in the over 30s, theres more taxable income in the over 30s, theres more IQ in the over 30s, and most importantly theres a huge gap in real life experience of politics and the human condition in the over 30s.

Theres a reason why all these protests you see on tv from around the world, are nearly always students and the unwashed protesting against capitalism or whatever else they feel us over 30s are depriving them off.



Bare facts

We add 3% of all carbon to the natural cycle with our activities, thru our use of fossil fuels and deforestation.

The amount of frozen water on the planet stays constant from decade to decade, it takes millenia for significant deviations, it doesnt matter were its frozen, just as long as it is frozen sea levels stay virtually the same, ice is heavy on land or in/on seawater.

For centuries to come there will be localised flooding, localised freezing, localised drought, just like the centuries that have just passed, only this time around man will have a slight effect on some localised weather patterns, thru pollution, certainly not Co2.

 

[Jeff Davis]

This is what happens when we mix belief systems with science. This whole thing is exactly like UFOs = ETs from Outer Space. It's just totally unsubstantiated time era relevant mythology taken to idealistic extremes via mass communications. This in turn results in the erection of *think tank funded pseudo structured dogmatic schools of blind faith belief that are USED to preserve what are factional edifices that only serve to further inspire and perpetuate routine religious ideal driven divisiveness. All to a manipulative, thoroughly occult, ends for which the responsible masses remain clueless.

* (read:high profile talking heads - further read: Deacons of the new church)

 

[Tyger]

And just to clear things up about the climate debate, people like yourself tyger, are still classed as radicals in your own country.

Far from it. Civic authorities, that are perforce conservative in how they approach issues, are factoring in raised coastlines in their civic planning - as well as the changed climate for water and food resources. In LA there has been an active campaign (via billboards in one instance) to educate people to neighborhood planning groups for times of disaster and/or scarcity. (LA does live on major fault lines. We are all well aware that The Big One may happen at any time).

You may whine here long and loud in a small online community, the tuth is the vast majority of americans dont care, THEY unlike you rabbid warmers just dont give shit, thats REALITY, they dont give a shit.

I think that is your belief - and it appears to be a very strong belief. It is for sure not my day-in-day-out experience. Climate Change is referenced casually as an accepted explanation for the considerable changes we are experiencing daily.

P.S. You are a disappointment, Manxman. 'Whine'? I would suggest that if information about the changing aspect of our world upsets or confuses you, don't read the thread. Fact is, changes are a-foot in countless ways. It's not going to be the doomsday scenario that survivalists are preparing for with all their guns and ammo, because of precisely this kind of forethought being engaged by so many - even governments, like Germany, in fact. As Jonathan Haidt said of force: "The most powerful force ever known on this planet is human cooperation - a force for construction and destruction." I am choosing to be on the side of construction as are many.

Theres only a loud minority of students/tree huggers and the gullible young really emotionally invested in this, anyone over 40 in the climate game, is in it for the money.

Another out-of-thin-air belief. Just isn't the way it is.

The latest news, analysis and election results for the 2014 midterm campaign.

Maybe this then should be a lesson to us all - polls don't always tell the whole story. Unfortunately, poor voter turn-out in the mid-term elections is the norm in the US. We get what we don't vote for. In California only 25% voted - but Brown and all Dems got in.

Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said that while debate moderators and editorial boards may continue to press the climate change question, the issue does not resonate with voters. He pointed to a Pew Research Center poll showing that Americans rank climate change near the bottom of policy concerns. “It is very difficult to find an issue that voters place lower on the list than climate change,” Mr. Ayres said. “It vies with gay marriage and campaign finance reform as the least important issue. Most voters care about jobs, economic growth, health care and immigration.”

Whit Ayres is a Republican pollster - 'nuf said right there.

The rest of what you write is the same'ol'same'ol. You never fold in the facts to inform your opinion. It's mainly a rant. Good luck with all that. Just be aware that you will be living in a much better world because of all the work being done. It's the same with the 2000 computer glitch - hundreds of thousands worked on that and when there was no problem some decided to claim it was never a problem, forgetting that it was a glitch that was massively worked on to be corrected.

 

[Tyger]

Excellent, exciting new book - one of Amazon Editors' Favorite Books of the Year. I see this all around me. Sometimes people watch the movies coming out of Hollywood, or television shows showing crime and vampires and the walking dead, and start to think that is really the world out there. Apocalyptic visions - while sobering morality tales - don't begin to tell the half of the human spirit's creative ability to survive in community (the norm btw not the exception). Folk listen to the news and get scared, hear the facts and conjure up a conspiracy, endlessly placing themselves in the victim role, the disempowered position. While a lot of crazy stuff is happening, simultaneously really great stuff is a-foot: a new world is being forged through necessity, and it's not a world of competition and cut-throat survival with Mexican stand-offs with those with the most ammo and guns. Quite the reverse.

LINK: The Anthropocene: The Human Era and How It Shapes Our Planet Hardcover – November 5, 2014
by Christian Schwägerl (Author)

TEXT: "In The Anthropocene, environmental journalist Christian Schwägerl investigates our current ecological circumstances, and discovers something hopeful: that we already possess the scientific, philosophical, spiritual and governmental tools needed to correct our current trajectory toward a positive and sustainable future. According to Schwägerl, “The Anthropocene is more than the sum of the parts of environmental havoc. It can be the arena in which humanity decides to wisely integrate into the planet’s workings, enriching itself by its actions as a result. Smart cities, cultivated life-forms and landscapes with a human-induced biodiversity, are examples of how we can create a positive geological record. Human creativity, community spirit and conscious thought can lead to changes that might make our species look back at current behavior as sheer ecological barbarism. We can go from today’s crises to an enlightened planet.” Drawing on his own experiences and research as a journalist with rigorous scientific training, Schwägerl offers readers the means to envision and create realistic solutions to our current ecological crises. He shares a planetary vision of an attainable world that balances ecological sustainability, economic prosperity, political justice and cultural vibrancy."

 

[manxman]

All that is laugh out loud typical of the maintream American warmist bullshit you get rammed down your throats everyday.

It just doesnt happen anywhere else, sure the ipcc get some coverage on slow news days, but make no mistake about this, GW/CC are American Politically driven agendi.
You yanks live in YOUR own little bubble of existence.




“New York Times” columnist Thomas Friedman took a nasty swipe at conservatives over the subject of climate change on Sunday April 6. Friedman appeared alongside Heidi Cullen of Climate Central on Sunday’s CBS This Morning and proceeded to mock conservatives who question human-caused climate change.

Speaking to host Bob Schieffer, Friedman claimed that 97 percent of scientists believe in climate change and “conservatives are saying I’m going go to with the 3%. That’s not conservative, that’s Trotskyite radicalism.”


Lets see where the 97% quote comes from.



“The number stems from a 2009 online survey of 10,257 earth scientists, conducted by TWO [2] researchers at the University of Illinois,” he wrote in a 2010 article. “The survey results deeply disappointed the researchers – in the end, they chose to highlight the views of a subgroup of just 77 scientists, 75 of whom thought humans contributed to climate change. The ratio 75/77 produces the 97 percent figure that pundits now tout.”

To spend tens of trillions of dollars to ‘fix’ something we don't understand is insanity.”

 

[Tyger]

Manxman, I've long since stopped paying attention to the substance of your posts, I'm sorry to say, when it became clear you were on a rant and getting a bit personal/nasty with my on-line persona. Who needs that kind of stuff? You may think you have 'won' because no one posts here, but that's far from the case. Posters are just staying away because of the abusive nature of the dialog.

I get it. Post after post you say pretty much the same thing, and roll out the same catch phrases. I'm not here to change you. Okay? You can safely proceed in your pov without bother from me. I've asked you innumerable questions and you haven't bothered to answer one. I've posted links and asked you to verify the information - nothing. I don't think you're reading/watching the links, even when I supply the text within the body of a post.

Billions of dollars are subsidizing the status quo. The true cost of using coal, for example, is billions in tax subsidies across decades. Shifting the monopoly - and cleaning up the environment into the bargain on many levels - is far from 'insanity'. Using solar btw is causing so much extra feedback into the system that we're now getting charged, in certain places, for giving back electricity - even being required to pay for the status quo when we are not using it. (So much for capitalism determining a free market: "The existing grid is not ready for a future that includes more wind and solar power. That's because keeping a grid running is a delicate balancing act — to avoid outages, the amount of power you put in must equal the amount taken out."). This is pure and simple a monopoly - and an aging system - fighting for it's continued existence, at the expense of tax payer dollars and consumer subsidies. That is insanity! (I do realize that we are talking about a public utility and a shift to a 'smart system' will cost money just as the setting up the current electrical grid cost the government money.)

P.S. In the US the electrical grid is aging. It was achieved nationwide in the 1930's via the US government paying consumers to hook up to the grid. In many respects we are at a crossroads ready to shift into a new set-up, but we have considerable drag from the vested interests - per usual.

 

[manxman]

Aye righto, abusive posting, care to quote any ?.

Again you wave your hands wildly and dance the dance, nothing more, and then more political green motivated shtick.

Maybe you think your little off piste rants, nay attacks, hissie fits, toys out of pram momments may have the same effect on me as your bullying had on Constance, it wont.
Are you gong to hide out for a week now as you did when you realised you went to far with her, was that little ''moment'' above your resignation ?.


Now back on topic.
Tell me why Ameria has cooled every decade since 1930, every decade following 1930 has been cooler on average than the preceding decade.

Is that global warming or climate change ?,come on, dont tell me about fossil fuel subsisidies parroting some talking head, tell why America is cooler NOW than it was in 1930.