Thanks, Bud. No need for military ceremony tho!
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See, that's what I mean. I'm not sure if I would have ever made the "WS/Castenada" connection or correlation. Thanks again, and yeah, I didn't really mean the military atta boy; simply trying to say that your thinking/research/ideas are, to me,brilliant.Oh, one thing I forgot to mention: Strieber described himself in this interview as a trickster, in a very deep way, a coyote. This is probably a key. Castaneda described himself the same way, as a coyote. I wonder if it's newagespeak for mendicant?
Castaneda, while a unique historical figure, was also more than a bit cultish in terms of his relationships with his devotees. That part of his life is highly problematic. Strieber as the begging meditator by the side of the road? I don't think so. These are choices made in terms of what he chooses to publicize and explore publically. Trickster figure? Also, too much credit there. If anything, the trickster perhaps once interacted with him which sparked the journey that he began in Communion. And given that a strong career as a horror author was pitched into another direction for the sake of his narration of the visitors one may feel that in fact something very real, from his "perspective" happened to him that created this otherworldly experience.Oh, one thing I forgot to mention: Strieber described himself in this interview as a trickster, in a very deep way, a coyote. This is probably a key. Castaneda described himself the same way, as a coyote. I wonder if it's newagespeak for mendicant?
Speaking personally, the appeal of both Strieber and Castaneda was more or less identical: both describe, in nonfictional terms, encounters with beings of immense power, knowledge, and wisdom and the transformative effects they have on the author's lives, which become magical and filled with mystery, wonder, danger, and excitement. Both suggest it is possible to have a mediated (i.e., personal) relationship with the divine or transpersonal forces of existence. In Strieber's case, these divine intermediaries were initially nonhuman, hence even more amazing and exciting to encounter, but with The Key he met/created his own "Don Juan," another perfect father/god figure whose blessing he received. The appeal of these kinds of accounts is ancient but also infantile (literally): it is the stuff of myths and dreams and children's phantasies.What actually is the appeal of Whitley and what is his message as that was not clear at all from this podcast, outside of the singular claim that we have souls?
Many good points raised in your post; all very accurately reasoned as well. Re: Perception Management - this returns us to a core thread running throughout Ufology, and how those perpetuating belief/disbelief systems use things like UFO's for personal gain and ulterior objectives.As for the trickster-designation being too much credit to Strieber: it was he who self-identified this way, as did Castaneda (tho Castaneda meant it almost literally, in that his "ally" ~ inorganic spirit guide ~ appeared in the form of a coyote; I also agree CC's cult was a more actual, manifest phenomenon, where Strieber's is largely online). Archetypally speaking, the trickster is Hermes or Mercury, god of thieves, liars, and writers. CC claimed that his books were forms of sorcery, which he defined as handling awareness (also known as perception management). WS seems to be in the same business, and his methods clearly include trickery and deception, with the supposed aim of illumination.
I guess I see what you mean about soft-sell insofar as WS isn't peddling spiritual practices like Tensegrity (though he has done meditation groups, I believe with some promise of contact involved); yet it's hard to imagine anyone with a more hard-sell personal style than Strieber.All religions are about perception management and are interested in handling our awareness. Whitley is a fairly soft sell in his approach, as opposed to the more overt personal & public practices of Castenada. There's also the play of, "Oh, woe is me" as heard on the podcast. He seems to draw great appeal from those who want to believe in "the visitors" vs. those who are still critically questioning an unknown variable. He is claiming an answer despite his many protestations to the contrary.
Prior to the mid-21st century, there will be a virtual explosion of knowledge in the field of neuroscience. We will have achieved a clear understanding of how the human brain works, how it really controls the various functions of the body, and how it can be manipulated (both positively and negatively). One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be,
- pulsed, shaped, and focused
- that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements
- control emotions (and thus actions)
- produce sleep
- transmit suggestions
- interfere with both short-term and long-term memory
- produce an experience set
- delete an experience set
US Air Force, New World Vistas: Air and Space Power for the 21st Century – Ancillary Volume, Scientific Advisory Board (USAF), Washington, DC, Document #19960618040, 1996, pp. 89-90. EPI402ight
I think this level of speculation is technically known as "grasping at straws." Once you propose advanced nonhuman beings, it is possible to speculate pretty much anything from that point. The logical procedure, however, is to first of all see if it is possible to account for all the data without a magical explanation (advanced, nonhuman beings). I believe it is.So.....isn't it possible that the interest in the various organisations mentioned could be part of a PM program designed to soften the blow in an individual slated for abduction/contact down the line ?
An interest in these things is as far as I have read and indeed personally experienced not uncommon.
Mental vaccination so to speak
There's usually a little slider bar on the media player screen that you slide to skip past advertising. Hope that helps.Fun times. I am not familiar with this forum or the show, so I won't comment about any pretenses; but the points about Strieber seem fair to spot-on to me, and I absolutely concur about the ad time. Not that anyone is asking, but I wouldn't even consider being on a show with such a low noise-to-signal ratio.
Have you never heard that the medium is the message? To be dumbing down your audience with endless commercials while claiming to be encouraging critical thinking is about as consistent as Whitley Strieber's arguments about the visitors.
Anyway, that's a side topic. I'm glad for any opportunity at all to talk about Strieber and the memeplexes he is part of, with interested people who aren't frothing fans.
I think this level of speculation is technically known as "grasping at straws." Once you propose advanced nonhuman beings, it is possible to speculate pretty much anything from that point. The logical procedure, however, is to first of all see if it is possible to account for all the data without a magical explanation (advanced, nonhuman beings). I believe it is.
Welcome aboard, fire away Ahab! arrrrghI know this forum well, so I'm no dummy about the active members here. I'm not here to play nice, though striking at the truth in its sometimes harsh limitations is the best ..
Obviously you haven't listened to many of the shows or bothered to look up the names you didn't recognize.If you really are going to be skeptical and want to be different, then you should start interviewing new people outside of the UFO Insider Community. People that do not have the same mirrored POV's that are typically well known or controversial with same o opposing POV. It's a closed system.
COOL, I think we have a volunteer to book our guests, Gene! FINALLY! So, Honey, crack open the pot and help us bring 'em on... You don't like our guests? Book us better guests... You don't understand my thinking? Read my books. Or start yet another "podcast" and broadcast out into the void.If at least 25% to 50% of your guests can't fit these new qualifications as outsiders in the decades old established tribe of UFO experts, then you have nothing new to offer us. You're just another PR insider within the established UFO Tribe. PR Artists pretending to be the critical skeptics you can never be offering-up the same ol catalog of Ufologists.