J. Randall Murphy
That's my whole point. The "data set" for those who walk away from accidents without wearing a seatbelt and not needing medical care never gets entered into the calculations. So the math that seatbelts save more lives cannot be run. It's based entirely on an assumption. That my friend is a mathematical fact. Without the missing data set, the assertion means nothing.Lol, c'mon man, are you really asserting that seatbelts do not in fact save lives?
If so, I'd like to see that data set and logic. You're on the wrong side of reason here.
I agree for the same reasons. We're both looking at our viewpoint being one that could hypothetically save millions of lives.The thing I do get testy about however is this isn't abstract. Real people are really dying here, for reasons that are mostly stupid. And that's where it goes from being an abstract dialectic to being something that people should no longer fool around with.
If you want to be pro vaccine and encourage people to get it, that's your call. I look at it differently. I think a lot of people are perfectly "safe" without it, and that certain authorities are putting them more at risk by denying them things like, work, employment, and education.There's a time for everything, and the time for inspiring false debates about vaccinations is not now. Let's get people safe and then have that debate, especially given the math is quite clear here. Vaccines are safe by almost any definition of save. Covid is dangerous by almost any definition of dangerous.
Not a chance. I have my reasons. Not sure if you actually read them previously in the thread. My choice is to avoid both the disease and the vaccine. If we compare it to the seatbelt rationale, I'm a lone driver on a really well maintained road where accidents are very few and there's relatively little traffic, and even if I do get in an accident, the likelihood of serious injury is minimal. In fact, I'm probably at more risk of a car accident happening than getting COVID.So go get vaccinated and then let's debate getting the next flu shot or whatever.
However, if I lived in a red-zone and shared a house with two families who were all healthcare or personal care workers, I might be more inclined to put on my seatbelt. I believe people need to make choices that they feel are right for them in their individual circumstances rather than taking the shotgun approach. So in my situation, trading virtually zero risk for certain risk that ranges from minor to deadly is in my way of thinking just plain stupid.
Plus I'm probably more well informed about my reasons than anyone else you know. I'm not "anti science". I've read the clinical trials, monitored the VAERS database, watched dozens of good pro and con vids, read dozens of medical papers, and numerous everyday news articles from a variety of sources both pro and con, and I've made my personal choice based on that. Others probably make their choices on less rational grounds that you and I would agree wouldn't weigh in their favor.
But bottom line ( and I've said this before ): Even if a person's reasons make no sense, and the vaccine was the elixir of life and the cure to every disease known to mankind, it should be ( IMO ) every person's right to decide what gets injected into their bodies, not the government's, and there should be no discrimination against them for their choice. Have an opinion ( sure ). Deny them travel, work, and education? That's a whole other story.