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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
This is not tunnel vision.
If your reference to "tunnel vision" is from this post:
Then what you think I mean might be very different from what I actually think. We'd have to establish common ground there before I can tell if your view has any actual relevance to mine. What do you think the point of using the words "tunnel vision" was in my post?
It's life and death.
This is anything but a binary situation. There are lots of shades of gray, the spectrum is wide, and it is anything but uniform. The vast majority of people survive COVID-19, and according to the government here, the risk of mortality closely parallels the risk of simply dying from other causes depending largely on age. So if you weren't germaphobic before, there's really no reason to start now unless you are already in a high-risk category.
Whether the announcer was a racist or made racist remarks in other broadcasts has no bearing on the point I was making. She just happened to be an example. I imagine there are plenty more. There might even be some examples by people you like. Every ideology can use science politically, it's been going on for a long time. At some point people will want their right to make up their own mind back, and I don't blame them.
 
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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Professor Michael Lisanti of Salford University highlights the potential application of senolytic drugs in combating COVID-19, including the benefits of doxycycline and azithromycin.

 
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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Is This Just Another Crazy Conspiracy Theory or Are
CCP Agents Really Spreading COVID-19 ?



 
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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Border Patrol Stopped a Chinese Biologist Carrying Viable SARS, MERS Viruses

Chinese researcher accused of trying to smuggle vials of ‘biological material’

Chinese Agents Helped Spread Messages That Sowed Virus Panic in U.S.

A Made-in-China Pandemic

Online claims that Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from Winnipeg lab have 'no factual basis'
 
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kanakaris

Paranormal Adept
I also don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that the trouble the West ( particularly the USA ) is having stomping it out is because there are CCP agents helping to spread it
Chinese are spreading the virus in the West ?
Any shred of evidence for this ludicrous idea ?
And you think Farrell is 'on the fringe'?
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Chinese are spreading the virus in the West ?
Any shred of evidence for this ludicrous idea ?
And you think Farrell is 'on the fringe'?
To frame this correctly. This isn't my personal theory. I heard it expressed on some talk radio shows and a YouTube video [ EXAMPLE ], so I decided to see if anyone had discovered anything substantial to back it up. I found nothing indisputable. But that also doesn't mean the theory is ludicrous. You can find some of the background detailed elsewhere on this thread. Let's put them in point form:
  1. Prior to the outbreak, a virologist working at the Wuhan lab published scientific papers about making coronavirus transmissible to humans
  2. The CCP initially covered-up the COVID-19 outbreak in the vicinity of the same lab, but denied it came from the lab.
  3. At least one doctor who tried to warn people in China was "disappeared" and his evidence destroyed
  4. Then the CCP knowingly let infected passengers on international flights out of China.
  5. An exiled chinese billionaire exposed a long term plan by the CCP to destabilize the West using a variety of tactics. [ LINK ]
  6. Bioweapons attacks are not unheard of. They have been used for over 2000 years
  7. The US tested biowarfare deployment system on its own citizens [ LINK ]
  8. Chinese agents have been found operating inside the USA [ LINK ]
So now if the USA isn't above running biowarfare tests on its own citizens, how ludicrous is it really to think that another nation with the capability and agenda to destabilize the West wouldn't do it? It's not "ludicrous" at all. Combine that with an atrocious human rights record, and agents inside the USA, do you really think there's no reason to even suspect it could be going on?

Did I mention there have been arrests of scientists caught smuggling virals in on aircraft? They weren't connected to COVID-19, but apparently there's been a few other quiet arrest. We haven't been told the truth about COVID-19 from the very beginning. I wouldn't be the least but surprised to find that this "ludicrous" theory actually has some element of truth in it someplace.
 
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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
... while peddling insane conspiracy theories instead of science ...
This should probably be in the COVID-19 News section, and we can always move it there if it goes that way, but the key point in what you said for me, especially against the backdrop of COVID-19, is the word "peddling". That's because the science behind COVID-19 has become intensely politicized and is being "peddled" by politicians and medical experts alike in a manner that fits their agenda and modus operandi.

We see the same sort of distorting of science when frackers say there's no "scientific proof" fracking causes the contamination of people's water supplies. As you know, I'm a big fan of science, but I'm not a big fan of deception, and unfortunately when politics and/or big business gets involved, science and deception can be used together to push personal, business, and political agendas, and COVID-19 is no different.

With COVID-19, the situation is a very complex, but as I've been saying from the start, we haven't been told everything about it all along, and we may never know everything. There are those that would call my opinions "crazy conspiracy" theories too, especially the CCP. But it's not only them that we need to be concerned about. The science of COVID-19 does not IMO justify the sweeping social, economic, and behavioral changes made by politicians.
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Actually social distancing and wearing a mask do help a lot.
Yes they do and for those who don't care about themselves they should at least care for others.
In high risk settings I have no problem with the taking precautions, but outside high risk settings like hospitals and long-term care for the elderly, the risk of mortality from covid-19 is less than dozens of other hazards, and doesn't justify bringing in mandatory masks, vaccinations, and fining groups of people thousands of dollars for being on a picnic, and YES it has been going on, to the tune of over 15 million dollars in fines here in Canada, not to mention putting literally millions of people into a state of abject poverty, the death toll from which may exceed that of COVID-19.


Currently with 137,000 deaths blamed on COVID-19, the deaths from poverty before COVID-19 are already higher. Overall, 4.5% of U.S. deaths were found to be attributable to poverty—midway between previous estimates of 6% and 2.3%. For example, the number of deaths the researchers calculated as attributable to low education (245,000) is comparable to the number caused by heart attacks (192,898), which was the leading cause of U.S. deaths in 2000. The number of deaths attributable to racial segregation (176,000) is comparable to the number from cerebrovascular disease (167,661), the third leading cause of death in 2000, and the number attributable to low social support (162,000) compares to deaths from lung cancer (155,521).


But it doesn't end there. The majority of those who die from COVID-19 are in high risk categories and COVID-19 just put them over the edge. Their life expectancy according to stats released here in Alberta is barely any different than had they not got COVID-19, and overall, the effect of COVID-19 on the life expectancy of the average person is not distinguishable from the figures before COVID-19. Yet business are going under, education is suffering, and people are serious suffering psychologically from the isolation and fear.

"In a legislature debate on the pandemic Wednesday, Premier Jason Kenney stressed that the disease has a low mortality rate among young people, and a high rate for those over 80.​
'The average age of death from COVID in Alberta is 83, and I’ll remind the house that the average life expectancy in the province is 82. I’m not sure what to make of that, but it suggests that if you make it to 83 before dying of COVID-19 you’ve already beaten the odds, so, congratulations.' he said."​

People need to get on with their lives and society needs to return to normal. Humans have been battling diseases for millions of years of evolution and COVID-19 itself isn't even going to come close to the scale of damage as the fear and political decisions. COVID-19 is now germophobia on a mass scale enforced by police. It needs to be put back into perspective with the bigger picture.
 
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Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
In high risk settings I have no problem with the taking precautions, but outside high risk settings like hospitals and long-term care for the elderly, the risk of mortality from covid-19 is less than dozens of other hazards, and doesn't justify bringing in mandatory masks, vaccinations, and fining groups of people thousands of dollars for being on a picnic, and YES it has been going on, to the tune of over 15 million dollars in fines here in Canada, not to mention putting literally millions of people into a state of abject poverty, the death toll from which may exceed that of COVID-19.
I think the governor of Texas, after his earlier lackadaisical attitude early on, now has it right. If a city has over a certain amount of positives, the mask and social distancing guidelines are mandated. Otherwise they aren't.

Had other governors observed these simple requirements, we'd be well past the worst of it now, as they are in Europe. Remember that the U.S. right now is number one in the world in terms of infections and deaths, about a quarter of the total, although population is only a little over 4%.

It's just a matter of perspective. Simple steps reduce infections and deaths, so why not follow them?

In saying that, it appears quite likely there will be one or more vaccines available to control coronavirus early in 2021.
 

Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
One more thing: I'm not getting into the argument about China and what its plans are, except for this.

China wants to be thought of as the hero in this crisis. They continue to support the WHO, while the U.S. is pulling out. China doesn't want you to die. They want you to buy products built in China, which means employment for hundreds of millions of their people. Geely, the China-based owner of Volvo, wants you to buy a new Volvo. Why allow people to die when they can be made to feel warm and fuzzy with China and do business with them? It's just business, and China is absolutely ruthless about it.
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
It's just a matter of perspective. Simple steps reduce infections and deaths, so why not follow them?
Exactly. It's just a matter of perspective. I was listening to the radio the other day when someone who had done the math suggested that had the amount of financial loss due to the lockdowns been used to solve the problems of poverty, education, and medical care; not only could those problems have been solved, more lives would be saved, and the quality of life for the nation as a whole would have been improved.

Of course making that happen in the absence of a crisis isn't as simple as reacting to a crisis by putting on a mask, physical distancing, restricting human rights, and fining people. So now we're stuck with the "simple" approach, and it's driving people into poverty, overloading the lousy US healthcare system, compromising education, and increasing the likelihood of even greater mortality from those causes.

Let's also not forget that prior to COVID-19, precautions against transmission of infections in general were already in place for high-risk locations like hospitals, long-term care units, and old-folks homes. So I'm not saying we should stop those. I'm saying the same thing I always have. Put some extra focus on the high-risk population, and let the rest of the world carry-on.

Many people get COVID-19 and the symptoms are so mild they don't even know they have it. It's less of a threat than a number of other causes of mortality I've posted the stats for already, none of which led to the sweeping fear, economic collapse, and social control we see now. Personally, I respect physical distancing and wear a mask when attending some appointments, but part of me is getting really fed-up with the enforced germaphobia.
 
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marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
This should probably be in the COVID-19 News section, and we can always move it there if it goes that way, but the key point in what you said for me, especially against the backdrop of COVID-19, is the word "peddling". That's because the science behind COVID-19 has become intensely politicized and is being "peddled" by politicians and medical experts alike in a manner that fits their agenda and modus operandi.

We see the same sort of distorting of science when frackers say there's no "scientific proof" fracking causes the contamination of people's water supplies. As you know, I'm a big fan of science, but I'm not a big fan of deception, and unfortunately when politics and/or big business gets involved, science and deception can be used together to push personal, business, and political agendas, and COVID-19 is no different.

With COVID-19, the situation is a very complex, but as I've been saying from the start, we haven't been told everything about it all along, and we may never know everything. There are those that would call my opinions "crazy conspiracy" theories too, especially the CCP. But it's not only them that we need to be concerned about. The science of COVID-19 does not IMO justify the sweeping social, economic, and behavioral changes made by politicians.
I think it's entirely one thing to be interested in alternative ideas as a spectator; it's how new things come to light and new ideas are made. I think it's entirely another when someone is in a position of authority and is picking and choosing the conspiracies they want to be believed when it's convenient - and when people's lives are on the line.

Nazi UFOs are fun conspiracies. Covid being made up is not fun.

 


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