Wikileaks and UFOs

[Decker]

The paranoia and hippie bullshit is gettin' pretty thick in here.

I agree Wickerman. Also, as a former United States Army NCO I don't buy that BS about U.S. Troops throwing puppies off a bridge or beating children. Especially in today's political climate .. those troops would be court-martialed. Where did you claim to see this clip? Americans love dogs, I would sooner believe that they threw insurgents off a bridge than dogs. All I could say at this point .. unless you provide the clip in question ... is horseshit.

Decker

 

[Kieran]

I agree 100 percent. Our country is headed for some really bad shit and I think its too late to do anything about it.

The released Wikileaks cables have given many outsiders real insight into how it really is! Here is a recent one from Australia, were the government there believes Iran is not a rogue state, and Iranian Nuclear ambition is for deterrence only not attack. I bet you Fox News watchers never got to see that snippet of information, so an important friend of the United States, does not agree Iran is a threat. This just another sign of who the real threat is, not Iran, but America and it's friend Israel. I feel sorry for Israel, because they have enemies in that region, there can be no disputing that, but Israel should work to create peace with everyone or it will forever be in danger of being destroyed.

I no people will say Bullshit America is anything like Nazi Germany, well your blind, personally I see lot of similar things going on, but like you said, probably too late now anyway to fix it, and see America after all are the big boy on the block. Just like the Nazi regime who build up a vast military industrial complex, but lost it all, well the United States have there vast military industrial complex, but their enemies are less well-equipped to deal with now! Sorry Wickerman, paranoia does not inflict damage on other places and people, maybe you need to get a reality check friend on this issue? The lack of paranoia is the reason we find ourselfs in this mess, one example look what happened in 2008 on Wall street, it was called paranoia when people suggested this all well come come crashing down like a deck of cards!

Here is the link to the article
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BC07U20101213

 

[Wickerman1972]

The released Wikileaks cables have given many outsiders real insight into how it really is! Here is a recent one from Australia, were the government there believes Iran is not a rogue state, and Iranian Nuclear ambition is for deterrence only not attack. I bet you Fox News watchers never got to see that snippet of information, so an important friend of the United States, does not agree Iran is a threat. This just another sign of who the real threat is, not Iran, but America and it's friend Israel. I feel sorry for Israel, because they have enemies in that region, there can be no disputing that, but Israel should work to create peace with everyone or it will forever be in danger of being destroyed.

I no people will say Bullshit America is anything like Nazi Germany, well your blind, personally I see lot of similar things going on, but like you said, probably too late now anyway to fix it, and see America after all are the big boy on the block. Just like the Nazi regime who build up a vast military industrial complex, but lost it all, well the United States have there vast military industrial complex, but their enemies are less well-equipped to deal with now! Sorry Wickerman, paranoia does not inflict damage on other places and people, maybe you need to get a reality check friend on this issue? The lack of paranoia is the reason we find ourselfs in this mess, one example look what happened in 2008 on Wall street, it was called paranoia when people suggested this all well come come crashing down like a deck of cards!

Here is the link to the article
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BC07U20101213

Lol, this is why I love the net. I never get to hear crap like this in my day to day life. Don't step down from your soapbox. This is better than a George Carlin concert.

 

[Kieran]

I agree Wickerman. Also, as a former United States Army NCO I don't buy that BS about U.S. Troops throwing puppies off a bridge or beating children. Especially in today's political climate .. those troops would be court-martialed. Where did you claim to see this clip? Americans love dogs, I would sooner believe that they threw insurgents off a bridge than dogs. All I could say at this point .. unless you provide the clip in question ... is horseshit.

Decker

I believe a member who supports my position posted that, but you should really hold to account servicemen who attack unarmed civilians, when there is no weapons present before the attack. 'War enemy attacks you of course you have to defend yourself, but tell me, what did that passerby ever do wrong. There is a video (the Wikileaks documentary) were a passing Iraqi man, who was just a 'ordinary civilian' he was going pass a building, that was going to be blown up by an American helicopter, instead of waiting a few minutes for him to pass, they just fired and ended his life. Explain to me why America has covered up tens of thousands of deaths of Iraqi civilians from ever being told normally by the media. This not a lie claimed by a foreign power Don, these were American documents, drawn by your side, and were confirming these deaths for the most part, as actions that were not combat related, and that only came to light Don because of the Wikileaks leak!

Don imagine this was an America city this happened to and a foreign power done that to ye, how pissed would you be! Well Don, if you think it is ok to kill tens of thousands of civilians, just because your pissed of that similar looking people done 9/11 that is just wrong, and maybe your not thinking that, some of those who support this war have that feeling that is fairly obvious. I not saying war is not tough and grueling and messy, but you have a responsibility to protect the person that is unarmed.Don. The videos shown show a real lack of respect for people, who America claims they have come to help and give freedom to! I don't understand this hippy crap, when you kill someone that is unarmed doing nothing wrong minding there own business, how is that suddenly hippy shit!

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Lol, this is why I love the net. I never get to hear crap like this in my day to day life. Don't step down from your soapbox. This is better than a George Carlin concert.

You go on being blind no problem. I'm not alone voice thank god there is some sane people left in the world still! I not going to the level of shouting match with you, I'm just expressing opinions based on facts, that you just can't deal with.

 

[jtaylor]

I agree Wickerman. Also, as a former United States Army NCO I don't buy that BS about U.S. Troops throwing puppies off a bridge or beating children. Especially in today's political climate .. those troops would be court-martialed. Where did you claim to see this clip? Americans love dogs, I would sooner believe that they threw insurgents off a bridge than dogs. All I could say at this point .. unless you provide the clip in question ... is horseshit.

Decker

I am sorry Mr Decker, its not bullshit. I refuse to post the video because it makes me want to vomit. Just go to Youtube and search for"soldier throwing puppy". Like I said, not all troops are dicks. I have never been in the military but Im sure there is a ton of stress and like I said I support our troops and I do agree those asswipes should be courtmartialed.

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I decided to go ahead and post the video from youtube.

 

[Wickerman1972]

I believe a member who supports my position posted that, but you should really hold to account servicemen who attack unarmed civilians, when there is no weapons present before the attack. 'War enemy attacks you of course you have to defend yourself, but tell me, what did that passerby ever do wrong. There is a video (the Wikileaks documentary) were a passing Iraqi man, who was just a 'ordinary civilian' he was going pass a building, that was going to be blown up by an American helicopter, instead of waiting a few minutes for him to pass, they just fired and ended his life. Explain to me why America has covered up tens of thousands of deaths of Iraqi civilians from ever being told normally by the media. This not a lie claimed by a foreign power Don, these were American documents, drawn by your side, and were confirming these deaths for the most part, as actions that were not combat related, and that only came to light Don because of the Wikileaks leak!

Don imagine this was an America city this happened to and a foreign power done that to ye, how pissed would you be! Well Don, if you think it is ok to kill tens of thousands of civilians, just because your pissed of that similar looking people done 9/11 that is just wrong, and maybe your not thinking that, some of those who support this war have that feeling that is fairly obvious. I not saying war is not tough and grueling and messy, but you have a responsibility to protect the person that is unarmed.Don. The videos shown show a real lack of respect for people, who America claims they have come to help and give freedom to! I don't understand this hippy crap, when you kill someone that is unarmed doing nothing wrong minding there own business, how is that suddenly hippy shit!

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You go on being blind no problem. I'm not alone voice thank god there is some sane people left in the world still! I not going to the level of shouting match with you, I'm just expressing opinions based on facts, that you just can't deal with.

Surrrrrrrrre. Well, if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a normal, peaceful, delightful man deserving of a nuke why don't we give everyone nukes? Shit, the world would be so much better if the approximately 200 nations of the world all had nukes. Can I have one too? I won't actually use it...I swear!

And since isolated incidents speak for entire groups:


Damn, what's up with you crazy-ass Irish folks? What'd that bird ever do to you?

Well, it's been a hoot but I've got some Jews to skin and some lampshades to make (After all, I'm a Nazi.).

 

[Kieran]

Surrrrrrrrre. Well, if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a normal, peaceful, delightful man deserving of a nuke why don't we give everyone nukes? Shit, the world would be so much better if the approximately 200 nations of the world all had nukes. Can I have one too? I won't actually use it...I swear!

And since isolated incidents speak for entire groups:


Damn, what's up with you crazy-ass Irish folks? What'd that bird ever do to you?

Well, it's been a hoot but I've got some Jews to skin and some lampshades to make (After all, I'm a Nazi.).

When has Iran attacked another country exactly? You post a Video that makes no point at all really. When did I say all Americans every last one of you were Nazis? I'm talking about the actions of your country on the world stage, but not all Americans support the foreign policy America has! I have seen people in your media threaten nuclear war will happen, if we are attacked here or abroad, but who has the bomb!, and who would drop if a war went bad. So get realistic!

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Really the credit/blame goes to the whistleblowers themselves. All organizations such as Wikileaks are doing is acting as publishers. If media organizations the world over were doing their job, there would be less of a need for it.

Exactly well done posting this.

 

[Wickerman1972]

When has Iran attacked another country exactly? You post a Video that makes no point at all really. When did I say all Americans every last one of you were Nazis? I'm talking about the actions of your country on the world stage, but not all Americans support the foreign policy America has! I have seen people in your media threaten nuclear war will happen, if we are attacked here or abroad, but who has the bomb!, and who would drop if a war went bad. So get realistic!

Realistic is that you Europeans are so full of shit because a powerful America allows you to be. Outside of the UK the majority of you have no military presence to speak of, leaving you wide open for what happened to that region in WW2. The League of Nations was replaced with the UN to hopefully curtail a reemergence of the fairy tale belief systems that led to an occupied Europe in the first place but y'all have reverted right back. The world we live in is not a Fraggle Rock or Care Bears kind of world. At least half of Americans know it and because Europeans refuse to protect themselves America has to remain super strong to police the whole damned world. We don't like it but the irresponsibility of others has forced it upon us (You say Iran isn't a threat. What if you're wrong? This isn't Dungeons and Dragons where you can get a do-over if things go horribly wrong for God's sake.). We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. We got whined at for not getting militarily involved in Rwanda (Not that the whiners in Europe did anything meaningful either.) and we get whined at for anywhere we do get involved. But hey, go ahead and cry all you want. If and when Europe gets itself in a mess again I very much doubt you'll be calling your buddies in Iran for help. Nope, y'all will be flagging down the "Nazis" (The Nazi thing always trips me out. They were socialists. I thought y'all liked socialists!) in America to save you. And since we're warmongering cavemen we'll go ahead and bail your sorry asses out whereupon you'll go right back to not protecting yourselves, bankrupting yourselves with bullshit (We're doing the same crap as well now. But the leftist politicians passing the shit learned it from Europe.), and bragging to anyone who will listen about how intellectually superior you are to anyone else in the world. I'm out of this thread. Lecture in someone else's ear for a while.

 

[Decker]

I think this thread ran the course. I have made an administrative decision to close this out.

Decker