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Why must we agree?

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Every once in a while, a thread pops up where people go back and forth on a topic. Those involved seem to want the other person to agree with them, so the discussion becomes heated. Whether it's global warming, 9/11, alien abductions, etc, we tend to get drawn into long arguments that usually end up nowhere because it seems hard to change people's opinions.

So why do we feel the need to have someone agree with our point of view?
 
So why do we feel the need to have someone agree with our point of view?
It's a basic human need, to feel that our opinions are validated by someone else. Maybe it comes out of our innate fear of loneliness. It's hard to go through life feeling that we are alone in our way of thinking. It's also food for one's ego (to have our opinions recognized by someone else is rewarding to most people).
 
I would have to agree. I think essentially it's founded in key attachement issues: we need to address those who are there willing to support and acknowlege us in our efforts to stave of feelings of helplessness and meaningless.
 
I think it boils down to the fact that reasonable people can agree to disagree. Unreasonable people cannot.

The basis for any real meaningful discussion is a fundamental agreement as to the meaning of terms and the standards of evidence. Only after coming to an agreement about what we are talking about and what can be accepted as facts can we actually discuss anything as opposed to just shouting our opinions at one another. As recent threads in the forum attest, the failure to agree to a standard of evidence is a major stumbling block to any discussion about the paranormal or conspiracy world. If we cannot be reasonable enough to agree to what constitutes a fact there can be no conversation, only a monologue designed to reinforce our own preconceived notions.

I'm of the opinion that why you believe something is more important than the what you believe in these conversations. Until someone can present a reasonable argument for why they believe something it is unreasonable for them to expect anyone else to seriously entertain their argument for that belief.

There is much more that could be said about it but I think that reasonable people should be able to agree to disagree even about things like standards of evidence. However, when we do that we have to recognize the dialog ends there until some compromise takes place that would allow it to continue.
 
I disagree.............


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Jokes aside, systems seek quorum in order to reduce error.

Unresolved questions leave ppl feeling like there is "error" in the data that has not been resolved

I'll be glad when humanity gets a hive mind, Quorum will solve everything
 
Judging by the amount of logical fallacies I hear when people try to support their points, I would say most people have no idea how to argue.
 
Is the art of debate still taught in schools? I think it should be.


Sadly, the only "art" is to self rightously tag yourself "left" or "right" and heap teachers to your own ears and demonize your opponents with half truths and generalzations. But, I digress.

I have a freind who is as scientifically (math phd) minded as anybody I know. I find that if I can hold my own with him concerning my more "mystical" thoughts that it indeed makes me feel better. The fact that a rational hard headed skeptic can disagree with me and yet not be able to shatter my worldview makes me feel more confident in my own research of a subject. When someone does shatter it I can then go back and search for the weakness and make a decision on the subject as a whole and decide if I need to throw the whole thing out as bunk or adjust my approach to it. So, in some ways when I argue with somebody (if I respect their intellect) I am paying them a huge compliment. Because iron sharpens iron and keeps me from becoming a dull fundi zealot. :-) On the other hand I also have to realize that "winning the argument" by being louder or pounding somebody into submission doesn't make you right.

"You may yell louder than me...but at the end of the day when we walk away...I'm still right and your still wrong." College Prof from Hawaii Pacific University" :-)
 
So why do we feel the need to have someone agree with our point of view?

In The Basic Mistakes We Make in Thinkingby Thomas Kida lists "We seek to confirm, not to question, our ideas." I think that has something to do with efforts to persuade someone else rather than be persuaded ourselves.

Here are some more from the book:
*We prefer stories to statistics
*We rarely appreciate the role of chance and coincidence in shaping events
*We sometimes misperceive the world around us
*We tend to oversimplify our thinking
*We have faulty memories
 
Every once in a while, a thread pops up where people go back and forth on a topic. Those involved seem to want the other person to agree with them, so the discussion becomes heated. Whether it's global warming, 9/11, alien abductions, etc, we tend to get drawn into long arguments that usually end up nowhere because it seems hard to change people's opinions.So why do we feel the need to have someone agree with our point of view?
You pose an important question involving every member of this forum, or anyone for that matter who finds aerial anomalies, and paranormal topics worthy of close inspection. I have arrived at the conclusion that the polarizing effects in these particular subjects are unequaled, and second to none. It appears as though there are forum members who have invested hundreds, if not thousands of hours researching these topics for a myriad of reasons. When you have a climate like this, it is to be expected that there will be heated discussions, or debates. I challenge any forum member to go knock on their closest neighbor’s door, and then explain where their fascination lie, while gauging their neighbor’s response. I am not aware of any other public forum in which discussions, or debates can occur involving persons who have heightened knowledge where these topics exist. Then there is the line of demarcation, which is at the point where entertainment collides with science, and serious discussion. As to your reference, citing the recent jousting match between two forum members, in the end, and in their own way, agreed to disagree, and are now off frolicking together, on another thread. My last thought involves interest in aerial anomalies, and the paranormal, in respect to psychology, and in relation to a comment posted by Facius_Cardan, on this thread.

“Cognition and Belief in Paranormal Phenomena” Gestalt/Feature-Intensive Processing Theory and Tendencies Toward ADHD, Depression, and Dissociation. The Journal of Psychology: Interdisciplinary and Applied. Volume 140, issue 6. ( I have included the abstract so that forum members can see how the mental health care profession views these topics. The keyword here is “Belief.”)
“Belief in paranormal phenomena and cryptids—unknown animals such as Bigfoot—may predispose individuals to interpret real-world objects and events in the same way that eyewitness identification can be biased by unrelated information (P. James & N. Thorpe, 1999). Psychological tendencies toward attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), dissociation, and depression, even at subclinical levels, may be associated systematically with particular paranormal or cryptozoological beliefs. The authors evaluated these psychological tendencies using the Conners Adult ADHD Rating Scales ©. K. Conners, D. Erhardt, & E. Sparrow, 1999), the Dissociative Experiences Scale (L. Coleman & J. Clark, 1999), and the Beck Depression Inventory-II (A. T. Beck, 1996). They performed regression analyses against beliefs in ghosts, unidentified flying objects (UFOs), extrasensory perception (ESP), astrology, and cryptids. ADHD, dissociation, and depression were associated with enhanced tendencies toward paranormal and cryptozoological beliefs, although participants who believed in each of the phenomena differed from one another in predictable and psychologically distinguishable ways. Cognitively biasing influences of preexisting psychological tendencies may predispose individuals to specific perceptual and cognitive errors during confrontation of real-world phenomena.”
 
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