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The Vertical Plane

Discussion in 'Ghost Stories' started by Loose Leaf Tea, Jul 10, 2008.



  1. Waller

    Waller Paranormal Adept

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    Waller said:
    Nothing is happenstance. Nothing.
    I take responsibility for the physical reality I create. Life happens through you not to you. Although it is perfectly fine if you want to experience physical dream as a victim of it. I choose not to.
     
  2. Usual Suspect

    Usual Suspect USI Calgary

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    OK that's fine in principle, at least to a point, but it doesn't validate the claim that "nothing is happenstance". It only deals with your immediate physical reality that you think you have some conscious influence over. What about the rest? Like stuff that goes on where there's nobody around or is governed by probability or is simply accidental?
     
  3. Usual Suspect

    Usual Suspect USI Calgary

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    Oh. OK. And here silly me thought you were trying to make some sort of point ... lol. Maybe if we try another approach. Why is it so important to you that you get noticed by Ken or Deb? What do you hope to gain or learn?
     
  4. Waller

    Waller Paranormal Adept

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    Waller said:
    Nothing is happenstance. Nothing.
    I take responsibility for the physical reality I create. Life happens through you not to you. Although it is perfectly fine if you want to experience physical dream as a victim of it. I choose not to.


    All happenings in your physical reality are governed by your creative consciousness and the co-creation of it with others. There are no "governed by probability" or "accidental" events. You create your physical reality based around the themes that you desired to explore pre-incarnation (to speak linearly).

    If you wish to perceive your [personal] physical reality as if you are the victim of unknown and undesirable forces which throw events, problems and other scenarios @ you that you may not prefer, then please do so. That's a valid experience...for you.

    For me, I prefer to run the world I create, to have life live through me instead of hoisted on me. How do I know that I am in control of my journey? Synchronicity. The number of synchronous events continues to accelerate i.e. the coming together of seemingly unrelated events.

    To wit, the idea is to recognize that your wish, your desire, in and of itself, is a frequency of energy. If you have the wish, if you have the desire, then you are “putting that energy out” in your reality, you are giving off that vibration. If you are giving off that vibration, and if you don’t get in your own way with your assumptions about what you can and cannot do, then you will automatically and effortlessly draw to yourself the opportunities that will be obvious for you to act on to fulfill your wish. That’s one definition of synchronicity.

    And what exactly is my purpose on Earth? To be myself, that is all. How do I live to the fullest? By following my greatest excitement, moment to moment, without setting any expectations whatsoever, to the best of my ability.
     
  5. mike

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    And yet you were once banned from the forum, did you create that reality on purpose or was the ban something beyond your control ?

    When i test your claims against the reality, they don't stand up.

    An obvious answer might be that you are simply deluded in your view of reality.
     
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    Catastrophany Paranormal Novice

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    Hate to be a pain but I've been following this thread for a year in case Deb comes back to add to it, or Ken happens across it. I'd appreciate it if the off topic chit chat that My inbox has been pleasured with for the past three days could move to its own thread, especially now that it seems to have devolved into a pissing match... this convo has next to nothing to do with the book and this is one of few threads that still exists about it, but it's getting crapped on pretty hard at the moment.
     
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    The Thread is almost 10 years old, and Deb makes it pretty clear she and Ken don't have much more to add to the story.

    As to devolving into a pissing match. Deb says.

    And i think what you have seen in the recent posts is an attempt to maintain that intellectual integrity which is a hallmark of the forum. All part of sorting the wheat from the chaff.
    Part of discussing the paranormal in an intelligent way as Deb puts it is to challenge unsubstantiated claims. All the Usual Suspect has done is ask for the substantiation of statements of facts.
    That goes both ways too.
    Were i to state, this case is a load of rubbish, its a hoax and that's a fact. You and others would expect i substantiate that claim of fact.

    I am entitled to an opinion (hoax or real) but not to claim either position as a fact. Its the very thing, Intelligent honest debate, that Deb was drawn to as she states.

    She and Ken and i am sure others here continue to search for answers, but the methodology is important too. People cant just make up facts and present them as such.
     
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    I'll give an example.
    While researching this case i came across this

    I actually lived in the house with Ken Webster a few years prior to the occurences he wrote about in the book. I have to say that I never experienced any of the phenomenon that Ken did, and I would have to say that the cottage never had any 'bad or odd vibes', in fact it was one of the most peaceful places you could imagine.


    Ken was very much into his music when we shared the cottage and he had been there for a while with a variety of other mates and musos (one of whom was a very established and well known keyboard player who played with the likes of Black, The Mighty Wah, Simply Red and many others!).


    Ken had been a teacher at my High School, but being only a few years older than me (I was 19 at the time) was more of a friend than a teacher. I was also a 'struggling' wannabee musician as well, and myself and a few other friends used to help Ken with his PA hire business come hobby, and got to see and work with some great and now legendary Liverpool bands as he worked mainly throughout the post punk Liverpool clubs.


    Ken was a pretty serious type of person - he had a great sense of humor but was a fairly solitary and sensitive kind of guy, certainly not the type of person to leave himself open to public ridicule, especially not by writing a book that would make him out to be a a bit of a 'loon'.


    I was also taught English at High School by Peter Trinder as I attended Hawarden High School in North Wales (the school both Ken and Peter taught at). Mr Trinder as we knew him was the 'old school', Oxbridge and bow ties etc. Again not the type up for public ridicule.

    THE BOOK WAS A FASCINATING READ FOR ME AS YOU CAN IMAGINE , AND WAS THE TOPIC OF MUCH HEATED DEBATE BETWEEN FRIENDS OF MINE AND KEN'S OVER THE YEARS (OOps! excuse the typos!) over the authenticity of the story - some believed and some thought it was an excellent hoax, but we all agreed it was a fantastic, and captivating book nonetheless - would have made a great film too...and I make documentaries myself now so who knows, I may have to give Ken a call!...If I can find a contact for him

    Is this proof the story is true or that its made up.?

    Of course not, this person could be lying, His post gives us nothing.

    Lots of claims nothing we can substantiate as fact.
     
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    You could try blocking it at your email end.
     
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    I was banned?

    lol
     
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    Yes but i'm sure you are used to it by now.

    Physical medium Waller Joel
     
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    Life obviously happens. Some of it happens "through you" like when you create something. But the vast majority of what influences your existence happens "to you" and there's very little or nothing you can do about most of it. For example the Earth doesn't turn "through you". It turns independent of you your whole life and has been doing so for billions of years. There are countless more examples, so lets just take that little new agey buzz-phrase and kick-it to the curb where it belongs. To assume that this universe exists because you came along some 13+ billion years after it came into existence would be the height of sheer wilful ignorance just to satisfy one's own sense of self-importance.
    That's a loaded statement that implies an assumption. It's probably better to avoid those.
    What do you mean by "your physical reality". Is there really a need to place a possessive qualifier on it? Is it different that just saying, "All happenings in physical reality." ?
    Again: why emphasize "personal" physical reality. It sounds more like you're referring to one's subjective reality ( subjective experience ) and one's attitude toward it. It seems like you're mixing separate contexts.
    Sure, most people can't let go and enjoy the journey. Instead they try for reasons of personal insecurity to control it, and in a small very limited way, this helps our immediate situation. But the fact is, the vast majority of what goes on in the universe, our world, and even to ourselves, happens without our knowledge or consent, and even if we could know everything that happens and want to do something about it, most of it is beyond our control. I prefer to accept this truth and study it because I find it to be an amazing journey. Trying to control or convince myself into the delusion that I have control over it all would detract from my experience of life.
    I think we're onto the subject of vibrations elsewhere, but I tend to resonate with the idea that there are negative and positive waves in a sort of psycho-social sense based on cultural and moral programming. Once again I present this fine example below:


    Ya that ( the above ) and by convincing yourself you're in control of everything. LOL. Personally I find it a lot more interesting to think the universe is full of mysteries far bigger and more interesting than me or what I can control. I accept that life is short and that at any time the entire universe could simply blink out of existence. Therefore, not entirely unlike yourself, I also tend to pursue on a moment-by-moment basis whatever it is I seem to be driven to do at the time.
     
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    To All: A Kindle version(facsimile) of the book will be available for £5.50 from the end of October. Sorry for those who have had to pay a silly price for this - hopefully this will stop this speculative shenanigans going on ..supply and demand etc... Cheers, Debs.
     
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