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Jeff Davis said:
[...] the Oligarchy [...] control all monetary exchange and standards (fake!) for the global banking network that they themselves own.

This is the ONLY reason why voting for TRUMP is so critical. He is well OUTSIDE this Oligarchic entrenchment and system of control. Please, for the sake of REAL freedom and liberty WTFU!!!!
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With beliefs as listed, what evidence are people using that convinces them that Trump is 'outside this oligarchic entrenchment' I wonder? What evidence convinces them that Trump (alone) will deliver 'real freedom and liberty'?
 
Gene Steinberg said:
Jeff feel free to believe any wacky theory you want, but it isn't the unvarnished truth, not close.

One thing that is true is that changes need to be made. But Trump hasn't a clue about anything but getting his name on it. No major party is capable of presenting the candidate who will signify change "you can believe it," nor will any of those so-called third-party candidates.
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Agreed, and I believe Bernie Sanders and what he espouses are the beginning of the economic changes needed.
Gene Steinberg said:
Things are definitely not so good for lots of people. My financial situation tanked beginning with the Bush recession and never recovered. I am not the only one suffering. But Trump can't [fix] such problems; he hasn't a clue how anything works.
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My question is why do people believe someone like Trump understands how things work? When all he demonstrates (when one scans his background) is an ability to game the system to his own advantage and no one else's. :confused:
Gene Steinberg said:
So how do we find a non-violent way of fixing what's broken?
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First, we vote out the bad apples in Congress - and we do elect Clinton, because regardless of points of disagreement, she is sane.

Then begin the process of making the US a truly fair and equal nation. See (just one example) on YouTube: Capitalism is in crisis. Economist Richard Wolff Talks w/ Lee Camp [25] - "Lee Camp interviews [Marxist] filmmaker, author and economics professor Richard D. Wolff about his new book and the pitfalls of current capitalism. Camp also covers the paradoxes of libertarianism. This and more on tonight’s episode of Redacted Tonight VIP."

Edited Addition: Or better is this lecture giving the history of economic theory in the US. See on YouTube: Richard D. Wolff Lecture on Worker Coops: Theory and Practice of 21st Century Socialism
 
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@Tyger are you aware of any current people in Congress or running this year that would be in the Bernie Sanders mold?
 
Wade said:
@Tyger are you aware of any current people in Congress or running this year that would be in the Bernie Sanders mold?
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There are some. Bernie defines himself as a Democratic Socialist - so just follow the breadcrumbs. There are deep social, historical reasons why - in the US - no politician who wishes to be viable will admit to being Socialist. That is changing (because of Bernie) but there is still a stigma, as is evidenced here on this thread.

Economic revolution is the 'bloodless coup' that is needed.

See on YouTube: Marxism 101: How Capitalism is Killing Itself with Dr. Richard Wolff // Empire_File022
 
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FDR can be defined as a Democratic Socialist. But the meaning of the "S" word has been distorted to mean something it does not mean.
 
Well it hasn't escaped my attention that the most successful stable countries currently are the so called Scandinavian Socialist countries (Nordic model) but I'm not so sure they are Socialist because from what I understand and I could be wrong is that a big part of the GDP of those countries come from private individuals, businesses and corporations not the community and the market still determines the distribution of these outputs not the collective or government that sounds closer to us but maybe they don't have the number of special interests and lobbying groups we do.
 
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Wade said:
Well it hasn't escaped my attention that the most successful stable countries currently are the so called Scandinavian Socialist countries (Nordic model)
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Include Germany in that.
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but I'm not so sure they are Socialist because from what I understand and I could be wrong is that a big part of the GDP of those countries come from private individuals, businesses and corporations not the community
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Not sure what you mean by this.
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and the market still determines the distribution of these outputs not the collective or government that sounds closer to us but maybe they don't have the number of special interests and lobbying groups we do.
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I think you are conflating political entities - like communist Soviet Russia, for example - with Socialism and Marxism, etc. Markets still apply in socialist situations. We are not talking about a 'managed' economy, though in point of fact our so-named 'free economy' is very much 'managed' by government regulations that simply favor the big corporations. There is no such thing as a 'free market' driven by pure 'market forces' - this is an illusion - albeit a serious tenet of the 'capitalist religion' (to use an analogy).
 
To any forum member living in Los Angeles I'd recommend making a visit to The Center for Land Use Interpretation The Center for Land Use Interpretation in Palms right next to the Museum of Jurassic Technology before election day Nov. 8 .

Currently in display
A president’s outsized stature as an individual, and as the interpreter-in-chief of America, can make for interesting terrestrial manifestations. From birthplace to tomb, and at points in between, each president’s personal history forms a geography of their identity and legacy. For many early presidents, their landscape evolved over time, shaped by historians and others as the nation claimed its past. More recently, presidents get directly involved, designing their official museum, library, and historical parks while still in office and in the years of their post-presidency. Whether done for them, by them, or a little of both, each presidency leaves sites that end up on the physical map of the nation, creating lasting landmarks on that ultimate political and cultural document: the shared terrain of these United States.

Exhibit on display at CLUI Los Angeles through November 8, 2016.

This exhibit is supported by a grant from the Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts.

There are four touch screen displays showing various landmarks associated with each president. Birthplaces, childhood honesschools, burial places etc. It's kind of interesting seeing the difference between the various presidents as to the lengths that places are memorialized and placed associated with them, from Tombs (Grant) to a little plaque right in front of a gas station (Arthur) to a current India spice shop in N.Y. C. Another previous president (I forgot who) had his childhood home used for kindling.

Also little bits of trivia are mentioned that I felt was interestinting. One being that William Harrison; considered to be the first president to do the campaign circuit was the down home folksy "log cabin and hard cider" candidate and in his honor promotets handed out whiskey in log cabin-shaped bottles supplied by the E.C. Booz distillery which is where we get the word booze from. A note to Trump and all birthers, did you know that we had an earlier president that had a questionable pedigree as far as his birthplace? We're looking at you Chester A Arthur, you backstabbing turncoat (see the American experience episode on James Garfield)

This exhibit probably does have limited interest to most people but not me. I'm a real geek for this place. I spent 3 hours this afternoon zipping through Presidents Washington through Grover Cleveland I'll probably do the rest next Saturday and about a year ago I spent two consecutive Sundays going through a very impressive display they had showing the full nearly 4,000 mile border between the US and Canada in all its idiosyncratic glory.
 
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Interesting personal entaglements among the rich and powerful. :cool:

Lee Camp may be an acquired taste, but he is (can be) funny. I don't always agree with him (and that's the case here in one or two instances) but he is generally dead-center in this very funny (and sad) analysis, particularly regarding the distinction between voter fraud and election fraud, which Trump has (per usual) scrambled in his rhetoric.

"Lee Camp covers the 3rd and final, most vicious and ridiculous, 2016 Presidential Debate. He unearths the issues that really matter to America, that sadly aren’t touched upon in this demented circus of an election. What is happening with immigration, climate change, jobs, and poverty? What is the difference between voter fraud and election fraud? This and more on Redacted Tonight."


BTW We have virtually no voter fraud in America. What is the fraud is that people are changing laws because of so-called voter fraud. Voter suppression is a much bigger problem than voter fraud.

Election Fraud - not Voter Fraud - is what is the real problem.
 
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Wade said:
With every passing day I'm not so sure Trump wants to be voted in. As I've mentioned from the start nearly every one of his moves seems to be designed to turn people off.
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You’re not alone in those thoughts. In not listening to any of his staff, he goes out of his way to create a divide in this country, while alienating his constituents. Otherwise, he would most likely have been ahead in the polls by now.

Vladimir Putin Has a Plan for Destroying the West—and It Looks a Lot Like Donald Trump
 
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The bottom line: Hillary is a life long career criminal politician with a record that's as clear as the nose on anyone's face that has posted in this forum. If you possess one shred of either honesty, or integrity, you can no more deny this than you can the fact that Trump @Tyger has never been an active politician prior to this election. Make of that what you will, but no, Trump has absolutely no history of being an Oligarchic puppet. The money over which he has sole command is far and away substantial enough to maintain a separate posture from them.

If you you want things in the USA to progressively continue into the nearest toilet as they have been for the last 60 years, vote for Hillaryous. If you don't want matters to continue as they have, vote for Trump. Whether or not anything changes for the better is a complete uncertainty. However, not voting for him is an absolute assurance of matters getting worse. If a person has "faith" in what is the basic current state of political affairs in the USA you are indeed a VERY sad case.

Most Fear Voter Fraud, Say Candidates Shouldn't Accept Early Results - Rasmussen Reports™
 
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