I haven't yet listened to that podcast either. I'd prefer, as always, a written text or texts that deal comprehensively with the different observations that have led to the hypothesis of a satellite (or two) in changing orbits around earth since 1952 (not the speculation that it's been in earth orbit for 13,000 years). It sounds like Duncan Lunan also provides written text(s) on this subject on his website, probably a good place to begin before surveying the various indications that such a satellite was present over a period of time. Reading all that will take considerable time and I was misleading in writing that I would devote some time to this, which suggested that I'd do it all at once starting now. Even if I did that, what are the chances that my reading would be persuasive? My guess is that 'we' don't have enough information in public view to be confident that we know whether there has been such a satellite in earth orbit or not. What I questioned was the claim that all of this has been 'debunked', which is, in current usage, a judgment often without legs.