Pyramid like Anomaly On Mars

[Han]

ps, Han, if you can figure out a way to show the image here please let me know how to do it. Presently the Paracast system is not set up to reproduce images from photobucket or from facebook, where there are a dozen Mars research forums posting images every day.

Hi Constance the way to get your picture from photobucket etc to show in your Paracast post is as follows:

#1 you must be logged in to the forum

#2 go to the paracast thread where you want to post the image.

# 3 in the message options select "image" and a box should appear (see pic):




# 4 paste the internet address (URL) of the image you want to post in the box:



# 5 choose the "insert" option




# 6 the image should now show in your message.

N.B in the case of photobucket you need to use the "direct" URL (see pic):




Any problems let me know.

 

[marduk]

Dr Brandenburg is a rocket scientist and part of that generation who took the USA to the MOON. You would be surprised what coming in the next few years and looking forward to the new discoveries
President Donald J. Trump

I know who he is, I've read most of his Mars book, and I respect him about the radiation data.

It's the rest of it I worry about. Because it's pure speculation.

 

[Constance]

Convergent Evolution

{interesting section on lizards, btw}

 

[Constance]

Hi Constance the way to get your picture from photobucket etc to show in your Paracast post is as follows:

#1 you must be logged in to the forum

#2 go to the paracast thread where you want to post the image.

# 3 in the message options select "image" and a box should appear (see pic):




# 4 paste the internet address (URL) of the image you want to post in the box:



# 5 choose the "insert" option




# 6 the image should now show in your message.

N.B in the case of photobucket you need to use the "direct" URL (see pic):




Any problems let me know.

Thank you for that tutorial, Han. I did not know about the procedure you identify in point 6. I've just been copying the URL into the image box. I hope it will also be workable for images posted in the facebook forums.

 

[Han]

Thank you for that tutorial, Han. I did not know about the procedure you identify in point 6. I've just been copying the URL into the image box. I hope it will also be workable for images posted in the facebook forums.

Most welcome, not sure about facebook because I don't use it.

Thank you letting me post your images:

 

[Han]

It took a while but eventually I think I saw the "lizard" type of impression you mentioned:


It is a striking resemblance in some ways but after a while I got a different outline more like a Duck or Tyrannosaurus A:





But I also notice a strange formation to the right B:



it reminded me of a Shield with a "Boss" or even a "Celtic cross".

 

[marduk]

I see Reptilian Trump kissing Reptilian Putin.

Do I win the game?

 

[Bob Watson]

As many know I work as a TA at a university. I took the pics to a geology professor his 1st words "what am I supposed to be looking for? " after some discussion a verdict was reached. The rocks are rocks nothing artificial at all. No gliphs no art nothing . This professor has 30 years experience. He knows what is natural and what is artificial.
Sorry.. natural rocks nothing more

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[Constance]

As many know I work as a TA at a university. I took the pics to a geology professor his 1st words "what am I supposed to be looking for? " after some discussion a verdict was reached. The rocks are rocks nothing artificial at all. No gliphs no art nothing . This professor has 30 years experience. He knows what is natural and what is artificial.

He may know what is 'natural', or what appears to him to be 'simply natural', since that is what he looks at and looks for in the discipline in which he works. @marduk referred above to the failure of NASA/JPL to pursue indications of life on Mars after the Voyager mission. Even the Curiosity rover, the most recent one operating on Mars, is not equipped to test for and evaluate signs of life. Many Mars researchers continue to complain about the restriction of the rovers to investigations of geological formations and substances. Maybe next time around.


In the meantime, the assessment of what is visible in the multitude of photographic images of shapes, forms, structures, and signs of cultures on the surface of Mars is work that can only be accomplished by archaeologists and art historians. If NASA/JPL were to involve specialists in these disciplines to the study of what is visible on Mars, we would be having a different public conversation by now. Maybe some day. (It might also be the case, of course, that JPL does by now employ archaologists and art historians to study visible artefacts and anomalies on Mars's surface, and we might hope that such an investigation is eventually made public.)

Sorry.. natural rocks nothing more

Why don't you ask your geologist to evaluate visible evidence of intentionality and artistic expression at work in the photographed remains of ancient cultures on earth, well-studied by archaeologists and art historians as well as by materials scientists. Perhaps he will be able to recognize some of these artefacts on earth as works of intelligent life preceding our time. It's not such a leap from accepting these physical signs as products of intelligent life in cultures in our own pre-history to recognizing the indisputable similarities that exist among these artefacts on earth and artefacts visible on Mars in the rover images. Maybe he will be able to make that leap.

 

[Constance]

It took a while but eventually I think I saw the "lizard" type of impression you mentioned:


It is a striking resemblance in some ways but after a while I got a different outline more like a Duck or Tyrannosaurus A:

You have a good eye, Han. The lizard figure on the rock in the image I cropped from the gigapan that I linked above actually jumped out at me as I increased the light, contrast, and hues embedded in the photograph -- but not until then, though I saw enough in the darkened panoramic image JPL released to sense something interesting there. I agree that there is more more to be contemplated in other markings on nearby rocks (more eroded, or less capturable because of overexposure of these rocks receiving full or reflected sunlight on their surfaces). You note a form carved into one rock that suggests a symbolic form or image similar to artefacts from cultures developed later in our species' own historical past. The presence of such artefacts in a number of rover images strongly suggests that artefacts visible on Mars are not all residues of a single cultural period's expression, but of several periods of culture and cultural expression.

Of paramount interest to me, there are a number of sites in Gale Crater (the area being explored and photographed by the Curiosity rover) that reveal artistic artefacts evidently produced from a later technology [beyond carvings on and out of stones and rock formations] in which ceramic materials of some kind have been developed and used to shape figures, vases, other receptacles. These artefacts, often grouped together in what look like outdoor artists' work areas, have smooth surfaces and show signs of pigment (dyes, stains, paint?) added to their surfaces. We know these artefacts are hollow because in some cases we see broken ones -- we can see into their hollow interiors, and also see broken fragments of the shaped material lying on the ground next to them. My impression is that traces and signs of cultures occurring in different historical epochs on Mars can be identified. We know that Mars has been subject to a number of environmental catastrophes (and also possible nuclear detonations) over a long period of time. My impression is that Martians similar to ourselves in interests, ideas, and activities have survived through these catastrophes -- perhaps into the present, by which time life has for the most part moved underground, likely in lava tubes that contain frozen water. Even NASA/JPL now recognize seasonal signs of water flowing on Mars's surface and also signs of groundwater darkening the surface in many places.

 

[Constance]

Here's your lizard rock.

Thank you, @marduk, for providing this image. Did you use the same procedure Han described for me above in accomplishing this? If so, the transition to the Paracast imaging software evidently enables a much larger reproduction of the image than photobucket produces -- very good to see.

 

[Constance]

The enlargement @marduk produced in the above post makes it easier to see that there might be the skeleton of a very long-legged creature lying on the top left of the carved rock in question. If so, it appears to be frog-like, with webbed feet.

 

[marduk]

Thank you, @marduk, for providing this image. Did you use the same procedure Han described for me above in accomplishing this? If so, the transition to the Paracast imaging software evidently enables a much larger reproduction of the image than photobucket produces -- very good to see.

Yup. I should have posted how, apologies.

 

[Han]

If anybody owns a pair of red/blue 3d Glasses* they might be interested in the following image:



This is what is called a red/blue anaglyph and when viewed through red/blue 3d glasses you should get a much better perception of depth.




*you can buy these for about £1 online

 

[marduk]

It's a rock. Not even an interesting one.

There are far more interesting examples of paradolia right here on earth.

 

[Han]

I have spent some time looking at this image, and although I am seeing very unusual (to me I am not a geologist) "structures" in the rock, I don't think they are actual "fossils" or "objects", but are natural formations that happen to look quite animalistic or fossilistic (not sure if this is a word, I mean as in they look like fossils).

I own a rock that I thought could be a Fossil snake or turtle head, but when I showed it to an "expert" they said it was not.






I also found what I thought may be a fossilised bone, but again it was not:





I did however find a genuine fossil:





Just because it looks like a thing, it doesn't necessarily mean it is, and the reason I posted my "rocks" is because unlike anything on Mars I could actually "handle" them and I was still fooled.

Human vision is miraculous and a thing of wonder, but it does have its limitations and fallibilities. There is a certain amount of "automatic correction" in the brain when we look. We are not alone in this weakness, for example think of a fish "eating" a man made "lure" or "Fly" that "mimics" a natural food item, and then remember that Oktopodes and Squid will also take "Lures" and in some species of Squid their vision is superior to our own. I have also seen White sharks attack lures in the rough shape of a seals silhouette.

The reason I am saying this is because I think that the "Hardwiring" of the brain of the observer has a lot to do with what is percieved. (back to fish again ) :

If we take the example of the White shark attacking a roughly seal shaped lure, we would not expect the same response from a Whale shark because it eats much smaller food and would not have the "instinct" to attempt to consume such a large potential food item. (the Seal shaped lure)

It is evident to me that Humans are "hardwired" to recognise patterns, and here on earth have been exploiting, adapting and incorporating natural geological formations into their works of art from time immemorial.


Having said all that if I was tasked with looking for evidence of life on Mars, I think that looking for patterns in rock similar to fossil formations found on Earth would be a worthwhile endevour at least as a starting point for further investigation. I should also say that I do not believe in any form of life outside of Earth, but I remain open minded, I will say however I am not buying any "pyramid" type of structures or "lost" Martian cities or "relics" especially just from photographs.

 

[Constance]

Dimitar Sasselov—LIFE: WHAT A CONCEPT! | Edge.org

 

[marduk]

I would not be surprised if there were simple life on mars. Maybe even multicellular.

I would be very surprised if complex life ever lived on the surface. Especially animal life.

I just don't see a whole parallel hominid evolution that happened there billions of years before it happened on earth being anything but shockingly improbable.

 

[Han]

Dimitar Sasselov—LIFE: WHAT A CONCEPT! | Edge.org

I understand that people far more astute, learned, knowledgeable, intelligent and qualified than me, believe that the probability of life outside earth is much greater than not.
But those same people will tell you that we haven't fount it yet.

However convincing their arguments are, I am not budging until I see some "evidence", that doesn't mean I don't think we should be looking, but I am convinced we need to get our own house in order before we go poking around the galaxy.

I think it more likely that man will take "life" off planet rather than it being there already, and that could go very badly wrong very quickly
they couldn't even drill lake Vostok without contaminating it here on Earth.

As always I am grateful for the exchange of information, and enjoyed looking at the image greatly.

 

[Han]

Re my post above, I had second thoughts about some of the information I posted (before I edited it) anybody who wants info about 3D send me a PM