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Pentagon UFO Study - Media Monitoring

Discussion in 'The UFO Forum' started by uforadio, Mar 9, 2018.



  1. Thomas R Morrison

    Thomas R Morrison Paranormal Adept

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    Apparently he's getting his facts mixed up. Even Tom DeLonge said on the Joe Rogan show that the sample in question specifically did not come from Roswell.

    Yep, that's the photo of the worthless industrial residue that LMH looked into years ago. Whoever decided to show a photo of that thing should be slapped. I can understand that even a photo of the metamaterial in question would be highly classified, but for God's sake, showing that lump of rubbish is just a bad idea any way you look at it.

    And again, how did you hear this part?

    "This is not the sample that Delonge was talking about, which allegedly was from a 1948 crash and had a different number of layers."

    I see no such info in the Tweet or comments.
     
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    @uforadio, thank you especially for the link to the conference going on in Las Vegas concerning remote viewing. This clarifying exchange included in the text at the link should be helpful to one and all:

    "George Knapp, I-Team Reporter: "They the public always suspect you guys are 'Men In Black,' the secret government. Suspicions confirmed?"

    Dr. John Alexander: "Well the problem there is that most people have no idea how the government works. They talk about what does the government know. Remember we have three big branches of government. These are huge agencies, and because information goes in at one point, it does not mean it gets disseminated. In these areas, quite to the contrary. It is held in very tight circles."
     
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    In Joe Rogan's podcast, Tom Delonge said the material they hope to use for their demonstration has never been written about online. The material allegedly comes from a UFO that crashed in 1948 (1 year after Roswell). Similar materials, nicknamed "Art's parts," have been documented, but he made it clear those were different.

    LMH's piece of metal was described by one analyst as a brittle chip that looked like it deposited over time on the inside edge of an industrial vent, and did not contain anything else than perfectly normal magnesium, bismuth and a bit of zinc.

    Delonge said his parts had highly unusual isotopic ratios and were most definitely manufactured in zero gravity, and especially far from this solar system. And TTSA doesn't want us to see pictures of it.
     
  4. Thomas R Morrison

    Thomas R Morrison Paranormal Adept

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    I found it very interesting the Luis Elizondo confirmed the nonterrestrial isotopic ratios in his interview with uforadio. I don't think it's possible to determine where a material was made (in space, on Earth, nearby, or far away).

    You don't seem to understand national security or classification at all. If the military has a sample of alien technology, then it would be among the most highly classified materials to ever exist. They would immediately arrest, prosecute and jail anyone who showed that material to the public. There's a kid in jail right now for taking a selfie in the engine room of the nuclear submarine where he worked. So it's totally foolish to say "TTSA doesn't want us to see pictures of it." It's not up to them. They don't own that material. We won't be able to see that material unless the government declassifies it, and frankly I don't see that ever happening.

    Which is why DeLonge issued a Tweet a few months ago saying that they're going to independently replicate that metamaterial in the private sector so they can show that new sample to the public and demonstrate its properties. That seems like a reasonable workaround the security laws, but I would imagine that there would be some very heated arguments behind closed doors about it.
     
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    Realm Paranormal Adept

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    He most likely meant this hoax:
    Aztec, New Mexico, UFO incident - Wikipedia

    It's hard to decide which is more hilarious, true believers believing in LMH or Tom DeLonge (especially after that crazy Rogan interview). Luckily I don't need to, since LMH has also marketed that 1948 hoax at some point. Same old crap.

    Anyone who still believes into those nonsensical claims about those alloy/meta/isotope materials should take a good look at the mirror while asking why this topic is being ridiculed.
     
  6. Thomas R Morrison

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    The origin of the material - where and how exactly it was acquired, is immaterial. All that matters are its properties and its structure. If it really does lose some mass under THz radiation exposure, then that's a major leap forward for science.

    I've actually researched photonic metamaterials, and learned that the correct use of the Helmholtz stress-energy tensor to calculate the internal physical characteristics of a photonic metamaterial under exposure to THz radiation does in fact offer a viable mechanism for mass reduction via the electrostriction and magnetostriction terms:
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1510/1510.06227.pdf
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1801/1801.00942.pdf

    So once again, physics proves you wrong.

    And why are you even posting here, since you're obviously an ardent disbeliever of the ufo phenomenon and a vocal critic of everyone involved in this field? Did they kick you out of your true home at MetaBunk, or what?
     
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    Walter Bosley Paranormal Adept

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    MAYBE. Folks have got to reconsider this assumption that all pilots are briefed in on everything they encounter (despite the publicly expressed c0cksurety of fighter jocks...). A useful part of testing would include some pilots being unaware of what exactly they're encountering.
     
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    Quick update and new developments:

    Jeremy Corbell’s new interview with USS Nimitz radar operator Trevor:


    Transcript of Dr. Hal Puthoff Address to the SSE/IRVA Conference, Las Vegas, 8 June 2018:
    Dr. Hal Puthoff Address to the SSE/IRVA Conference, Las Vegas, 8 June 2018 - Paradigm Research Group

    John Alexander’s Article in latest issue 34 of EdgeScience (issued by SSE) on the topic of Pentagon UFO Study:
    Page 7: The Department of Defense and UFOs Redux
    EdgeScience Issue 34 | Society for Scientific Exploration
    https://scientificexploration.s3.am...962941&Signature=OmRAxNWBNQYuc9xP2NsCm7rBvp4=

    Best wishes.
     
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    Bombshell in Trevor the radar operator's interview:

    He saw footage that was not released, allegedly from a nose camera on the F-18, much higher definition than the FLIR camera, showing the way the craft was "mocking" or "mirroring" the F-18's movements.

    He says the craft was actually a "typical flying saucer" and he has no idea why the others were talking about a Tic Tac!

    "It was a dome with a flat bottom. You can tell in the video, it's obvious, you can totally tell that."

    I don't know if this guy is the real deal, but I trust Corbell did his homework... Very exciting stuff if true.

    The timing of Hal Puthoff's lecture and this interview on the same week, after months of famine, is a startling coincidence. This fits the hypothesis that the embargo is being lifted on a regular, somewhat obvious quarterly schedule:

    December: NY Times + 2 videos
    March (3 months later): Go Fast video + Chris Mellon's Op Ed
    June (3 months later): Hal Puthoff's lecture further confirming the existence of crashed UFOs and materials + Pulling the minty white veil off the Nimitz UFOs

    Let's see what else happens this week... It's starting to come together!

    Edit: Kevin Day is being interviewed on KGRA tonight.. Two unrelated Nimitz witnesses' accounts go out on the exact same day... Smells like coordination.
     
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    Why of course, because hoaxers are known to provide quality data...

    Which is just a silly idea based on nothing.

    We have already seen how credible your crackpot physics are. And your sources do not support your claims.

    Once again? Living in a dream world again? Your crackpot physics have never proved me wrong, but actual physics have certainly proved you wrong, like here before:
    UFO propulsion, metric engineering, and horizon physics

    I'm just doing others a favor by exposing the misinformation you are trying to spread.
     
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    If I recall, Kevin and "Trevor" were both the first ones to notice the objects... And Kevin apparently wrote another fictional version of it back in 2008/2009, where his name was Andy Cline. The person who initially leaked the video at ATS also tried to tell some fictional version of it first before posting the actual log.

    Smells like something else than coordination.
     
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  13. Thomas R Morrison

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    You internet trolls are amazing – the whole world is just one big conspiracy to you people, huh?

    We’ve got Sen. Harry Reid confirming the existence of this program and his role in creating it. We’ve got the New York Times writing about it and confirming it with multiple independent sources, and the former Director of the program at the Pentagon appearing on every major network in the country, and he’s confirmed the existence of this metamaterial on several occasions now.

    But it’s all just a big “hoax,” right? The real irony here, is that you probably think of yourself as a “skeptic,” when in reality, skeptics base their conclusions on facts and data. There’s zero evidence that this is some big “hoax” or “conspiracy,” and yet off you go, slinging around wild accusations in lieu of actual facts or evidence to support your assertion.

    You’re not a skeptic Realm; you’re a parody of a skeptic.

    That’s what I assumed when I heard Tom DeLonge say it. But then, because I’m an actual skeptic and not a faker like you are, I actually studied the subject to find out: is there a viable physical mechanism whereby a photonic metamaterial can lose some of its rest mass?” And after a few days of reading academic physics papers on the subject, I learned that yes, there is.

    And subsequently we’ve heard Luis Elizondo and Dr. Puthoff speak about just such a photonic metamaterial and it’s exotic structure. So either they’re all liars (as you’d have us believe), or you are (which I’m about to prove).

    So here we go, Realm: clearly this particular subject is way above your pay-grade, and I empathize because the bridge between metamaterials and general relativity is a highly advanced subject that few people can understand without many years of physics study under their belt, so we can set this specific topic aside for a moment.

    And I’ll just ask you point-blank, you said you’ve “already seen how credible your crackpot physics are,” so name one previous example where I’ve been wrong about physics. Take your time.

    Everything that I share publicly on the subject of physics is backed up by peer-reviewed academic physics papers published in reputable mainstream journals. You, on the other hand, are a true physics crackpot (you really shouldn’t pretend to know about a subject like physics without actually studying the subject, fyi) – like that time you attacked Constance for her interest in Einstein-Cartan torsion field physics as “pseudo-science”…and it turned out that it’s actually a valid and academically respected field of interest and on-going development. You never apologized to her for that, btw, little man.

    Haha – you just proved that you didn’t understand those papers, and you don’t even know it. Funny.

    The Einstein field equation is a very difficult subject to understand, but when you get under the hood, you find that the stress-energy tensor is composed of very simple fundamental physical quantities like energy and pressure and momentum. And some of these quantities can be either positive or negative in value, so they can contribute either a positive or a negative term to the aggregate value of the Einstein stress-energy tensor. Pressure is one such term: pressure can be either positive, or negative (in which case we call it “tension.") Tension thereby contributes a negative component to the value of the stress-energy tensor. All negative components in the stress-energy tensor reduce the rest mass, and therefore the gravitational field, of a body of matter.

    And these papers that you didn’t understand, prove that photonic metamaterials with a triangular microstructure, exhibit tension when activated with THZ radiation. This means that their mass is reduced by these tension components of the stress-energy tensor when they’re energized in this manner. It’s an outstanding question as to the magnitude of that effect: can we engineer a photonic metamaterial to exhibit sufficient tension to detect that mass reduction effect in the lab? That remains to be seen. But is there a viable theoretical mechanism to allow for such a thing in principle? Absolutely: the pressure within activated photonic metamaterials can be either positive or negative, depending on the geometry of their microstructure. And these papers prove it convincingly, which is why the second paper (and both papers are from the same team of specialists in the field) was published in Physical Review A, one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed physics journals on the planet:
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1510/1510.06227.pdf
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1801/1801.00942.pdf

    I’m sorry that you don’t understand physics well enough to debate me on the subject, but you’ve proven again and again that your ego is vastly larger than your knowledge in this area.

    Lol – you thought you’d proven me wrong because I didn’t respond - but that’s only because I had you on Ignore; I generally ignore internet trolls =) And you based your argument on a Wikipedia page!

    I never said that negative matter exists – that’s a purely theoretical idea that was used to explore exotic geometries in general relativity, like wormholes and time machines.

    You simply don’t understand the difference between “negative matter” and “negative mass,"” which are two completely different things. I know it's confusing, but it's an important distinction that the layman frequently fails to understand, so I'll clarify. "Negative matter" aka "exotic matter," is a purely hypothetical form of matter that would have a negative rest mass - if you push on it, it would come toward you...weird stuff. Nobody thinks it's real. "Negative mass," on the other hand, means "a negative value of the Einstein stress tensor." It refers to a condition of positive matter, or energy - as appears to be the case with dark energy. So you can have negative mass without negative matter, but you can't have negative matter without negative mass. That Wikipedia article didn't carefully distinguish between these two ideas, which is why you got confused (and that's one reason why you shouldn't use Wikipedia to research theoretical physics).

    We know for a fact that negative gravitational solutions are physically real in this universe (the dark energy effect proves it – that’s a gravitationally repulsive acceleration). And Dr. Manu Paranjape proved that; A.) the positive energy theorem doesn’t apply to our universe so net negative solutions to the Einstein field equation can exist after all (no negative matter required)[1], and B.) a bubble of positive matter with sufficient surface tension can produce a negative net effective mass in vacuo (this result was so ground-breaking that it got published in Physical Review D, the most prestigious physics journal in the world)[2].
    [1] "On negative mass," Bellet and Paranjape, International Journal of Modern Physics D, 2013
    [2] "Negative mass bubbles in de Sitter spacetime," Mbarek and Paranjape, Physical Review D, 2014

    So negative mass solutions to the Einstein field equation are a real thing, and no negative matter is required. According to the canon of mainstream academic theoretical physics.

    But you argue against it, which proves that you’re a physics crank. See how that works?

    Oh I see: so you’re the hero in this story – saving the unwashed masses from a misinformation campaign that only exists in your own head. How noble! You’re like our very own Don Quixote, valiantly tilting at windmills with your balsa wood sword, protecting us from former DoD officials who are confirming what we already knew (that AAVs operate in our airspace from time to time) and from all of that “crackpot physics” that the mainstream physics journals keep publishing and which point the way to a field propulsion technology that will one day take mankind to the stars.

    Do us all a favor Realm, and spare us your ignorance and self-delusions. You’re not a hero, you’re a phony skeptic troll, and your conclusions are as worthless as the ignorance that they’re based on.

    Also, if we were interested in hearing the views of the cynics at MetaBunk, we'd go there, rather than posting here where people are actually interested in these subjects.
     
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    He's a classic "pseudo skeptic". Lots of hot air. Lots of childish insults and attempts to distract/avoid the real issues. Incredibly transparent. Obviously out of his depth.

    This fascinating story has many twists and turns.. Many unanswered questions, etc. And makes for good debate. But all Realm does is act like a child, offering nothing of substance. Whittering on and on with his hoax nonsense, which ironically is the skeptics becoming the very conspiracy theorists they've mocked for so long, and without even realising! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. So intellectually disingenuous. Is there an option on this forum to block/mute individuals?
     
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    It's good to hear from you --Fin--. Usually we only hear from Hollywood_Tomfortas or S.R.I. or Realm, egging each other on in this thread, because they've made this whole thread so revolting and toxic that most people won't even follow it anymore. We come to this thread, and to The Paracast forums in general, to get new information about stories like this. Not to hear some petulant infants bitch and moan about imaginary conspiracy theories, and act like they've got the final word on objective reality.

    This is a fascinating story, and we'll see more intriguing developments in the months and years ahead, I'm convinced.

    It is sad that so many people have lost the distinction between "skepticism" and "pathologically cynicism." Actual skeptics cull the whole data set dispassionately, and then let the data speak for itself. That's the opposite of what these people are doing: they're starting with a conclusion (i.e." all of this stuff is hogwash!"), and then cherry-picking the data that seems to support their beliefs (or as in this case, disbeliefs). That's not skepticism, and it's not scientific reasoning - it's the exact opposite: it's a rigid system of disbelief that's every bit as ardent and irrational as fundamentalist religious beliefs.

    You can go to any member's profile and hit "Ignore," which I did with him long ago. Unless he's blocked you, or perhaps if he's set his profile to Private (I can't see his profile, so he's done one or the other, or both).
     
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    Thanks for reminding how you couldn't even discern those old Russian torsion scams Constance was trying to spread from the actual physics of Einstein-Cartan:

    See how I once again exposed you for spreading false claims about me? I don't have any reason to apologize Constance who was marketing old scams, but you on the other hand just lied about me. But obviously you won't apologize me, like you haven't done before, you tiny, tiny man.

    Since you can't discern scams from physics, and still can't after all the numerous times I have pointed out the difference between those, it's obviously waste of time trying to talk to you about physics, or really anything. Your mind's just too messed up for that.

    Hilarious example of psychological projection. Remember how you tried to invent conspiracies of Wikipedia and YouTube? Pointing out how that sample was sent by an anonymous hoaxer is not "one big conspiracy", and even your idol Puthoff just stated in that pseudoscientist conference it could be a hoax. But apparently your messed up mind is once again jumping from that hoaxer to everywhere else and you just can't formulate coherent thoughts.

    What is even more hilarious is what you yourself have said about that piece of scrap on numerous occasions:

    So, look at that rubbish that Puthoff just showed now. Who's the one still thinking that could be alien tech?

    Once again, you have made a fool of yourself, demonstrably, as did --Fin-- by swallowing your lies and delusions hook, line, and sinker. It's just history repeating itself. Don't you people ever learn? But I guess the essence of being True Believers is that you don't.
     
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    It's amazing how polarized people are on this story. When active officials start showing us live video, then that will be something to get worked up about. Pilot sightings are interesting and I'm glad they came forward, but for those of us who already know, nothing Elizondo or these pilots have told us is any surprise, and the TTSA is simply trying to market it for all they can while they can. That's fine. But I still tend to echo Clark's sentiments.
     
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    You boldly proclaimed, with no knowledge of physics whatsoever, that “torsion field physics is pseudo-science!” I proved you wrong: Einstein-Cartan torsion field theory is 100% legit academic physics, and quite fascinating actually. We just did a show about it actually, thanks in part to your ignorance of the subject. Thanks, btw =)

    And you still owe Constance an apology, btw – she was interested in a legitimate area of theoretical physics, but was just looking at the wrong papers. You (mistakenly) threw the baby out with the bathwater, because you're a hack, and you’re ridiculously desperate to proclaim everything that you’re unfamiliar with to be “pseudoscience.”

    Look in the mirror buddy; you’re not fooling anybody (but yourself). You don’t know the difference between “physics” and “a good physic” (which I would highly recommend, in your case).

    You mean when I informed your ignorant self of the 2007 results of the WikiScanner, which proved that the intelligence agencies and the FBI were editing Wikipedia? Reuters published an article about that:

    CIA, FBI computers used for Wikipedia edits

    So yeah that was pretty funny; seeing how little you know and how eager you are to pretend otherwise. And if you think that Wikipedia manipulation has stopped, you’re a simpleton. Just recently former UK ambassador Craig Murray uncovered what appears to be a daily Wikipedia editing operation that's been making an average of 30 edits per day, seven days a week, for the last 14 years - I recommend that anyone interested in covert online operations to check out his fascinating findings here:

    The Philip Cross Affair - Craig Murray

    And I actually shared the empirical data which proved beyond any reasonable doubt that YouTube was being astroturfed to bury/obscure the AATIP story, which anyone can see for themselves here:

    The US Counterintelligence Response to News about the Pentagon UFO Program

    It’s kind of amazing how oblivious you are to data and science…and yet you’ve still managed to convince yourself that you’re smarter than everyone else. Somebody should name that pathology, and include it the DSM-6.

    I already said that the source is immaterial – the properties and the structure are all that matters. Which is absolutely true from the scientific standpoint, which you have no comprehension of whatsoever.

    And Puthoff stated that because it was sent in anonymously, that it could have been a hoax. Subsequent tests evidently found exotic characteristics, so apparently is wasn’t a hoax after all. Did you even read the whole interview? On second thought, don’t bother – I don’t care; your opinion is worthless either way.

    If it does exhibit a mass reduction effect under THz radiation exposure, and if it’s composed of atomically aligned extremely thin layers, and it’s composed of nonterrestrial isotopic ratios, as has been claimed by multiple sources now, then it doesn’t matter what it looks like; it’s of extreme scientific interest. How anyone can not get that is hilarious.

    Sure, it looked like industrial residue to me. But apparently it’s a melted piece of an exotic metamaterial, as borne out by a more detailed scientific analysis. Live and learn.

    So funny to see how much work you put in to digging through my old posts though, just to make a moot point =D

    Rational people follow the data. Sometimes that leads to an erroneous conclusion, but it’s better than being a BS-slinging ardent “True Disbeliever” like you are.

    What’s the matter Realm, can’t you cut it over at MetaBunk? The only reason to you post here is to bitch and moan, and nobody here wants to hear it dude.
     
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    So once again you continue lying instead of apologizing, you tiny, tiny man. I'll show you what sort of a liar you are one more time. This is where it started:

    See, Constance was marketing those Russian theories (Einstein-Cartan was proposed by a French mathematician), after which I asked a question, instead of proclaiming something as you lied, after which you confused those two as I already showed, and also referred to Richard Hoagland who has been promoting that pseudoscience.

    So now you have demonstrably lied about me several times. Are you going to apologize, you tiny, tiny man?

    I mean when you made this delusional claim of it being "thoroughly infiltrated with disinformation agents", while you tried to defend another scammer, with false claims of there being no direct quotes, while there in fact was.

    Which I also showed to be your delusional conspiracy theory that was based on false information:
    Pentagon UFO Study - Media Monitoring

    Thanks for reminding us of that blunder of yours as well.

    Since you are still trying to defend that piece of scrap, and trying to pretend you look at it scientifically despite all the evidence to the contrary, why don't you link here the actual scientific results of those analyses? They are not government secrets or anything. Linda Moulton Howe had the material, had it tested, has the results. Or is it so that she hasn't actually published those reports, as if she had something to hide? Just some parts of them, that are less than impressive.

    I not only read that put wrote a blog post about it:

    Hal Puthoff on SSE/IRVA Conference

    And you obviously don't.
     
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    New quick addendum in relation to the USS Nimitz UFO Incident.

    Audio Interview available here:


    Background:
    KGRA
    “Retired Senior Chief Petty Officer Kevin Day. Chief Petty Officer Day and his team who were stationed on the PRINCETON and on duty in the Combat Information Center during the TIC TAC incident tracked the anomalous aircraft for several days using the ship's sophisticated SPY-1 radar system, and also conducted the air-to-air intercepts during the encounter.”

    Also upcoming this Sunday:
    Tic Tac UFO Incident/ Anthropology of the Paranormal - Shows - Coast to Coast AM
    Tic Tac UFO Incident/
    “First Half: Kevin Day is a retired United States Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer, a former Operations Specialist and TOPGUN Air Intercept Controller with more than 20 years’ experience in Strike Group air defense including war-time operations. He joins George Knapp to discuss his experience with the USS PRINCETON's Combat Information Center that discovered the fleets of anomalous air contacts, now known as the TIC TAC UFOs, in the skies above the Southern California Operating Area in November 2004.”

    Best wishes.
     
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