kanakaris
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' In addition, Bigelow Aerospace customized buildings in Las Vegas to store metal and other materials recovered from UFO encounters.'
Is this according to Helene Cooper or Tyler Kokjohn ?
This is some statement.
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From The NY Times: The Pentagon's Secret UFO Program
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Is this according to Helene Cooper or Tyler Kokjohn ?
This is some statement.
Hollywood Tomfortas
Paranormal Adept
ROFL! (Wait, I have to add MAO because it involves all our asses!) What a gobsmacking synchronicity!
This is truly the Riddle of the Sphinx-ter! Who will solve it? Let me try. Let’s all try.
Here goes my interpretation:
Tom DeLonge declares Steven Greer to be an Enema of the State and sentences Steven to undergo one alien abduction probe. Steven is actually OK with the punishment, but is telling the nurse he would much prefer it if Tom DeLonge himself would carry out the sentence.
Hey! Idea! Let’s have a caption contest!
marduk
quelling chaos since 2352BC
I don’t think either thing.
All they’ve disclosed is what has already been disclosed. Some blurry videos of... something. Some eye witness accounts of... something.
At the end of the day, you throw all that on the pile of thousands of the same from all around the world and you’ve added nothing, really.
Except the illusion of transparency.
This is pure narrative control, folks.
marduk
quelling chaos since 2352BC
It is?
What about the battle of Los Angeles? The flyover of Washington?
Nothing happened after that.
I wonder if there’s something happening elsewhere that we’re not supposed to be looking at. I’ve seen it done when we negotiate large contracts - it’s called throwing a rabbit on the field. It’s done to get the attention focused away from where you want it to be.
What else is happening in UFO land?
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Hollywood Tomfortas
Paranormal Adept
You got that right, Marduk! So how about we look at the two Master Narrative Controllers, both within the TTS/AAS.
The one controlling the MACRO-narrative is Peter Levenda, while the one controlling the MICRO-narrative is Jacques Vallee.
SRL+
Paranormal Adept
Good point.
Some who sit on DeLonge’s board have been viewed as somewhat questionable, and to me the alleged alien “metals & material” being stored in Vegas is altogether absurd. Not in mentioning an earthquake-prone environment, and potential biohazards. Beneath Fort Knox, deep within Cheyenne Mt., or perhaps somewhere within a salt dome is where one might contemplate protecting something so coveted.
Additionally, the UAP dilemma is not just regional; it’s global, requiring the cooperation of all governments.
Just like the Roswell slides and Jamie Maussan, I am fairly certain there is no government on the face of this planet that would allow TomCo to break such earth-shattering news. It would likely require a joint statement by the world’s leaders.
BTW, being a board member isn’t necessarily a 24/7 job, as some members may check in with an occasional email or conference call.
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Or it could be boiled frog disclosure, its certainly consistent with that so far.
As for the money, humans monetize everything. It may even play into the free lunch aspect in that people are often suspicious of anything given for free.
Making money from this might be a way of giving it legitimacy especially in a culture that sees that as perfectly normal.
The issue is of course all the money that's gone into obvious fakes and con artists in this genre thus far. That does and should raise red flags for ppl like us who are deeply involved with the topic.
But TTSA isn't aimed at us, its aimed at the general public. Its goal isn't to convince the believers, its aim is to convince the masses.
Latest addition:
Media Index Page updated:
Pentagon UFO Study
Important: Fox News interviewed another pilot that was part of the USS Nimitz UFO Incident.
However, another wasted opportunity to interview those participants with proper investigative questions
Ahhh.
2017-12-23 - Fox News: Watters' World: Interview with pilots David Fravor and Jim Slaight on USS Nimitz UFO Incident
2017-12-23 - Fox News: The Greg Gutfeld Show: Comic Studio Discussion about Pentagon UFO Study
Best wishes.
Media Index Page updated:
Pentagon UFO Study
Important: Fox News interviewed another pilot that was part of the USS Nimitz UFO Incident.
However, another wasted opportunity to interview those participants with proper investigative questions
Ahhh.2017-12-23 - Fox News: Watters' World: Interview with pilots David Fravor and Jim Slaight on USS Nimitz UFO Incident
2017-12-23 - Fox News: The Greg Gutfeld Show: Comic Studio Discussion about Pentagon UFO Study
Best wishes.
Hollywood Tomfortas
Paranormal Adept
“Mein Kampf!” you say? Now that really rings a Nazi Bell, doesn’t it, Marduk? And well it should because the catchword of TTS/AAS is not Disclosure, but instead Sekret Machines! Why is that? And why is the catchword Secret spelled with a K instead of a C? (HINT: Operation Paperclip and Wernher von Braun)
Did you know that Peter Levenda wrote a book in 2012 entitled Ratline which speculates that Adolf Hitler did not die in Berlin in 1945 but rather escaped Germany and lived out his life span in Indonesia, dying in 1970?
Now whatever the merits or demerits of his “narrative control” are, the clear message is that Nazism may have died in 1945 but it quickly reincarnated mainly in the USA as the space program. Is it then any wonder why Tom DeLonge should call his organization “To the Stars?”
Source evidence? Recall the 1960 Hollywood Biopic of former SS-Sturmbannführer Wernher Magnus Maximillian Freiherr von Braun “I Aim at the Stars”
So then might you see Hitler’s Mein Kampf as Reich 3.0, with NASA being Reich 4.0? And then Tom deLonge’s Sekret Machines as Reich 4.0.2?
Mull that over with some German Christmas mulled wine (Glühwein) and consider the possibility that this whole mainstream media Blitzkrieg about disclosure is the front end of a “bait and switch” operation. Disclosure is the “loss leader” placed at the front of the store to draw in the customers who are then sold on something else once they get over being all giddy and lady-gaga about the Bright Shiny Object called “Disclosure.”
Now I’m really craving some Stollen cake. Frohe Weihnachten!
No more Sekrets, right? Yeah, right!!!
https://www.facebook.com/FreeEnergy...741826.192446108025/10155471696448026/?type=3
SRL+
Paranormal Adept
This article is somewhat fresh (unlike 2 yr. old fruitcake) being published on the Dec. 23rd.
Keith A. Spencer is a cover editor at Salon who writes about the politics of science, technology and culture
For anyone curious, the article seems objective & insightful.
A deep dive into the New York Times’ UFO report
Keith A. Spencer is a cover editor at Salon who writes about the politics of science, technology and culture
For anyone curious, the article seems objective & insightful.
A deep dive into the New York Times’ UFO report
Thomas R Morrison
Paranormal Adept
Am I the only one here who’s noticed that we’ve only seen two of the three military UAP clips that have been cleared for public release? After scouring the media for details about the incident involving the two Super Hornet jets from the USS Nimitz, a very compelling picture has emerged that involves highly advanced maneuvering by the object sighted, and I can’t help but wonder if the third video will be the coup de grace that reveals one or more of the really stunning maneuvers reported by the pilots.
We need as much scientific data on these kinds of incidents as possible (the analytical reports we've heard about, radar recordings, information about the trace evidence, etc) so we can determine the nature of the physics and the materials involved.
“As someone with an academic physics background, I’ll tell you upfront that 'Engineering Space-Time Metrics' doesn't mean anything.”
As someone who’s been studying gravitational field propulsion for over 20 years, I can tell you that “metric engineering” is an entire discipline in the field of general relativity, and anyone who professes academic physics expertise, who doesn’t know that, is a hack. The phrase "metric engineering" refers to the theoretical physics of applied general relativity: whether you’re talking about warp field propulsion concepts or wormholes (as Kip Thorne has explored in a many excellent academic papers) or creating closed timelike curves (the Tipler cylinder concept, for example), it’s all about engineering the spacetime metric. Here’s a paper on the subject by the Advanced Propulsion Team Lead for the NASA Engineering Directorate:
“A Discussion of Space-Time Metric Engineering,” General Relativity and Gravitation, Harold White, 2003
“The point is, To the Stars Academy — and Elizondo himself — have a vested interest in Elizondo’s efforts to get the Pentagon to disclose these kinds of programs. That doesn’t make the programs any less real, but it doesn’t mean Elizondo doesn't have a conflict of interest here either.”
No, that’s just “an interest,” not a “conflict of interest.” [Also note the atrocious use of a triple negative in that last sentence.] Luis Elizondo is no longer with the Pentagon, ergo, there’s no conflict of interest. He’s working to get the information out to the public, and the Pentagon has been cooperating by releasing official video footage with the authentication documents. That’s cooperation, not conflict.
“But there is no physical evidence that aliens have visited Earth, just as there’s no physical evidence that intelligent life (or any life) exists elsewhere in the universe. Even purported videos of UFOs tend to depict objects that could ostensibly be human aircraft — none behaves any more strangely than what a Harrier, rocket or drone is capable of.”
Wrong. In just this case alone – the 2004 Nimitz case we’re talking about here, we have two highly trained Navy interceptor Commanders and a formal Pentagon investigation concluding that the observed maneuvers vastly surpassed any known human technology with “beyond next generation capabilities.”
Apparently Keith A. Spencer thinks that his BS in Astrophysics from Oberlin College makes him more qualified to identify advanced aerial devices than our top military pilots and Pentagon military intelligence officials, but he’s obviously overreaching. And anyone can see it: if the objects in those FLIR videos were “a Harrier, rocket or drone” as Mr. Spencer suggests, then we’d see a clear IR signature of the hot plume of combusting jet fuel or rocket fuel. But there isn’t any. Also, these objects were over 20,000ft in altitude, and a Harrier jet can't hover at that height due to the low atmospheric pressure (best estimate I could find is 5,000ft max). And no known man-made aerial craft can pivot forward 90 degrees as we saw in that Gimbal video while continuing in a straight line – it’s not physically possible for a Harrier, rocket, or drone to do that (and of course the profile doesn’t match any of them).
We need as much scientific data on these kinds of incidents as possible (the analytical reports we've heard about, radar recordings, information about the trace evidence, etc) so we can determine the nature of the physics and the materials involved.
I read that article, and it's clearly neither objective nor insightful. It’s just more snarky/cynical dreck from the snarky/cynical writers at Salon. Here are a few quotes from it that prove my point:
“As someone with an academic physics background, I’ll tell you upfront that 'Engineering Space-Time Metrics' doesn't mean anything.”
As someone who’s been studying gravitational field propulsion for over 20 years, I can tell you that “metric engineering” is an entire discipline in the field of general relativity, and anyone who professes academic physics expertise, who doesn’t know that, is a hack. The phrase "metric engineering" refers to the theoretical physics of applied general relativity: whether you’re talking about warp field propulsion concepts or wormholes (as Kip Thorne has explored in a many excellent academic papers) or creating closed timelike curves (the Tipler cylinder concept, for example), it’s all about engineering the spacetime metric. Here’s a paper on the subject by the Advanced Propulsion Team Lead for the NASA Engineering Directorate:
“A Discussion of Space-Time Metric Engineering,” General Relativity and Gravitation, Harold White, 2003
“The point is, To the Stars Academy — and Elizondo himself — have a vested interest in Elizondo’s efforts to get the Pentagon to disclose these kinds of programs. That doesn’t make the programs any less real, but it doesn’t mean Elizondo doesn't have a conflict of interest here either.”
No, that’s just “an interest,” not a “conflict of interest.” [Also note the atrocious use of a triple negative in that last sentence.] Luis Elizondo is no longer with the Pentagon, ergo, there’s no conflict of interest. He’s working to get the information out to the public, and the Pentagon has been cooperating by releasing official video footage with the authentication documents. That’s cooperation, not conflict.
“But there is no physical evidence that aliens have visited Earth, just as there’s no physical evidence that intelligent life (or any life) exists elsewhere in the universe. Even purported videos of UFOs tend to depict objects that could ostensibly be human aircraft — none behaves any more strangely than what a Harrier, rocket or drone is capable of.”
Wrong. In just this case alone – the 2004 Nimitz case we’re talking about here, we have two highly trained Navy interceptor Commanders and a formal Pentagon investigation concluding that the observed maneuvers vastly surpassed any known human technology with “beyond next generation capabilities.”
Apparently Keith A. Spencer thinks that his BS in Astrophysics from Oberlin College makes him more qualified to identify advanced aerial devices than our top military pilots and Pentagon military intelligence officials, but he’s obviously overreaching. And anyone can see it: if the objects in those FLIR videos were “a Harrier, rocket or drone” as Mr. Spencer suggests, then we’d see a clear IR signature of the hot plume of combusting jet fuel or rocket fuel. But there isn’t any. Also, these objects were over 20,000ft in altitude, and a Harrier jet can't hover at that height due to the low atmospheric pressure (best estimate I could find is 5,000ft max). And no known man-made aerial craft can pivot forward 90 degrees as we saw in that Gimbal video while continuing in a straight line – it’s not physically possible for a Harrier, rocket, or drone to do that (and of course the profile doesn’t match any of them).
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SRL+
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William Strathmann
Paranormal Adept
I have no opinion pro or con about the “Gimbal” video.
But, IMHO, to make an authoritative technical analysis of the vid. you need a Raytheon engineer or tech rep that specialized on that FLIR equipment, or a Navy or Marine back-seater who actually used that FLIR, or as a last resort, a Navy or Marine technician that serviced that equipment. IMHO, without actual familiarity with that equipment, comments are speculations.
No offense to Steve Justice, but I do not think he is the right person for the technical analysis. Here.
Steve Justice has been the director of the Georgia Center of Innovation for Aerospace since 2010. He has over 35 years experience in the aerospace industry working for large and small companies including Lockheed Martin, Gulfstream Aerospace, Delta Air Lines, Northrop, and the Ginn Group. He’s also been a part of big projects including the LM C-130J Hercules and F-22 Raptor, the Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber, and the Gulfstream IV business jet. Steve brings industry knowledge and expertise like you won’t find anywhere else. This man is a must-know in Georgia.
So, it looks like he’s probably been on the managerial side of things, and if so, then he might be generally familiar with stuff in the cockpit, but he would lack expertise.
But who knows, maybe he actually did operate this Raytheon FLIR equipment before. Or maybe he did ask some Raytheon expert to provide him an analysis. It would be nice if he’d make that clear.
Thomas R Morrison
Paranormal Adept
That’s a wonderful talk. In fact I have yet to see anything from the Perimeter Institute that isn’t first rate.
But despite her wonderful result with reproducing a de Sitter universe like ours from quantized polygons of spacetime, subsequent cosmological observations have made that approach appear to be unlikely:
https://phys.org/news/2012-08-spacetime-smoother-brew-knew.html
https://phys.org/news/2015-03-einstein-scientists-spacetime-foam.html
In a nutshell, if spacetime gets foamy at small scales, then shorter wavelengths of photons will have a longer distance to travel between two points than larger wavelengths, and therefore, they should take longer to arrive at the Earth than longer wavelengths. But we don’t observe that. Here’s the relevant quote from the second 2015 article:
A more interesting development in recent years has shown that negative values of stress-energy tensor, which are essential for the production of warp drives and wormholes, are in fact physically permissible within accelerating de Sitter universes like our own – and they can be generated by matter with a positive rest mass:
“On negative mass,” Jonathan Belletête & M. B. Paranjape, 2013
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.1566.pdf
“Negative mass bubbles in de Sitter space-time,” Saoussen Mbarek & M. B. Paranjape, 2014
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.1457.pdf
I agree completely – I would love to see an analysis of the Gimbal footage from the Raytheon team who built that ATFLIR system, or a similarly qualified expert, and it’s not clear at all if any specialists in that area consulted with them on the analysis.
However, both videos appear to be using the exact same type of ATFLIR system, and yet there’s no dark halo around the hot object in the FLIR1 video, so it does appear that the dark regions around the Gimbal object indicate a real physical feature of the surrounding atmosphere:
Here are the two videos and their analyses side by side
In any case, the R. Steven Justice at the Georgia COI who once worked for Lockheed back in the 90s appears to be different than the Stephen Justice who recently retired from Lockheed. Here’s the one you found:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-justice-667b214/
https://propulsionenergy.aiaa.org/uploadedFiles/AIAA-PropulsionEnergy_Site/Program/Justice_Bio_short - Feb2017.pdf
And here’s the Steve Justice who wrote the analysis:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-justice-2b168514a/
marduk
quelling chaos since 2352BC
Here’s what the video shows.
A warm thing some distance from the aircraft that appears to maneuvering independently.
That’s it.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
On one hand, your point is perfectly valid, but there's also a flipside.To sort this out we first have to recognize that the Government is like a corporation. It's given a sort of collective status and persona, but it's not in and of itself an entity with it's own consciousness that "knows" anything. It's a vast conglomerate of individuals in segmented departments and agencies, the majority of which have no official involvement with the subject of UFOs. Also, those who have been involved haven't necessarily been in a position to observe real time events, but have been more involved in the analysis of reports.
So in this situation, the argument from authority isn't really applicable because we're not dealing with an issue of authority as much as capability and access to information. Anyone with equivalent access and capability regardless of their authority could be considered equally accountable for disclosure.
For these reasons it's entirely reasonable to believe that certain people in key positions in certain agencies have been better equipped to do real time investigation and have been provided more access to information than people who are not in those positions. The more one thinks about it the more it becomes obvious that in this context, "the Government" must know a lot more than we've been told. But that doesn't necessarily mean elected politicians know any more than the average private citizen. So there you have the two sides to the coin.
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SRL+
Paranormal Adept
Do two separate studies by the same individuals disprove Loll’s research..., perhaps. Do Belletete’s, Paranjape’s, & Mbarek’s research actually prove the existence of the elusive wormhole..., not a chance.
On one different note, when speaking of corporations ....
What to do if one of your corporations suffers a net loss of $422,670? Offer investment opportunities of worthless stock, while enjoying copious quantities of free advertising. … crafty.
“To The Stars, Inc. net losses from 2016 were $422,670.
The primary reason … was a decrease in music sales …
Quote from SEC filing: Thus, until we can generate sufficient cash flows to fund operations, we are depending on raising additional capital through debt and/or equity transactions.”
From the comment section:
“From a former bankers point of view it looks to me like Mr. DeLonge has his fingers in a number of ponzi schemes all in an effort to raise the value of one or more companies so that he can take huge tax write offs from those and apply them to his other businesses that aren't doing so well. It's the old follow the ball under the cup routine, and looks pretty damn shady all around.”
Whether “shady” or legal, it’s arguably inventive.
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Thomas R Morrison
Paranormal Adept
You're missing the point: while Dr. Loll's fascinating work has encountered a serious empirical challenge from subsequent cosmological observations, recent developments in general relativity have eliminated the primary challenge (the positive energy theorem) to metric engineering applications like gravitational field propulsion, which is the leading explanatory model for the behavior of the exotic aerial devices observed by thousands of credible witnesses, including Cmdr. Fravor with the USS Nimitz case that's been making headlines lately.