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Deathbed confession/ Howard Hunt/JFK
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PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
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From what I take by your question, you would like to see what it is we “Think” of both the videos….
Well, let me first explain a few things about myself so that you can better understand my answer.
I consider my Father one of the most intelligent men I have ever known. He was a United States Government Military Agent during the Cold War in Turkey and even though I will probably never know the complete depth of what it is he had to do for his country, I am very proud of knowing he was one of those men who sacrificed it all so that we could enjoy posting this type of information and thus discuss it so freely on the internet today.
That being said, I have always held a personal fascination about the JFK assassination. I am one of those rare people who can truly state that he has read the entire Warren Commission’s report, all 888 pages at least twice now and have spent thousands of hours going over Dealy Plaza, the kill zone, Oswald, an almost every other aspect of this time in history.
Initially, and after all of this tarrying investigative research (my wife still loves me
), I concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was the “lone gunmen” who solely planned and killed JFK from the 6<sup>th</sup> floor of the School Book Depository that fateful day. I hadn’t concluded this based on some radically biased opinion or drastically motivated political point of view, but instead while realizing the simple truth that a supposed conspiracy of this magnitude could never be pulled off without someone having “FACTUAL” evidence to back up the claim that there was a wider planned operation.
And besides, many years ago my Father told me, “Son, Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman, a mad man who solely planned and killed JFK.” He went on to state that the country cannot handle believing that a working class Joe could pull off such a feat….For them there always has to be something more to it, etc.
Now years ago I took my Father’s word as law. The man was a high ranking agent of the United States Government during the time, was obviously privy to information we citizens could only dream of, and besides, The Warren Commission said so!
But then came a phone call I had with him about 3 months ago….A call which set my very jaw line to fall below my ankles…..
My Dad, a man who’s demeanor and actions has always been articulate to the point of anally retentive, calls me one day and says something which ever since has made me wonder about videos such as the two you posted, people like Mary Meyer, puffs of smoke, and yes, LBJ.
He said, “Son, you know something, after all these years I now believe there was a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.”
If you know my Father as I do, you would know this statement was nothing less than an impossibility for him to say. He’s one of those men who when he’s come to a conclusion about something, you could etch it in stone like the Ten Commandments.
After I finally settled down long enough to catch my breath, I remembered who it was I was talking with….This wasn’t any local armchair civilian hell bent on running his mouth for fun. This was an ex agent who was trained in the art of covert activity.
I finally asked him why?
He went on to tell me to watch a movie entitled, “The Parallax View http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071970/.”
The last thing he told me pertaining to this subject was that, “There is a bit of truth to every movie.”
The videos you posted……
I still believe someone made a kill shot from that sixth floor, but honestly my friend, even if it was or wasn’t Oswald, for my Father to change his mind based on all that has transpired since that day long ago; I have to believe there was much much more to it than someone like an Oswald planning and acting alone.
Lastly, for those reading this and continuing to feel as though there was no conspiracy to kill JFK, I respect your opinion....Unfortunately I must now disagree.
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Well, let me first explain a few things about myself so that you can better understand my answer.
I consider my Father one of the most intelligent men I have ever known. He was a United States Government Military Agent during the Cold War in Turkey and even though I will probably never know the complete depth of what it is he had to do for his country, I am very proud of knowing he was one of those men who sacrificed it all so that we could enjoy posting this type of information and thus discuss it so freely on the internet today.
That being said, I have always held a personal fascination about the JFK assassination. I am one of those rare people who can truly state that he has read the entire Warren Commission’s report, all 888 pages at least twice now and have spent thousands of hours going over Dealy Plaza, the kill zone, Oswald, an almost every other aspect of this time in history.
Initially, and after all of this tarrying investigative research (my wife still loves me
), I concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was the “lone gunmen” who solely planned and killed JFK from the 6<sup>th</sup> floor of the School Book Depository that fateful day. I hadn’t concluded this based on some radically biased opinion or drastically motivated political point of view, but instead while realizing the simple truth that a supposed conspiracy of this magnitude could never be pulled off without someone having “FACTUAL” evidence to back up the claim that there was a wider planned operation. And besides, many years ago my Father told me, “Son, Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman, a mad man who solely planned and killed JFK.” He went on to state that the country cannot handle believing that a working class Joe could pull off such a feat….For them there always has to be something more to it, etc.
Now years ago I took my Father’s word as law. The man was a high ranking agent of the United States Government during the time, was obviously privy to information we citizens could only dream of, and besides, The Warren Commission said so!
But then came a phone call I had with him about 3 months ago….A call which set my very jaw line to fall below my ankles…..
My Dad, a man who’s demeanor and actions has always been articulate to the point of anally retentive, calls me one day and says something which ever since has made me wonder about videos such as the two you posted, people like Mary Meyer, puffs of smoke, and yes, LBJ.
He said, “Son, you know something, after all these years I now believe there was a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.”
If you know my Father as I do, you would know this statement was nothing less than an impossibility for him to say. He’s one of those men who when he’s come to a conclusion about something, you could etch it in stone like the Ten Commandments.
After I finally settled down long enough to catch my breath, I remembered who it was I was talking with….This wasn’t any local armchair civilian hell bent on running his mouth for fun. This was an ex agent who was trained in the art of covert activity.
I finally asked him why?
He went on to tell me to watch a movie entitled, “The Parallax View http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071970/.”
The last thing he told me pertaining to this subject was that, “There is a bit of truth to every movie.”
The videos you posted……
I still believe someone made a kill shot from that sixth floor, but honestly my friend, even if it was or wasn’t Oswald, for my Father to change his mind based on all that has transpired since that day long ago; I have to believe there was much much more to it than someone like an Oswald planning and acting alone.
Lastly, for those reading this and continuing to feel as though there was no conspiracy to kill JFK, I respect your opinion....Unfortunately I must now disagree.
vonmazur
Skilled Investigator
The movie is with Warren Beaty and it is "Parallax View"....(two L's)...I was not convinced by the movie, rather by "guard duty" at the LBJ Ranch in 1968....JFK had a neuroblastoma and it was inoperable, (due to steroid abuse), he would have not lived to the '64 election....This was from LBJ's Doctor, a Naval Officer, after a big drinking contest, one of the SS guys said off hand...." JFK, I'll tell you who killed JFK......" He names the usual suspects, Lucien Sarte, EHH, Eugene Hale Brading, John Harrelson, Frank Sturgis, etc etc....( I had never heard of EEH, I thought that he was talking about Nelson Bunker Hunt, the Texas Oil guy!!!) They made us sign a 7 year oath....that was over some time ago.....I hate to give this as some kind of "truth", since it has all been published long ago by this time...
Most importantly, The Admiral could have been giving us a cover story......but Prof. Fetzler got mighty worked up when I brought this up on a local radio show...He was in the studio and was visibly shaken by what I related....so there might be something to this "Legend"....
They did tell us, that any time some operation like this takes place, they "create an onion". Also, they have people who start all kinds of theories just to make it hard to judge the truth, Sound Familiar to us UFO Buffs??
Dale
Most importantly, The Admiral could have been giving us a cover story......but Prof. Fetzler got mighty worked up when I brought this up on a local radio show...He was in the studio and was visibly shaken by what I related....so there might be something to this "Legend"....
They did tell us, that any time some operation like this takes place, they "create an onion". Also, they have people who start all kinds of theories just to make it hard to judge the truth, Sound Familiar to us UFO Buffs??
Dale
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
My thanks for your reply as to the this post, and yes, "Parallax" with two L's is in fact the correct spelling.
By the way....it is "Beatty" with two "t"s.....
As far as the movie itself was concerned, the objective of my Father's was not to have me sit down and believe everything there was to the story itself, but merely to derive some form of truth from a part of thus. In this case I believe it was the Warren "like" Commission, covering up the truth and then placing such a radical emphasis on "finality" within the scope of the investigation's representative importance.
It set me to asking my Dad further questions, some of which surprised the hell out of me, as our ongoing discussion changed radically from there into a walk through by Conspiracy Lane.
Office 4256
Paranormal Novice
I'm a firm believer in a pseudo-governmental conspiracy to kill JFK, but I am also a firm believer in disinformation, from first-hand experience. Therefore, though I hate to place the proverbial turd in the punchbowl; is there some way that the EHH "confession" tape can be positively identified as his voice? I am aware of the source of the tape, but frankly, as an old intelligence hand, that doesn't mean squat.
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
Then there is this...Pretty hard to mask the man when he's live and in color...But there is always room for doubles I guess:
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trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
My two cents: I think the evidence is there for those that will look that shows that LBJ was behind the assassination of JFK and Oswald was a convenient patsy. As a kid growing up my father was a strict Warren Commission guy. After I had spend years looking into this I finally got him to read some key books and go down to the plaza and the museum. It took a while but I finally heard Dad say, "There was no way Oswald could have shot Kennedy." It really didn't set too well with him I think.
My short list of books to read on the subject:
Best Evidence by David Lipton
Texas Connection: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Craig I. Zirbel
Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs
My short list of books to read on the subject:
Best Evidence by David Lipton
Texas Connection: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Craig I. Zirbel
Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs