Dear Diary - Fauci et al

[Burnt State]

Measels are another red herring. Vaxxers shouln't forget that correlation doesn't equal causation — especially for prevention, because one of key factors in determining causation, is that the cause has to preceded the effect. Clearly we see that the decline in measels clearly preceded the arrival of the vaccine.

Once again you present ridiculous evidence that does not reflect the fullness of the disease and how antibiotics, health and nutrition which helped to minimize deaths. However the incidence of measles was still extremely high until the vaccination was introduced.

But the anti vaxxer movement likes to exclude the full scientific picture and instead tries to manipulate data to pretend like vaccinations have no effect. So please by all means disregard the deaths all over the world where there is no vaccination for measles.

And of course you will ignore the following which demonstrates how a lack of vaccination increases the incidence of the disease and has also produced the first deaths from measles in over a decade. If there are any red herrings here it's your charts that disregard the full medical facts of diseases and vaccination.


I think my favourite comment from you was stating that those recent child deaths weren't from measles but some other disease.....which of course is in fact the leading cause of death from measles.

You need to stop and just let go of these false claims and deal with the reality which is vaccination, consistently, in every medical text and commentary is identified as the number one or two most significant discovery in the history of medical science.

Like all conspiracy theorists you are living in a false reality that denies the actual facts and substitutes these with confabulations.

 

[Strategic Deception]

Hey Burnt State, how many covid shots did you receive, and how many times have you caught covid? Zero and zero for me.

 

[Tyger]

Hey, guys, you've hijacked this thread - this thread is for Dr Fauci's Diary and the mis-information Fauci knowingly peddled to the public.

It is not a 'debate' - or back-and-forth really - about the science (which one can easily start up if one is so inclined).

 

[Tyger]

Honestly, these conspiracy posts about vaccines, Fauci, and a bunch of other stuff are utterly ridiculous.

EVERYONE - If you have an interest in what you consider to be vaccine conspiracy theories, please do start up a thread to discuss that - but this thread is dedicated to Dr Fauci's Diary and the mis-information Fauci knowingly peddled to the public.

 

[SRL+]

Once again you present ridiculous evidence that does not reflect the fullness of the disease and how antibiotics, health and nutrition which helped to minimize deaths. However the incidence of measles was still extremely high until the vaccination was introduced.

But the anti vaxxer movement likes to exclude the full scientific picture and instead tries to manipulate data to pretend like vaccinations have no effect. So please by all means disregard the deaths all over the world where there is no vaccination for measles.

And of course you will ignore the following which demonstrates how a lack of vaccination increases the incidence of the disease and has also produced the first deaths from measles in over a decade. If there are any red herrings here it's your charts that disregard the full medical facts of diseases and vaccination.


I think my favourite comment from you was stating that those recent child deaths weren't from measles but some other disease.....which of course is in fact the leading cause of death from measles.

You need to stop and just let go of these false claims and deal with the reality which is vaccination, consistently, in every medical text and commentary is identified as the number one or two most significant discovery in the history of medical science.

Like all conspiracy theorists you are living in a false reality that denies the actual facts and substitutes these with confabulations.

I'm just wondering when and if there will truly be a stupidity/ignorance vaccine? Seemingly, there's an epidemic of stupidity/ignorance traveling about.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

I'm just wondering when and if there will truly be a stupidity/ignorance vaccine? Seemingly, there's an epidemic of stupidity/ignorance traveling about

 

[Burnt State]

Hey Burnt State, how many covid shots did you receive, and how many times have you caught covid? Zero and zero for me.

I followed about three cycles of COVID with boosters. It was the first time I've been so free of flus and colds in general, but then there's something to be said for having drastically minimal social contact and walking around masked, as many do around the world, as basic preventions against transmissions. But then after that I stopped for a bit and then last year I did a flu and covid shot, and it's been another good year. I know there's a lot of guesswork into creating vaccines for the following flu season but even if they're 1/3 right your immune system does get that boost.

Now to be honest, I am also a very firm believer in developing the best possible natural independent immune system you can. That's probably why I slacked for a period, when COVID was literally down to just sniffles and a fever. When walking amongst the herd unmasked germs travel freely and we can become stronger from this.

But i know that with specific diseases, along with new viral flu strains, our immune systems benefit greatly from those vaccinations. It is absolutely life saving for the family and friends I know who are immunocompromised and would otherwise have their lives threatened if they received that kind of disease. It's science and it's a real. It's not perfect but it reduces deaths incredibly. I'll probably do another round of both next year.

 

[Burnt State]

EVERYONE - If you have an interest in what you consider to be vaccine conspiracy theories, please do start up a thread to discuss that - but this thread is dedicated to Dr Fauci's Diary and the mis-information Fauci knowingly peddled to the public.

I think that any individual responsible for managing a public crisis as severe in magnitude as COVID was could have their diaries used to attack them. The private thoughts of how one is trying to manage a crisis, where science and facts are fluid, and you're trying to work with other public representatives to create life saving change means that what's written is going to get rewritten over and over again.

You could literally do this to any individual who ever held public office during a crisis in public office by deconstructing their private life or their thoughts about how to manage a massively complex public event where again, what you really want to do, as a public servant, is to save as many lives as possible. I find this attacking of this individual to be entirely politically motivated, as have all the hirings and firings of people in critical public personnel positions, along with those being discounted for their gender and race. It's reprehend imho.

I find all this Fauci talk to be rather droll and more aligned with conservatives who promoted quacks like that David Sorenson who co-wrote the conspiracy paper, COVID Death Totals, recently posted here. He's the same one who promoted the notion that COVID was designed by the global elite to dramatically depopulate the earth.

For me it's all up there with the whole notion that the election was a fraud and stolen and January 6 rioters, who contributed to violence against public servants and threatened the general safety of the public, can get a pardon and given some cash and a cake to go.


I'm in awe, literally with what is happening in America. You were so progressive and leading the way with upholding the concept of what liberty truly means in its balancing of meeting the needs of so many different people. And now it's all gone backwards, and frankly a little weird.

Wasn't the whole UFc fight thing at the White House more than slightly adolescent? Was it supposed to be a revival of the Roman gladiator age? For the loss of 30 million dollars who got billed in the role of the Christians being fed to the lions? Ice Ice baby.

 

[Tyger]

I think that any individual responsible for managing a public crisis as severe in magnitude as COVID was could have their diaries used to attack them. The private thoughts of how one is trying to manage a crisis, where science and facts are fluid,

COVID was not 'severe in magnitude' - it had a readily available and inexpensive medicine on the shelves - we didn't even need a vaccine. He knew it and squashed it so that the vaccine - which is what he was about - could be rolled out unhindered. Its a huge scandal. No one individual should have had an ability to issue such mandates - not in the US. Against all our norms.

Again, @Burnt State - are you reading or watching anything regarding the issues being raised by what Fauci was reporting in his diary?

One particular glaring item: people were forbidden 'to gather' even in their houses yet Fauci was privately 'gathering' all the time, having social engagements etc.

Fauci did not allow people to 'congregate' in churches, yet 'congregating in the streets' to riot was totally fine. But sitting alone on the beach next to no one within a half mile could be policed with Fauci's blessings. Insanity. Strange authoritarian vibes.

It was a decidedly weird time which must never be repeated. At least here in the US. Maybe you're okay with it being repeated in Canada but not here in the US. Fauci abused his power. It's clear we can never allow a single individual to wield such unitary medical power over the population again, precisely because the science and facts are always fluid.

What took place during Covid was chilling - people were driven into fear so profound they betrayed family, even spouses. The below quote from Hannah Arendt is relevant - the population of the West had been prepared for 'terror' with all the gender/pronoun nonsense preceding the 'pandemic', where a human being can be battered into saying (if not quite believing) that a man can bear a child and a woman cannot be defined and men should be addressed as she if asked and a woman as he - that the castrating of children is morally defensible. Pure insanity. A psyops of massive proportions. And it's rooted in believing 'the experts'. That the commissar (authority) will tell us what is true, what to think - the 'peer reviewed' papers. Marxist thought right down to the nub. Nothing to do with free-thinking science.

"Where True and False Stop Mattering — total power doesn't just want obedience. It wants the inside. Its ideal subject isn't the fanatic, but the person for whom the line between fact and fiction has dissolved. You don't need people to believe the lie. Only to stop believing anything at all."

Hannah Arendt: "Ordinary tyranny wants your obedience. It silences you, it frightens you, but it leaves your inner world more or less intact - you may think what you like, so long as you keep quiet. Total domination wants more than that. It wants the inside. It runs on two engines: terror, which isolates every person until no one will act with anyone else - and an ideology, a single idea that claims to explain all of history, past and future with airtight logic, so that no fact can ever contradict it.

"And here is the most important sentence I can give you: The ideal subject of such a regime is not the fanatic - not the true believer who burns with conviction. It is the person for whom the difference between fact and fiction, between true and false, has simply stopped existing. The one who no longer trusts with their own eyes what they saw over what they have been told. Once enough people reach that state anything becomes possible, because there is no longer any solid ground from which to say: that is a lie. You do not have to make people believe the lie, you only have to wear them down until they no longer believe anything at all. Exhaustion, not conviction, is the goal.

"So let me name the soil all of this grows in. One word: Loneliness. And I mean something exact by it - not solitude, which is being alone with yourself and your own own thinking, a thing every good mind needs. Loneliness is the opposite. It is being deserted by everyone, including, finally, yourself - cut off so complete;y that you lose the inner companion that thinking provides. Terror needs that condition. It cannot rule people who are still genuinely connected to one another, who still act together. So its first task is always to drive them apart, until each person stands alone and therefore powerless."

 

[kanakaris]

Honestly, these conspiracy posts about vaccines, Fauci, and a bunch of other stuff are utterly ridiculous. The internet is the world's biggest rumor mill. If you're really interested in accurate information about scientific research and data, there are a wealth of vettted research papers and documents one can refer too. It takes time and effort to read them and familiarize yourselves with the language and concepts of actual science. Are there spurious research papers? Sure. But the preponderance of scientific research is done by honest, serious, dedicated professionals who spend their lives learning and honing their research skills. But thanks to the anti-intellectual, anti-science administration these people are vilified and now Pulic Enemy No. 2, after the press designated Public Enemy No.1. But if you're so suspicious and paranoid that nothing seems legit to you except the postings of "Q" etc., then it's your choice. If you don't want to get / believe in vaccines, then don't. I've waded through enough of this conspiracy stuff to come to the conclusion that much of it is inane, but hey that's what works for me. I'm old so I don't care if anyone thinks I'm full of it. Don't mean to insult anyone, trying to wake y'all up and stop wasting your precious life down these dead end rabbit holes.

Honestly, these conspiracy posts about vaccines, Fauci, and a bunch of other stuff are utterly ridiculous. The internet is the world's biggest rumor mill. If you're really interested in accurate information about scientific research and data, there are a wealth of vettted research papers and documents one can refer too. It takes time and effort to read them and familiarize yourselves with the language and concepts of actual science. Are there spurious research papers? Sure. But the preponderance of scientific research is done by honest, serious, dedicated professionals who spend their lives learning and honing their research skills. But thanks to the anti-intellectual, anti-science administration these people are vilified and now Pulic Enemy No. 2, after the press designated Public Enemy No.1. But if you're so suspicious and paranoid that nothing seems legit to you except the postings of "Q" etc., then it's your choice. If you don't want to get / believe in vaccines, then don't. I've waded through enough of this conspiracy stuff to come to the conclusion that much of it is inane, but hey that's what works for me. I'm old so I don't care if anyone thinks I'm full of it. Don't mean to insult anyone, trying to wake y'all up and stop wasting your precious life down these dead end rabbit holes.

Honestly, these conspiracy posts about vaccines, Fauci, and a bunch of other stuff are utterly ridiculous. The internet is the world's biggest rumor mill. If you're really interested in accurate information about scientific research and data, there are a wealth of vettted research papers and documents one can refer too.

Honestly, these conspiracy posts about vaccines, Fauci, and a bunch of other stuff are utterly ridiculous. The internet is the world's biggest rumor mill. If you're really interested in accurate information about scientific research and data, there are a wealth of vettted research papers and documents one can refer too. It takes time and effort to read them and familiarize yourselves with the language and concepts of actual science. Are there spurious research papers? Sure. But the preponderance of scientific

No kidding. Vaccines are at the core of medical, scientific history. Along with germ theory and antibiotics they mark a major revolution forward keeping people alive.

Trying to make the argument that vaccines are a cult is entirely ridiculous on the face of it. If it wasn't for these early scientists who worked hard to discover cures and preventions for diseases people would still be dying from these basic diseases.

FYI Major Milestones in Vaccine History

• The world's first successful vaccine was developed in 1796 by the English physician Edward Jenner to protect against smallpox. Jenner famously noticed that dairymaids who caught cowpox (a mild virus) never caught the deadly smallpox virus. To test this, he scraped matter from a milkmaid's cowpox sore and inoculated a young boy. When later exposed to smallpox, the boy remained completely healthy, proving the concept of immunity.
• 1881–1885: Louis Pasteur develops the first lab-created, live-attenuated vaccines for anthrax and rabies.
• 1896: Scientists create the first inactivated vaccines to protect against bacterial threats like typhoid and cholera.
• 1948: The DTP vaccine combines shots for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis into a single routine childhood immunization.
• 1954: Jonas Salk and his team develop the first killed-virus vaccine to successfully combat polio.
• 1980: The World Health Organization officially declares smallpox completely eradicated worldwide.
• 2020: The rapid deployment of mRNA technology leads to the first approved vaccine for COVID-19.

I find the conspiracy attempts to redefine this rich history with false science to be patently pathetic, and is ultimately dangerous. All conspiracies have their own cult followers and preachers, from Pizzagate to the Heaven's Gate cult. Make no mistake about it, these false beliefs systems are ultimately lethal. Getting your dose of reality from Facebook or Alex Jones is just not healthy.

Spot-on. But watch out, soon the con artist RFK Jr will be presented as an expert on the matter.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

COVID was not 'severe in magnitude' - it had a readily available and inexpensive medicine on the shelves - we didn't even need a vaccine. He knew it and squashed it so that the vaccine - which is what he was about - could be rolled out unhindered. Its a huge scandal. No one individual should have had an ability to issue such mandates - not in the US. Against all our norms.

Again, @Burnt State - are you reading or watching anything regarding the issues being raised by what Fauci was reporting in his diary?

One particular glaring item: people were forbidden 'to gather' even in their houses yet Fauci was privately 'gathering' all the time, having social engagements etc.

Fauci did not allow people to 'congregate' in churches, yet 'congregating in the streets' to riot was totally fine. But sitting alone on the beach next to no one within a half mile could be policed with Fauci's blessings. Insanity. Strange authoritarian vibes.

It was a decidedly weird time which must never be repeated. At least here in the US. Maybe you're okay with it being repeated in Canada but not here in the US. Fauci abused his power. It's clear we can never allow a single individual to wield such unitary medical power over the population again, precisely because the science and facts are always fluid.

What took place during Covid was chilling - people were driven into fear so profound they betrayed family, even spouses. The below quote from Hannah Arendt is relevant - the population of the West had been prepared for 'terror' with all the gender/pronoun nonsense preceding the 'pandemic', where a human being can be battered into saying (if not quite believing) that a man can bear a child and a woman cannot be defined and men should be addressed as she if asked and a woman as he - that the castrating of children is morally defensible. Pure insanity. A psyops of massive proportions. And it's rooted in believing 'the experts'. That the commissar (authority) will tell us what is true, what to think - the 'peer reviewed' papers. Marxist thought right down to the nub. Nothing to do with free-thinking science.

"Where True and False Stop Mattering — total power doesn't just want obedience. It wants the inside. Its ideal subject isn't the fanatic, but the person for whom the line between fact and fiction has dissolved. You don't need people to believe the lie. Only to stop believing anything at all."

Hannah Arendt: "Ordinary tyranny wants your obedience. It silences you, it frightens you, but it leaves your inner world more or less intact - you may think what you like, so long as you keep quiet. Total domination wants more than that. It wants the inside. It runs on two engines: terror, which isolates every person until no one will act with anyone else - and an ideology, a single idea that claims to explain all of history, past and future with airtight logic, so that no fact can ever contradict it.

"And here is the most important sentence I can give you: The ideal subject of such a regime is not the fanatic - not the true believer who burns with conviction. It is the person for whom the difference between fact and fiction, between true and false, has simply stopped existing. The one who no longer trusts with their own eyes what they saw over what they have been told. Once enough people reach that state anything becomes possible, because there is no longer any solid ground from which to say: that is a lie. You do not have to make people believe the lie, you only have to wear them down until they no longer believe anything at all. Exhaustion, not conviction, is the goal.

"So let me name the soil all of this grows in. One word: Loneliness. And I mean something exact by it - not solitude, which is being alone with yourself and your own own thinking, a thing every good mind needs. Loneliness is the opposite. It is being deserted by everyone, including, finally, yourself - cut off so complete;y that you lose the inner companion that thinking provides. Terror needs that condition. It cannot rule people who are still genuinely connected to one another, who still act together. So its first task is always to drive them apart, until each person stands alone and therefore powerless."

You do read some nonsense on the internet and in these forums. Thanks for your contribution.

 

[Squirrel]

Medical secretary Jummai Nache, who lost her legs and use of her hands days after her mandated COVID shot:


-- Squirrel

 

[Tyger]

For me it's all up there with the whole notion that the election was a fraud and stolen and January 6 rioters, who contributed to violence against public servants and threatened the general safety of the public, can get a pardon and given some cash and a cake to go.

@Burnt State You are clearly listening to the wrong news outlets. Mainstream by any chance? Canadian news? Even US news?

Are you aware that Hillary Clinton said the 2016 election she lost was a fraud, was stolen? How she figured Trump did the stealing is beyond me. She was pounding the pavement with that for years - with no evidence to back up the claim. Yet no one made an issue of her outcries. Why?

But the 2020 election smelt rotten from the get-go - with clear evidence of election shenanigans, yet Trump was a sore-loser?

Trump did not 'contribute to violence against public servants and threaten the general safety of the public' - just listen to his full speech. Have you read about what we now know - we knew it then but it was quashed by a very corrupt committee - about the FBI operatives in the crowd, the doors being opened, 'rioters' being led in and directed where to go ... all on tape, all recorded. What part Pelosi played in the whole show. Wild stuff. Corrupt stuff - but never given air time. I won't even go into the 'terror' that was inflicted on US citizens by the congressional committee. They most definitely deserved pardons - they had suffered enough for whatever infractions they had committed - their whole lives had been destroyed for the sake of a psyop. Thankfully they were given cash - it was the least we could do to make up for the kangaroo court they were put through.

Wasn't the whole UFc fight thing at the White House more than slightly adolescent?

Not your cup of tea. The display of manliness was more my cup of tea than Biden parading 'Transgender Queer Queens' on the White House Lawn in front of children - or giving over the whole White House Christmas Decorations to LGBTQ+ dancers. Not my world. The wrestling matches speak to far more Americans than what Biden brought.

I'm in awe, literally with what is happening in America. You were so progressive and leading the way with upholding the concept of what liberty truly means in its balancing of meeting the needs of so many different people. And now it's all gone backwards, and frankly a little weird.

'Progressive'? Far from it - all that progressive 'woke' stuff was a subvert Marxist 'capture' - when the schools got closed with the covid business and parents started seeing what curriculum teachers were delivering - there was an uproar. We've been pushing against it all ever since. Trump is our deliverance from insanity back to sanity. We now know how corrupt the US has been in spreading the 'progressive' agenda via USAID. Naught to do with American values.

We've never 'balanced the needs of so many different peoples'. If you think that, you misunderstand the American system. People have always been expected to come up to American standards, not the reverse. We are not a socialist country though there is now a considerable part of the population that strongly believes we give our taxes to the government to give hand-outs to people. The country has been corrupted since the 1960s and the advent of the welfare state (Great Society).

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Spot-on. But watch out, soon the con artist RFK Jr will be presented as an expert on the matter.

 

[Squirrel]

Hey Burnt State, how many covid shots did you receive, and how many times have you caught covid? Zero and zero for me.

Ditto here.

 

[Squirrel]

I'm just wondering when and if there will truly be a stupidity/ignorance vaccine? Seemingly, there's an epidemic of stupidity/ignorance traveling about.

I would say willingly taking vaccines which did NOT undergo the usual (according to Fauci and others) TEN YEAR testing protocol, would indeed prove there is an epidemic of stupidity travelling about.

And it CONTINUES, as we hear in the news that there are other NOT-TEN-YEAR-TESTED vaccines being promoted and willingly taken by some.

-- Squirrel

 

[Squirrel]

I followed about three cycles of COVID with boosters. It was the first time I've been so free of flus and colds in general, but then there's something to be said for having drastically minimal social contact and walking around masked, as many do around the world, as basic preventions against transmissions. But then after that I stopped for a bit and then last year I did a flu and covid shot, and it's been another good year. I know there's a lot of guesswork into creating vaccines for the following flu season but even if they're 1/3 right your immune system does get that boost.

Now to be honest, I am also a very firm believer in developing the best possible natural independent immune system you can. That's probably why I slacked for a period, when COVID was literally down to just sniffles and a fever. When walking amongst the herd unmasked germs travel freely and we can become stronger from this.

But i know that with specific diseases, along with new viral flu strains, our immune systems benefit greatly from those vaccinations. It is absolutely life saving for the family and friends I know who are immunocompromised and would otherwise have their lives threatened if they received that kind of disease. It's science and it's a real. It's not perfect but it reduces deaths incredibly. I'll probably do another round of both next year.

One factor which may (I don't have proof at this time) may cause some people to have great outcomes and others personal disasters are quite a few reports over time that vaccines in general are not always the same version as the one which passed testing.

One estimate (not proven, but I listen anyway) for COVID was that the actual vaccines given were:

6% the actual as-tested vaccine
44% a much-weakened version
50% saline (no vaccine at all)

There have been other news items where VIP people get weaker or no shot at all during urgent situations. I remember a major news item about the German military receiving "much cleaner" shots than German civilians a few years back.

I've heard reports that legislative bodies like the American Congress did not require COVID shots for their members, their staff, and their families.

Ditto for workers at vaccine factories.

Somebody obviously knew something the rest of us did not.

While these are not yet accepted as proven, there are enough stories like these that investigating seems like a good idea before acting on faith in "the science."

Lots of news items have reported faulty science over the centuries.

Being a scientist does not prevent that person from also harbouring criminal behaviour.

For health purposes, I feel we should be just as skeptical of "the science" as any other field.

-- Squirrel

 

[Tyger]

I would say willingly taking vaccines which did NOT undergo the usual (according to Fauci and others) TEN YEAR testing protocol, would indeed prove there is an epidemic of stupidity travelling about.

And it CONTINUES, as we hear in the news that there are other NOT-TEN-YEAR-TESTED vaccines being promoted and willingly taken by some.

-- Squirrel

This in itself was a red flag. You don't have to have much science to know how wrong this was - that they were not even following their own protocols.

 

[Tyger]

One factor which may (I don't have proof at this time) may cause some people to have great outcomes and others personal disasters are quite a few reports over time that vaccines in general are not always the same version as the one which passed testing.

One estimate (not proven, but I listen anyway) for COVID was that the actual vaccines given were:

6% the actual as-tested vaccine
44% a much-weakened version
50% saline (no vaccine at all)

There have been other news items where VIP people get weaker or no shot at all during urgent situations. I remember a major news item about the German military receiving "much cleaner" shots than German civilians a few years back.

While these are not yet proven, there are enough stories like these that investigating seems like a good idea before acting on faith in "the science."

Being a scientist does not prevent that person from also harbouring criminal behaviour.

-- Squirrel

@Squirrel I would be interested in listening to whatever podcast or interview you listened to that spoke of these things.

I will say that in my own personal experience I never had any fear of covid. I started with the pandemic in early 2020 in Los Angeles - there were certainly wild stories being told about outbreaks in northern Italy, and it was through my brief encounter with someone who had just flown in from northern Italy that I think I got it, though I'll never really know because I never tested myself. Be it said, he claimed to have covid, and his daughter got covid, so I assume I got covid - and all it was was a mild flu with some strange aspects to it that lingered for 6 weeks. It was odd - not a normal flu at all. There was wild reporting of the intubation machines - or whatever they were - and not enough supplies - and people dying in hospitals alone. Talk about scare-mongering - I saw the effect. People were really driven into states of fear. At no time did I fear - I didn't wash my groceries - didn't wear a mask unless I was forced to - so much craziness. People even refusing to go to a park to sit 6 ft away from each other for an in-person chat - nope.

That summer I moved to Nevada. A male friend's wife was a nurse and told what to me was an eerie story - of the whole hospital being set up for a massive influx of covid patients - tents set up outside with beds - and .... crickets. Nothing. No massive outbreak with people needing hospitalization. Just a lot of media hype getting churned out - describing the plot of a far distant film playing off somewhere. I knew no one that died. Knew no one who suffered unduly. It was a mild flu. I had a flu in the early 90s I thought I'd die from - probably wished I would die - I mean bona-fide flu both ends - nasty, nasty bug, and flus I got in the 70s the same, but covid was nothing. even the iterations that came later though I never knew for sure what I had because I never did the test.

I never vaccinated because I just never have done that kind of thing. It's not a religion with me, not pro or con, until the mandate came down and then I said hold-the-phone, nobody tells me what to do. Then I knew something was afoot. Something wasn't right.

So many red flags - take the shot and need a booster in 1 to 3 months? And then again ... and then again .... hmmm ....

 

[Tyger]

There have been other news items where VIP people get weaker or no shot at all during urgent situations. I remember a major news item about the German military receiving "much cleaner" shots than German civilians a few years back.

I've heard reports that legislative bodies like the American Congress did not require COVID shots for their members, their staff, and their families.

Ditto for workers at vaccine factories.

@Squirrel I'm glad I went back in the posts - you must have edited your post to include this. From what I've read Biden didn't exclude them, he just didn't have the authority to include them in his mandate the same way he did have authority over Executive Branch employees.

I came across that there was no mandate for migrants or undocumented migrants to receive COVID-19 vaccines. Strange that one.

Found no validation about vaccine factory workers - though would migrants or undocumented migrants be involved in that area? I did see the caveat mentioned several times: US factories. So does that mean that non-US factory workers were not required to get vaccinated?

I've never heard about VIP exemptions but I can guess it might well be so. I do know as fact that in Germany there were doctors that would give a saline shot (no vax at all as you mentioned) and sign the required paperwork in the affirmative.

Reading up on all this I was reminded of how disruptive the mandate was in the US. There were nurses and doctors and teachers and fire fighters and so many others who lost their livelihoods because they would not comply. (Not to mention small businesses that had to close with the lockdowns - the loss of wealth - what a mess those Fauci lockdowns were - should never have happened).