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David Huggins & Jim Moseley (Nov 15th 2009)

I'm afraid my sceptical (UK spelling) side comes to the fore when someone claims, as Huggins did, not to have been scared during an encounter with non-human beings. How the hell could anyone not be? And that's not me being judgmental - I'm talking as an experiencer of paranormal phenomena.

Another red flag for me, is the fact that Huggins seems to have been immersed in a melting pot of practically every other abduction/contactee story ever told. It's like he read everything by Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs, absorbed it all by osmosis, and built his own reality with what he ingested. OK, I could understand someone finding some commonality with the experiences of others, but to have experienced virtually every reported aspect of the abduction phenomenon? To me, that's an almighty red flag. As I said in an earlier post, I just feel very sad for Huggins, as I believe there are medical issues underlying his whole account.
 
I will share some truth with you, Irishseeker. I saw this being back in 1967. And it was the same for me as it was for you (and your relatives). When I saw this being depicted in the film "Communion", I knew without doubt that Mr. Strieber, and the story he told had truth within it as there was no possible way the entity that engaged me in 1967 could be depicted in the film so accurately without it being "experienced". None.

I will add that this is a somewhat toned down version of what -I- encountered (or encountered me). The skin was darker, purplish and almost iridescent (like a black beetles exoskeleton) and there was a distinct "fierceness" to the face, more so than that depicted below. Not that it was emotionally fierce in essence, but we often don't have a choice as to our appearance. Also note-this entity is a little over three feet tall.

I'm pleased you can consider and understand where I'm coming from....can I prove this?...no. Do I need to?...no. Will someone out there get something out of this...I believe so.

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Thanks Jonah for telling your story. Jonah i have never seen beings and if i said otherwise i would not be telling the truth. The story was told to me by my relatives only. The beings they saw had a height around three to four feet My uncle said it was ugly and wriggly and there was four of them. How many where in your Experience? They all had hoods over there heads and there was a white light in the room. People are naturally going to think bullshit, this was a trick of the mind or an illusion of some kind. I belief them and i do mind people questioning it, at the end of the day what does it change? life goes on.

Jonah to other issues. But Huggins do you really believe him? The story of beings coming into peoples room, might sound strange to most people and we have to accept that.The difference i think you must be aware of this, your a smart guy. Is the story itself and what he is telling us. Alien babies, travelling through walls to another world, meeting a number of aliens. Why him? what so special about him? He never got an answer or wanted one. That makes no sense.
 
Thanks Jonah for telling your story. Jonah i have never seen beings and if i said otherwise i would not be telling the truth. The story was told to me by my relatives only. The beings they saw had a height around three to four feet My uncle said it was ugly and wriggly and there was four of them. How many where in your Experience? They all had hoods over there heads and there was a white light in the room. People are naturally going to think bullshit, this was a trick of the mind or an illusion of some kind. I belief them and i do mind people questioning it, at the end of the day what does it change? life goes on.

I understand the experience with these particular entities was not your own Irish. You wrote earlier:

They could not have know this beforehand or be privy to that information. I did not even know Whitley had this experience with this beings until this year myself. This being is never discussed or there is very little discussion about this being. I wonder why?
This similarity is what I was trying to express. They "could not have known", and yet, they had a common experience. FWIW, I've taken a keen interest in this type over the years, and they are on my radar. Cases that reference this type include Peter Khoury (Hair of the Alien), John Velez (featured on Nova's "Kidnapped by Aliens") Jim G. (A Praying Mantis Account) etc etc. I think Huggins describes this type as well, although he mentioned they were "hairy". Many of these descriptions often include an appearance by the Mantis entity as well. I'll include here Whitley S.. Most people fail to realize that the entity found on the cover of "Communion" is a stylized version of this type. Towards the end of the film, in what I call the "Chinese Box" scene, there is a sequence whereby Whitley proceeds to remove the entities mask..

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"It is a Chinese box, and you're not going to allowed to see. OK? So just get that clear."

I think Mac Tonnies got this as well...I could go on about blue doctors but maybe another thread eh?

Jonah to other issues. But Huggins do you really believe him? The story of beings coming into peoples room, might sound strange to most people and we have to accept that.The difference i think you must be aware of this, your a smart guy. Is the story itself and what he is telling us. Alien babies, travelling through walls to another world, meeting a number of aliens. Why him? what so special about him? He never got an answer or wanted one. That makes no sense.

I suspect Mr. Huggins has had experiences. I suspect he is trying to relay what he believes they were to the best of his ability. Is there some confabulation or misunderstanding? I suspect there is. As far as him being of a mind to "ask questions" or seek answers, I don't find that to be extremely pertinent or a storykiller. Who knows what controls might have been applied to him. Why him? I have no clue. Neither does he. I find him as honestly mystified as the rest of us, which is how I think "they" wish it to be and remain to be.

I suppose my posts may seem a defense of Mr. Huggins, and maybe that's what they are. I'd rather see them as rebuttals to what I find are weak arguments for dismissing him.
 
I freakin' love listening to Jim Moseley. I particularly like it when he and Gene talk about old school ufology. The guy is a fountain of entertaining stories- and I love the way he tells them. His accent is kinda like William Burroughs. Anyway, I couldn't make it through this episode. Perhaps I was biased by looking at this thread first. I listened to around the first fifteen or twenty minutes and that was enough for me. Bummer, because I really like listening to Moseley.
 
I understand the experience with these particular entities was not your own Irish. You wrote earlier:

This similarity is what I was trying to express. They "could not have known", and yet, they had a common experience. FWIW, I've taken a keen interest in this type over the years, and they are on my radar. Cases that reference this type include Peter Khoury (Hair of the Alien), John Velez (featured on Nova's "Kidnapped by Aliens") Jim G. (A Praying Mantis Account) etc etc. I think Huggins describes this type as well, although he mentioned they were "hairy". Many of these descriptions often include an appearance by the Mantis entity as well. I'll include here Whitley S.. Most people fail to realize that the entity found on the cover of "Communion" is a stylized version of this type. Towards the end of the film, in what I call the "Chinese Box" scene, there is a sequence whereby Whitley proceeds to remove the entities mask..

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"It is a Chinese box, and you're not going to allowed to see. OK? So just get that clear."

I think Mac Tonnies got this as well...I could go on about blue doctors but maybe another thread eh?



I suspect Mr. Huggins has had experiences. I suspect he is trying to relay what he believes they were to the best of his ability. Is there some confabulation or misunderstanding? I suspect there is. As far as him being of a mind to "ask questions" or seek answers, I don't find that to be extremely pertinent or a storykiller. Who knows what controls might have been applied to him. Why him? I have no clue. Neither does he. I find him as honestly mystified as the rest of us, which is how I think "they" wish it to be and remain to be.

I suppose my posts may seem a defense of Mr. Huggins, and maybe that's what they are. I'd rather see them as rebuttals to what I find are weak arguments for dismissing him.

Thanks for those cases you outlined, i am aware of Peter Khoury experiences. The other cases i will have to look up and read.I have not seen the movie you have here. I will have to watch it on YouTube to get a clear picture of what you have wrote here and reply later. I have seen a few interviews with Whitley and what put me off him was, one was of twelve segments of audio where he was discussing his book the "Greys"

If you have the time have a listen. It was just him speaking and for me what he said was mostly fiction. For me, some of the experiences he wrote about are real, but where they his own? or they did he steal the information of someone else or some other people.It weird, he was a horror author after all.

Well i am still not sure Jonah. Huggins has so much going on in his experiences, that for me i have to question. The stories, he told are lacking clarity and understanding. Maybe he is like Whitley, had a few experiences, but over time he has expanded on his story. Some parts are real and some parts are not. It makes you wonder do experiences effect people's sanity over time.
 
Gen, nice to see you here again...

Huggins is indeed a very nice man, but I don't buy a word of his story, and the reason should be obvious to anyone who actually listened to the episode. There's one key question I asked him - a very simple one - and his answer was the clear evidence that his experiences are NOT objectively real. When you are supposedly involved in intimate sexual relations with someone over a period of many years, you notice how they smell. End of story. Forget all of the other many fallacies of his claims - he never asked them what they heck was going on, he never expressed remorse for not having more access to his many children (yet he claims that he had some sort of severe emotional response to the idea of one of his alien children dying? But he didn't care about the other 59 that he never saw?), he never questioned anything about what they were doing to him - all of that is almost moot, to say that he didn't remember what she smelled like, that's the key. And don't even get me started on the nonsense about him teaching the other two beings how to kiss - romantically - with no tongue. For chrissakes...

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Bingo!

He also said that the "praying Mantis" creature never spoke, then 10 minutes later it was telling him "it's okay to see the kids, but you can't stay."

I smelled crap on this one. My opinion is...the guy maybe has a hard time dealing with sex and developed a storyline which dealt with his sexual encounters (solo or with others) that took it completely out of his control.

In almost 50 years of these experiences, nobody around him has shared at least one experience?
 
I Just listended to the show. I was not clear weather these sexual encounters took place were he lived or he was taken away for all of them. He said it did not occur to him while these events took place to ask any questions? What about when he got home? Sitting back having a smoke. Would you not plan to record these events in some way? A small hidden recording device, or maybe even a hidden camera? Ok i'm sure they would not work when you need them too, but to not attempt to backup his claims is a little suspect. Nice bloke though.
Cheers John.
 
I'm posting another little thing about David Huggins, who I consider a friend. I like the guy, I think he's kind and big hearted. So, I am biased in a very real way.

I work for an outdoor school, and I just spent 2 weeks teaching winter camping. And - When I got out of the mountains, David emailed me, within hours of me arriving back. This has been a funny and unmistakable pattern. He does it every time I return from a school trip.

(I wrote about this earlier, and he did it again last night)
 
i dont care i have to say it! this guy is a lying schizophrenia peice of shit.
ok i feel better now.. go ahead wast your time and flame me, see if i really give a shit. no really.:eek:
 
Up thread I commented on the particularly unusual aspect of the hybrid presentation scenario, that of dropping the presented Hybrid child. Huggins recalled doing this at one point, as has Jane Leade. As this is something not often referenced in the description of said presentations, I find it very interesting when it is.

I'll use the dropping of the child presented as an example. For me, this reinforces the case study thread as potentially important when it comes to process wrt the commonly reported presentation of such infants (In Leade's case, one that appeared to be and was described as "not of this world"). Anecdotally, I have now counted four times this has been described, all completely separately. David R. added to those anecdotes with his own admission that he had heard of this peculiar aspect before and his observation that it may be part of an experiment to gauge reaction, emotion or mindset shouldn't be discounted.

Today, I came across another reference to this peculiar scenario...from Phantoms and Monsters

Puerto Rico has been a hotbed of alien abduction experiences, especially encounters that involve women. Delia, a Puerto Rican woman, is just one of many women who have been abducted by a UFO. Delia is married and has two other children, one is 16 years old and the other 5. The following is a narration of Delia's extraordinary experience. She describes how she was abducted, got pregnant by an extraterrestrial, and finally gave birth to a child which she describes as "half human and half extraterrestrial."

Here is her story.

"One day during the month of October, a friend and I were at a Yoga Center. In this place various yoga activities are celebrated and also people go there to meditate. It was 7:30 p.m. when my friend and I decided to retire and go to sleep. Then, all of a sudden somebody put their hand on my face. I couldn't see who it was because the room was dark. Suddenly, I was suspended in the air flying towards a direction that was totally unknown to me. While I was being transported in the air, I could see below myself houses and trees. At that moment I was so scared that I couldn't move, speak or scream. I calculate that the time had elapsed while I was being transported was approximately from 7:30 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. I was in my room when I woke up at 5:00 a.m. Immediately, I started vomiting and all my body was in terrible pain.

After a while, I felt a little better and I went to talk to Swami, who is the director of the Yoga Center. I told him how terrible I felt and what had happened to me. He told me to go back to my room and sleep until 12:00 noon and that when I woke up I would feel much better, which happened. After this I was left with a strange sensation which is difficult to explain. One of the sensations was in my vaginal (area), the other was in my mind... my way of thinking. Before I didn't give too much importance to the simple things that surrounded me, and now all of a sudden I began to notice how beautiful the sky was and also feeling a great amount of love towards other people. In other words, my life had changed completely.

Time passed by and it was already December - three months after my extraordinary experience. During these three months, I had noticed that my period occurred every 50 days, not every 27 days, or so, as would normally happen. Also, my stomach had enlarged just a little. Time passed by and then I had another encounter with a UFO. Suddenly, I found myself in a metallic room where there were 12 small men (not human) all dressed in grey. In this room I was lying in a metallic bed where I can clearly remember giving birth to a child, just like a normal birth to this child, because my two other children had been born by Cesarean. Then suddenly I fell asleep. when I woke up I saw one of the extraterrestrials with a child in his arms.

When I saw this child something deep inside of me told me he was my child, but I also remember being afraid. I remember telling one of the extraterrestrials that I considered this child strange (because he was "half human and half" extraterrestrial). Also, I can remember telling myself that even though this child was strange I had to accept and love him because he was my child. Also, the way he looked at me and the expression on his face confirmed this to me. After a moment, the extraterrestrial brought the child to me so that I could hold him. Even though I know he belongs to me, I cannot have him. And, because of this, my pain and sorrow cannot go away. They told me that he could not live with me because he could not eat the food that we human beings eat. While I held him in my arms I didn't want to let him go. I held him very tight. Then the extraterrestrials took him away from me and escorted me to the entrance of the flying saucer.

After these two experiences, I have had two more. The other two occurred when they brought me the child so that I could be with him. They do so by transporting me by air, holding the child in my arms.

While I am being transported, I have noticed that they make like a certain experiment with me. I remember feeling fear, like if the child would just fall right out of my arms. I suppose that they do this to see how mother human beings instincts are towards their children.

At the present, my two children have also had UFO experiences. They both have developed a certain kind of mental abilities and presently are being studied by them. I can't help worrying that probably one of these days my children can also be abducted."

Sources:
Willie Durand Urbina, Puerto Rican Research Group


http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/02/puerto-rico-ufo-encounters-alien.html

Also noted in this description of events are two other similarities in language and information related to Jane Leade's journal entries. Both accounts use the verbiage "strange" as a descriptor:

"
I considered this child strange ~ Delia"

"it was a strange Child that beareth not this worlds Image ~ Jane Leade.
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and both accounts discuss the fact that the presented child cannot be nourished through consumption of human food:

"They told me that he could not live with me because he could not eat the food that we human beings eat." ~ Delia

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Then again in the third place, while but in its Infancy, it will suck of no other, but its Eternal Virgin Mother; lay it to any other, and it will be sick to Death. And if at any time contrary Food is forced upon it, it doth presently Vomit it up." ~ Jane Leade

All this may simply be strange coincidence. I just thought it worth mentioning,


 
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