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J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
I understand your position even as I disagree with it.
It is possible that you understand my position even as you disagree with it. The problem is that I don't know which part of my position you're referring to. You'd have to be more specific. Is it the part where I think better management would save more lives and destroy less of people's livelihoods and dreams? Or is it the part where that can all be done without compromising our way of life and increased control over our behavior?
Masks have their utility, and if they help re-open the economy, that’s good. It’s not like they’re really asking anyone to give up their freedoms ...
Actually, you're right. It's not like they're "asking anyone". It's more like them telling us ( or else ).
- it’s a mask that doesn’t harm anyone.
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Ezechiel

Paranormal Adept
Houston we have a.... might have a bigger problem. A wake-up call for all.

With all the haggling over wearing a mask... imagine having to wear goggles or a visor to protect from infiltration through the eyes ?

The coronavirus is most commonly transmitted through the nose and mouth, but it's also possible to get COVID-19 through your eyes, according to experts.


All that mouth protection is wasted when some sneezes and the virus reaches the mucosal surfaces of the eye. Protecting the eyes reduces the probability of infection from 16% to 5.5% according to studies.


I'll make a prediction: 'In a few months they'll attach a filtering snorkel to the mask below' .... (I'm almost tempted to crack up lol.... but then humor heals LMAO)

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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Houston we have a.... might have a bigger problem. A wake-up call for all. With all the haggling over wearing a mask... imagine having to wear goggles or a visor to protect from infiltration through the eyes ?
Even I wouldn't imagine it could go so far, at least in the general public, but then again I was very doubtful it would even go nearly as far as it already has. The sweeping measures foisted upon us through fear by germaphobes in high places are having a devastating effect without saving anyone that couldn't be saved by managing it without the destruction of hundreds of thousands of livelihoods, not to mention their personal freedom and quality of life.

"Small business used to define America’s economy. The pandemic could change that forever. More than 100,000 small businesses have closed forever as the nation’s pandemic toll escalates."

 
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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Yes, people should have the right to infect others with a contagious disease. That's personal freedom.
For your statement to carry any weight you'd have to assume:

1. That all people are infected and are therefore automatically guilty of infecting others when in fact neither may be the case.
2. That although our species has been transmitting contagions for millions of years, they suddenly all require lockdowns and control measures.

If not. Then you don't actually mean what you're saying, and are just being glib. I've noticed a lot of that lately. It's not just you. Ironically, germaphobia appears to be contagious.
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
The number of people infected and who died from this disease are way way above the usual death rate.
Has something changed since the Scientific American article and the others I found that show how the mortality rate as a direct result of the virus is determined? The most relevant numbers don't justify the sweeping lockdowns and social controls, which in the USA have now killed hundreds of thousands of businesses, millions of livelihoods, and are adding to, rather than subtracting from, the total number of human deaths.

But the propaganda persuades, mostly through fear, people into thinking exactly the opposite; that control is all good for them, and that anyone who doesn't obey is part of the disease. I can think of other regimes guilty of equating humans with diseases in order to justify political decisions that cost citizens their business, their homes, and even their lives. When will the sheeple awaken?
 

marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
Has something changed since the Scientific American article and the others I found that show how the mortality rate as a direct result of the virus is determined? The most relevant numbers don't justify the sweeping lockdowns and social controls, which in the USA have now killed hundreds of thousands of businesses, millions of livelihoods, and are adding to, rather than subtracting from, the total number of human deaths.

But the propaganda persuades, mostly through fear, people into thinking exactly the opposite; that control is all good for them, and that anyone who doesn't obey is part of the disease. I can think of other regimes guilty of equating humans with diseases in order to justify political decisions that cost citizens their business, their homes, and even their lives. When will the sheeple awaken?

 

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J. Randall Murphy
Staff member

I'm not sure what point you wanted to make with the graphic, but whatever you think the numbers on mortality represent, they are highly misleading. That is because of the way the deaths are being counted. The Scientific American article revealed serious issues with counting and admitted that we don't really know the exact numbers. The sources there also argued in favor of counting in a way that inflates the numbers.

The most serious of all number inflating is that the stats used for the mortality rate are not being based on the serious underlying health issues of those in the high-risk groups. And those are where virtually all the deaths are taking place. For example, if someone tests positive for COVID-19, but has an underlying serious disease, the sources I've found indicate that the death will be attributed to COVID-19. This is completely backward from the way deaths from something like cancer have been traditionally counted:

"The underlying cause of death is the health condition that began the chain of events that led to a person's death. For example, if someone dies from pneumonia that was caused by lung cancer, the death will be counted in statistics for lung cancer, not pneumonia."​

So now, it looks like the procedure for gathering statistics on mortality from COVID-19 has become backwards, which seriously inflates the numbers, which in-turn provides misleading justification for the control measures. In other cases, anyone testing positive for COVID-19 who died has been counted as a death from COVID-19 regardless of whether the were hit by a bus or crushed by a falling piano. This was recently ordered stopped in one state where it was found to be happening, but who knows where else it's been going on? We also know it's happened in other countries.

Additionally, indirect deaths are also being attributed to COVID-19, but those are representative of the management of the pandemic, not the disease itself, and include deaths from measures such as the economic shutdown, suicides, overdoses, and whatever else fits depending on which numbers you are looking at. Many of these numbers are ( or at least would have been ) preventable with another management approach.

In the end, the bottom line is that unless a person is in a high-risk group with an underlying condition, it is extremely unlikely that they will die, or even become seriously uncomfortable directly from COVID-19. In fact, the symptoms are often so mild that as many as 40% of those infected don't even know they have it. The rest will recover with minimal discomfort within about 14 days.

The tiny number of the rest are all in high-risk groups, or have underlying conditions that could complicate their existing health condition. Those are the ones who should be given special attention, along with frontline workers. This is the real situation, and it doesn't justify the sweeping control measures that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of business, thrown hundreds of millions into abject poverty, and lowered the quality of life for hundreds of millions more.

Lastly, because of this situation, I'm left to conclude that the masses simply haven't got the time or wherewithal to think deep enough for themselves to see this situation for what it is, and their docile dull-witted compliance is depressing. Even worse, the few who aren't docile but equally misled are just plain offensive. They vandalize cars and think that anyone without a mask is killing their family. They're seriously messed-up.

But there are few alternatives that are any better, which is even more depressing. Honestly, if I could step through a portal into a world where everything else being equal, people are less superficial and treat each other with honesty, appreciation, and respect, I'd be gone this afternoon.
 
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marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
This is what we havre to put up with when it comes to national leadership in the U.S.

To say it's a disaster it's an understatement:

I think it's going to get a lot worse before it ever starts to get better. If "better" ever happens, TBH.
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
The Fact-Free Lockdown Hysteria | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.


Note one particularly interesting statistic that flies in the face of many mortality claims. Remember the outbreak on the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the fourth Nimitz-class nuclear powered aircraft carrier in the United States Navy? When not at war, the military is a near perfect example of controlled conditions where numbers can be trusted far more than in the general population.

Of the 1102 cases they had, only 7 required hospitalization, and 1 person died, but even for that death, the cause isn't entirely clear. The news article said "complications related to the disease". Also on the Navy website it says: " A previously reported COVID-19 death of one Navy Civilian employee has been determined to be non-COVID-19 related."

Either way we're looking at a mortality rate of less than 0.01%, which is far lower than has been pushed on civilians. We're being manipulated and propagandized by fear of the "invisible enemy" into a situation where far more people are at risk from the emergency measures than COVID-19 itself. This doesn't include the lower quality of life and unnecessary police enforcement that has come with it.
 
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J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
The Misguided Blaming and Mask Shaming by Sharon Stone
with the media fanning the flames



There are so many things wrong with her diatribe in this video that I don't even know where to start.
She just hasn't thought it through. She's driven by grief, fear, politics, and germaphobic hysteria.
If she wants votes for women, this is the best way to get the wrong ones in power.​
 
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Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
It's her sister. Don't expect logic when you're referring to family. But the lack of consistent wearing of masks and social distancing has caused havoc in the states, and infection rates and deaths are only dipping because more people are being urged/forced to follow these steps.
 


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