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Colin Andrews - Crop circles and New Age 'energy'

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trained observer, you make a coherent and well-expressed case for your 'take' on crop circles and their history in Wiltshire. It's obviously very different from my own 'take' on what's happened there over the last 45 years, which I've developed after five years of participating in discussions of that history with some of the principal 'players' in it, at the now-defunct Crop Circle Connector forum. I haven't time enough nor the will to attempt to change your mind, but I appreciate your clear representation of the way that that history looks to many people in this country. Someone wrote earlier in this thread that the history of cc in Wiltshire has been one of deceit and manipulation, and that is indeed the case. That history is complex and many-layered (like some of the earlier crop circles), and it can't all be sorted out in an internet forum. I would recommend that a good source to read concerning this history is Colin Andrews's 2010 book, Government Circles, browsable at


The single review posted at amazon.uk is lengthy but presents an interesting selection of information concerning crop circles and also some links that might be of interest here.
 
Dear Constance, I would be very interested to know if you think there is a connection between:
Stone heng, druids and crop circles? (Wiltshire).

regards,
 
Constance,

What "physical anomalies" have not been sufficiently explained?

I would say the list includes microscopically observed cellular changes in cc plant tissues, changes in seed size and in plant vigor and growth rate of plants grown from cc seeds, unexplained mineral crystallization in surface soils in cc, and iron spherules found in some cc as well as at some cattle mutilation sites. A variety of anomalous EM effects also still lack a prosaic explanation, including the draining of batteries and the failure of various kinds of electric and electronic equipment inside crop circles and magnetic anomalies (e.g., compasses pointing significantly away from true north). The BOLs frequently observed in crop circles are another anomaly in themselves.

What "information" do you see as having been presented in crop circles?

Unfortunately, information I'm personally not trained to comprehend very well including mathematical and hypergeometrical information identified in some crop circles by mathematical specialists (who have presented their findings in the comments and articles sections on individual formations at the Crop Circle Connector website). Also astronomical information analyzed by Horace Drew, which has on some occasions been predictive. There is also the phenomenon of mathematical ratios and other elements of Sacred Geometry that have turned up in numerous crop circles over the years. One former cc designer (who had withdrawn from that role) confessed in a thread in the CCCforum about three years ago that he and other mathematically skilled artists working with cc hoaxers had studied Sacred Geometry in order to implement it in their designs, to persuade researchers that those formations were 'genuine' ones. It was not an easy confession to make because it required speaking up against friends of his in the forum (indeed in that thread) who had long been involved with CCmakers.org as hoaxers and also as disinformation specialists.

In fact, personal relationships established over many years in and around Wiltshire have complicated the gradual release of information about manmade circles by individuals who were divided between personal loyalties to circlemakers and a need to speak out about what they knew and had kept hidden publicly. The level of animosity that has existed in Wiltshire-centered cc discussions has reached extreme levels in the last five years. It's all been about more than flattened wheat; it's been an effect of competing worldviews manipulated by institutions and agencies whose interest has been to maintain a consensual reality -- one in which crop circles and the ufos/anomalous light phenomena they've been connected with in the UK have been marginalized as utter 'woo'. More and more it's descended into what I call 'crop circle noir'. It's a very frustrating subject to follow, and I've asked myself several times why I remain interested in it. The only answer I can come up with is that something intuitively meaningful (as well as aesthetically very satisfying) came across to me, again and again, in viewing every available photo I could obtain of every crop circle that went down in Wiltshire since 1997, and then in being able to access the archives going farther back.
 
Actually it's the helicopters that are black. There have also been large white vans (unmarked like the helicopters) parked at the edge of a field in which an impressive formation had gone down, to which men in white jumpsuits were carrying armfuls of samples of crop. One of these individuals ordered other visitors out of the field and blocked them from entering the formation. Later, after the white vans had departed, black helicopters dive-bombed the visitors then in the formation, spraying them with a noxious pink-colored substance that provoked panic and/or vomiting by the people in the formation. I don't remember which formation it was, but these events were reported by Linda Moulton Howe, who was there for them.
Linda's credibility has been totally shot so that's not reliable for me. But the story is a fascinating one, in how it mutates across tellers, perhaps been magnified here and there like Linda's alien drone stories. I'm sure somewhere in there is a kernel of a real event that sounds much more interesting than the circle itself.

Here's some classic circle 'material' for those who enjoy the satiation factor of many conspiratorial possibilities at once:

July 7, 2007 - Crop Circle - Eastfield, UK
You're easily satisfied then.
To be honest, Constance, I lost my mysterious curiosity on this topic about 15 years ago. I engaged it fully and found what I find now, a lack of general critical concern from the authorities that should be concerned about genetic anomalies, low yield germination, plus the whole crystalline soil piece. All we have that is tangible is a collection of dedicated artists, and judging by recent circles, a lack of quality control issues as the math does not seem to be well planned.

What I see happening is the formation of the cereal religion and the evolution of a mythology based on retold stories and a minimalist art form. I don't give it much more time than that and apologize for having introduced the 'R' word (R*ndi) into the thread. Shame on me and my laziness.
 
Dear Constance, I would be very interested to know if you think there is a connection between:
Stone heng, druids and crop circles? (Wiltshire).

regards,

Hello Han. There does indeed seem to be such a connection. I've heard and read references to it, but it's not one I've personally read about. I'd be interested in reading anything you'd like to say about it. :)
 
Linda's credibility has been totally shot so that's not reliable for me. . . .

That's too bad. There were others there at the time who reported the same thing as I recall.

Here's some classic circle 'material' for those who enjoy the satiation factor of many conspiratorial possibilities at once:

July 7, 2007 - Crop Circle - Eastfield, UK

More layers deep in significance, that one, considering the Win Keech filming of the field all night, etc. In a cc discussion forum this summer a well-known hoaxer claimed to have been involved in its construction and several weeks later said that he'd been lying about that. CC noir.

To be honest, Constance, I lost my mysterious curiosity on this topic about 15 years ago. I engaged it fully and found what I find now, a lack of general critical concern from the authorities that should be concerned about genetic anomalies, low yield germination, plus the whole crystalline soil piece. All we have that is tangible is a collection of dedicated artists, and judging by recent circles, a lack of quality control issues as the math does not seem to be well planned.

Well, we don't actually know what the 'authorities' have been interested in. I'd guess the health authorities have done some sampling and testing, and agricultural scientists have likely investigated L's plant growth and seed anomalies (young plants in cc's showing desiccation of their seedheads). Since the cc stompers follow a set of instructions prepared by the designer, I find it hard to see them as artists; the art is in the cc design I think. The aesthetics of the formations arise, in my view, from the aerial views capturing the whole designs lit and shaded by the light and the tactile beauty of the swirls and crests, rivers of flowing crop, and intricate weaving of the plants.

What I see happening is the formation of the cereal religion and the evolution of a mythology based on retold stories and a minimalist art form. I don't give it much more time than that and apologize for having introduced the 'R' word (R*ndi) into the thread. Shame on me and my laziness.

No need to apologize re Randi. Can't be helped. I've come across only a very few cc followers that I would call 'religious', and most of them broaden their interests to sacred geometry and form as it appears in nature in general (fractals, cymatics, phi, etc.) If anything they pursue a religion of nature as holographically interconnecting all life and consciousness, often turning to panpsychism as well. Thank you for sharing your perspectives, Burnt State.
 
Hello Han. There does indeed seem to be such a connection. I've heard and read references to it, but it's not one I've personally read about. I'd be interested in reading anything you'd like to say about it. :)

Stone heng or henge is sometimes referred to as a "stone circle", it is supposed that it is geometrically aligned. It was allegedly built as a ceremonial site. It is also said that it is a "paranormal" magnet.
this reminds me of a crop circle.
 
Your anomalous plant data seems to be BLT Levengood nonsense. We know that is tripe.

On the information thing, there is nothing there that couldn't come from a human being.

The main thing to consider is that we know how the crop formations are made. Humans make them. We've seen it, had it explained, understand it. Navel staring and over analysis by those ill-equipped to do so will yield unreliable and apparently anonymous results so what's the point?

The crop circle mystery has been solved IMHO and there nothing but human drama and theater to be seen there. Sometimes that's entertaining too.
 
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Your anomalous plant data seems to be BLT Levengood nonsense. We know that is tripe.

Actually we don't know that. Neither the biological and mineralogical data presented by Levengood and others, nor L's biophysical hypothesis concerning their production, have been scientifically falsified. There are also the EM anomalies to be dealt with, which you haven't responded to.

On the information thing, there is nothing there that couldn't come from a human being.

Setting aside several astronomical predictions discovered in crop circles by Horace Drew, that's probably a valid statement, but I wonder what sort of mathematically and aesthetically skilled human being (more likely group of human beings) would labor over the designs (and the instructions for executing them on the ground) for the hundreds of crop circles that have appeared in Wiltshire and elsewhere on the planet every year for the last four decades. That's a ponderable question that remains to be answered. I wonder for what purpose (and what reward) this elaborate effort would be made over so long a period of time in one or two counties in southern England. For some answers to that question, see Colin Andrews, Government Circles.

There are other questions that have been raised concerning the all-human claim to construction of crop formations based in analyses of the layering, weaving, and braiding of living crop present in many of the formations, and the persistent question of how all this has been done in the average 4.5 hours of darkness in Wiltshire county during the summers. There are also a number of accounts over the decades of people who have witnessed crop circles being laid without visible agency in minutes, even moments. The last I read about this the count of such testimonies has reached a total of 45 witnesses, one of whom was the farmer in Maysville, Wisconsin, about six years ago, a case analyzed and reported on by ICCRA [the US-based International Crop Circle Researchers Association] and available to read at their website.

Anyway, there is a great deal more to crop circles than meets the eye or that can be explained by human ccmaking. To be sure, humans can produce some very impressive formations and have done so in Wiltshire county, England. There's a great distance to be covered in moving from Wiltshire's unique cc history to accepting the global claim, made by Matthew Williams and his colleague Andrew Pyrka, that therefore "all crop circles are manmade."

You've clearly bought that claim so there is no point I can see in continuing this discussion with you.


The main thing to consider is that we know how the crop formations are made. Humans make them. We've seen it, had it explained, understand it. Navel staring and over analysis by those ill-equipped to do so will yield unreliable and apparently anonymous results so what's the point?

The crop circle mystery has been solved IMHO and there nothing but human drama and theater to be seen there. Sometimes that's entertaining too.
 
The secretary of a crop circle society leant me a book one day of some cool crop circle photos. There were lots of interesting circles and amongst them, there seemed to be a chronological pattern/thread. I remember one crop circle which seemed to mimic a coin that was found in the same field.

I also remember the pictograms being rather than random geometric patterns actually were 3 dimensional mathematical constructs which seemed to describe or communicate astronomical events.

I also remember some dude in another book having made 3 dimensional models of some of these crop circles or he did some other weird stuff such as placing the circles on a disc and spinning them to create a viewed image??? I can't remember..
 

If I'm remembering correctly, that crop circle represents Euler's Identity or another major equation of his, but altered in one respect which might be the result of an error or might be intentional and significant. If that is the Euler formation there was a great deal written about it at the time by mathematicians. If I can copy and paste some of that discussion from the CCC archives here, I will do so, hopefully tonight.

I've never understood what to make of the spinning versions of crop circles, and I avoid looking at them because they make me dizzy. Somewhere there's no doubt a discussion of what some people find in these spinning images.

{edited to add: this is what the author of the video states in the 'About' section accompanying that video: "3D Model of Vale of Pewsey Crop Circle of 6-21-10. Played on slow playback, its periodic complexity is astonishing.}

Re your second-last post, there have been a variety of cc that have explored perspective and multi-dimensional geometry, among a wide variety of other representations drawn from nature, mathematics, physical sciences, and more. To be aware of and comment on all of that would require encyclopedic knowledge of thousands of crop circles and of the disciplines of various researchers who have commented on their possible meanings. It's an almost inexhaustible subject, in part because the phenomena studied fade out of existence (if not when the crops are harvested, or when the farmers cut them out of the field immediately, then after a season or two during which some of them continue to be partially visible by differences in the way snow melts and does not melt on portions of them and in traces of the formations visible in subsequent crops planted in the same location). I always thought that the temporality of the medium is part of the message.
 
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i was thinking of this

 
Most complex crop circle ever discovered in British fields
The most complex, "mind-boggling" crop circle ever to be seen in Britain has been discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.
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The circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure Photo: APEX PICTURES

By Richard Savill

12:30PM BST 17 Jun 2008


The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

It is has appeared in a field near Barbury Castle, an iron-age hill fort above Wroughton, Wilts, and has been described by astrophysicists as "mind-boggling".

Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.

"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."
 
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