I knew Keel. He was a character, you could say that. But things happened to him that didn't seem to happen to anyone else.
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ChatGPT: Conversation between Human and entity from Zeta Reticuli
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Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
Witnesses like Bill Brazel stated government personnel took what they had found. It makes no sense to demand "extraordinary proof" if the government took it and won't reveal it.
Occasionally they also happen in association with UFO/humanoid encounters.
Nobody ever did that, although, as KDR has shown, Charles Moore falsified the trajectory of a launch to make it appear it came close to the ranch.
Lol, even if he was unaware of a mogul launch, he would've had no trouble identifying mundane junk associated with it. He made clear what he found was "not of this earth."
As I explained before, conclusive proof isn't in the public domain. But there is ample evidence that ET has been arriving.
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
Flight #4 was supposedly the one (as all the others are accounted for) but as the documentation shows, it was cancelled. KDR mentioned anothrer reason it couldn't have been 4: it was scheduled for mid June but Brazel didn't see the mess on the ranch until July. Inasmuch as it interfered with ranch operations he reported it as soon as possible--July 6. He wouldn't have waited until then had there already been a big mess in mid June.
Worse than absurd. Brazel wouldn't wait two weeks to try to get the military to clean up a mess; no way he (or anybody) would wait two years….
Pygar2
Paranormal Maven
I acknowledge the MOGUL debris wound up in USG hands; there are photos of its examination.
Once again, the proposed aliens are being used as an explanation for the mundane.
I acknowledge that KDR denies the MOGUL track; not that his opinion changes anything. Where *else* did it land, to get examined and photographed?
There is no reason for a base security officer to recognize MOGUL debris. And isn't this the guy who claimed to be an ace... who was never a pilot?
No, there is no evidence of ETI, just plenty that liars and crazy people have functional vocal cords. Not an extraordinary claim.
Once again, the proposed aliens are being used as an explanation for the mundane.
I acknowledge that KDR denies the MOGUL track; not that his opinion changes anything. Where *else* did it land, to get examined and photographed?
There is no reason for a base security officer to recognize MOGUL debris. And isn't this the guy who claimed to be an ace... who was never a pilot?
No, there is no evidence of ETI, just plenty that liars and crazy people have functional vocal cords. Not an extraordinary claim.
Next time KDR is gone, I'd like for you to post some questions about your concerns.
As most of you listeners know, I don't buy the ET explanation for Roswell. Something did happen, but there's little reason to think it wasn't some sort of terrestrial craft. Balloon, test aircraft, something conventional.
Nick Redfern had a good slant on it too with his test flight experiment theory as described in his 2021 book, "Body Snatchers in the Desert: The Horrible Truth at the Heart of the Roswell Story."
As most of you listeners know, I don't buy the ET explanation for Roswell. Something did happen, but there's little reason to think it wasn't some sort of terrestrial craft. Balloon, test aircraft, something conventional.
Nick Redfern had a good slant on it too with his test flight experiment theory as described in his 2021 book, "Body Snatchers in the Desert: The Horrible Truth at the Heart of the Roswell Story."
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
We know what happened at Roswell. It was weather balloons. The truth is out there.
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
As I wrote before, KDR exhaustively investigated all the alternatives. The skeptics long ago settled on mogul precisely because documentation showed that everything else was impossible. Ultimately mogul went the same way, as documentation showed it could not have been responsible.
People should read the pertinent, most up to date literature on this subject. Besides KDR's blog posts see Understanding Roswell.
Based on decades of thorough research KDR concluded "to understand Roswell is to know that, other than the extraterrestrial, we have no answer."
Lol! That book was written around 20 years ago and has been totally debunked. Redfern himself abandoned that thesis.
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Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
What was displayed in Ramery's office was junk as the real material went to WPAFB.
No, the mundane was used as an "explanation" for any alien craft.
As I said before flight number 4 was cancelled. The others are accounted for.
A base intel officer couldn't tell the difference between ordinary junk and something extraordinary??!!
As Rudiak pointed out, both Blanchard and Marcel sr were not fired but continued to serve and were even promoted. Had they made such an idiotic mistake as not recognizing balloon wreckage, and calling it a flying saucer, thus making an awful ruckus, both almost certainly would've been demoted or fired.
UFO witnesses include pilots, professors, businessmen even astronauts...
18 actually. Have to ask Nick about this.
Pygar2
Paranormal Maven
So a MOGUL balloon that WASN'T Flight 4 simply appeared from out of nowhere, was collected, examined, and photographed?! Either KDR is wrong, or there is some phenomenon that causes spontaneous MOGUL debris!
To understand Roswell is to know that, other than the mundane, we have no answer. ETI, unproven to exist, is no answer.
Thank you for the brief list of people who have seen things they couldn't identify. That's kind of what the U in UFO means, so that doesn't mean anything. And I noticed your conflating my ETI with UFO.
To understand Roswell is to know that, other than the mundane, we have no answer. ETI, unproven to exist, is no answer.
Thank you for the brief list of people who have seen things they couldn't identify. That's kind of what the U in UFO means, so that doesn't mean anything. And I noticed your conflating my ETI with UFO.
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Long and short is that Roswell remains frustrating. All those books, and nothing is resolved.
Next time KDR is on The Paracast, feel free to post key questions about this, OK?
He just came out with a book on the 1952 Washington D.C. sightings, so it'll be soon.
Next time KDR is on The Paracast, feel free to post key questions about this, OK?
He just came out with a book on the 1952 Washington D.C. sightings, so it'll be soon.
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
Kevin has all but put the myth of Roswell to bed.
We talked about Roswell and his most recent book, "Understanding Roswell" on his most recent appearance on The Paracast.
It doesn't seem to me as if he's given up the search for more evidence.
It doesn't seem to me as if he's given up the search for more evidence.
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
Yea I heard the show Gene and i think he has definitely gave ETH hypothesis.We talked about Roswell and his most recent book, "Understanding Roswell" on his most recent appearance on The Paracast.
It doesn't seem to me as if he's given up the search for more evidence.
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
Has already gave up on the ETH hypothesis.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Wrong again Gene. The literal definitions of the words in an acronym don't always match the definition of the acronym as a whole. The official definition of the word UFO by the people who created it ( The USAF ) is significantly different than that of the article you quoted, and makes it clear that UFOs are not anything natural or manmade ( or even could reasonably be explained as something natural or manmade ), which leaves no logical alternative other than something not natural and not manmade, which by definition means some kind of alien technology — in this case a transport craft.
On top of that the history of the development of the official USAF definition ( AFR 200-2 ) makes it clear that the term UFO was a replacement for the phrase "flying saucer" popularly interpreted as an alien craft. On top of that, the vast majority of interpretations of the word UFO as indicated in literally millions of search results, clearly shows alien craft as the subject matter.
Those who try to dismiss the term as simply meaning a literal unidentified flying object are stating an opinion that is inaccurate and misleading — usually done by the likes of Neil DeGrasse Tyson and other skeptics who wilfully ignore the history and usage. You can and should be doing better.
I'll go by the definition provided by Captain Ruppelt, who headed up Project Blue Book and wrote "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects," considered one of the best early books on the subject. No, a UFO isn't necessarily an alien craft, and the term wasn't intended to reflect that. Read his book.
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
Certainly over here the term is regarded as meaning an Unidentified flying object, except to those who know nothing about the subject who assume it means space ship.
I think the days of thinking that ETH is an explanation for the phenomenon is long gone. I personally believe that it has more to do with our consciousness and our culture.
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
Has anyone else here read the book?
The problem is, all known witnesses are now deceased. KDR certainly doesn't doubt there's plenty more evidence, in government hands.
In his previous work, he said in effect the case is at a dead end until the government finally releases what it has. "But today is not that day and I don't think tomorrow will be either." Maybe the second half of this century.
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
It could not have been a MOGUL balloon and was not. The documentation proves #4 was cancelled, and descriptions of witnesses, including the base intel officer, clearly point to something "not of this earth" as Marcel put it.ETI is "unproven to exist" to laymen; it's highly naive to assume the government has no proof. It certainly confiscated and collected plenty…..And as witness testimony clearly indicates, the material was not mundane.