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Cattle Mutilations: A More Balanced Perspective


DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
Fyi, I found this post in the question bank, but it is more on topic here, imo.

Cattle Mutilations: A More Balanced Perspective.

by George Wingfield

Last week a friend here in Iowa told me that back in the 1970s there were four cattle mutilations which occurred on farms near Cedar Rapids. Most people were mystified but soon afterwards a local man who had once worked for the CIA revealed in confidence what he said he had been told about the killing of these cattle.

In 1973 major defense contractor Rockwell International purchased the Collins Radio company and Rockwell Collins was established with its headquarters and research division in a highly secure building in Cedar Rapids. Multimillion $ government defense contracts with the company were said to be in the field of advanced electronics, communications, avionics and electronic weaponry. Apparently one of the latter systems was some kind of a laser gun and this was what had been tested at night on those unfortunate cows –presumably without the farmers’ knowledge or consent.

Like so much of the US cattle mutilation mystery back in the 1970s and 1980s there is no way of confirming whether or not these Iowan cattle were killed as a result of secret weapons tests, carried out with or without the authorization of whatever government department was responsible for this program. The story does however suggest yet another possible reason for at least some of the unexplained cattle killings of that era.

A further explanation for some of these unexplained killings all over the country may well be the criminal shooting of cattle by men or boys with guns. A young man with a gun, whether he’s a kid with access to a hunting rifle or a rookie soldier with his first issue M16, will soon think about using the gun to kill. Hopefully such use will be confined to licensed shooting of deer or, in the case of the soldier, to shooting at targets on a rifle range but often that’s not going to be enough. A gang member in a big city might use his gun for a drive-by shooting of some random person on the street. Out in the country it’s more likely that a kid with a hunting rifle will secretly try it out on an unfortunate cow in a remote pasture. That’s a criminal act but far better that than him shooting his classmates or teachers at the High School.

Likewise a soldier with a gun who is on an exercise out in the wilds, or maybe a survival course in the desert, will sometimes use it wantonly, or otherwise, but just for the sake of using it. Again, cattle make easy targets that are pretty difficult to miss. It’s an awful thought but could the proliferation of unexplained cattle deaths and mutilations in the missile fields spread over a hundred miles around Malmstrom AFB near Great Falls, MT, be because there were armed military security personnel moving about with their guns in these remote areas? I don’t think there’s any record of mutilations in this area before the Minuteman missile silos and the military personnel needed to guard them arrived there in the 1960s and 1970s. An alternative explanation for the many mutilations in the Malmstrom missile fields is that military personnel engaged in secret cattle sampling programs (see Cause of Death (6) below) may well have found it convenient to make use of the secure fenced areas surrounding each silo to do their work.

Cousins of mine who once had a large cattle ranch way out in the desert at Bloody Basin in central Arizona sometimes saw military personnel who had been dropped into the desert on training exercises or survival courses. On one occasion two such scary-looking men dressed in battle fatigues and carrying guns called at the ranch house asking for water and for directions. It was on that day my cousins’ pet piglet ‘Ham’ vanished, never to be seen again. I don’t think anyone had much doubt about what happened to Ham. No one suggested the pig was abducted by aliens in a UFO or that he was the victim of Satanists –there was a far easier explanation! There were also some cattle deaths with mutilations near the ranch back then but this was put down to a predator which seems to have been a mountain lion.

All this shows that there can be several different causes of the unexplained cattle deaths which occur all over the United States and without an autopsy of the dead beast it’s often difficult to establish the actual cause of death. Most ranchers are unwilling to pay the high price that veterinarians would charge for such bovine autopsies. In general a carcass that has lain out in the desert or in pastures for any length of time will show mutilations and here in the Midwest I would be surprised if there wasn’t any sign of mutilation.

The reason cattle mutilations are regarded as such a mystery is because the cause of death is often not obvious and also because of the false assumption that whatever killed the wretched beast must have also mutilated it. In very many cases this is simply not true and mutilation of the dead animal is done later by avian scavengers. The chief culprits are turkey vultures and/or black vultures, often with several attacking a carcass at the same time.

A turkey vulture, which has a six-foot wingspan, is shown at left. A news item describing the killing and mutilation of calves in Mississippi by vultures is appended at the end of this article. There can be little doubt that vultures are the chief culprit when it comes to mutilations.

Again and again I’ve read reports of cattle mutilations written by some “experts” that say there were no footprints or tire tracks anywhere near the mutilated carcass. Therefore, they say, the mutilation COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been done by predators or scavengers and it MUST have been the work of aliens from above in UFOs –or perhaps even MIBs in black helicopters. Well, duh! I guess some “experts” have never heard of avian scavengers and some seem blissfully unaware of the existence of the vultures --which we country folk in the Midwest see soaring overhead nearly every single day.

Generally these large birds –sometimes 3 or 4 or more—perch on a carcass to peck away at the soft tissue of the bovine corpse. They leave no marks on the ground but any sharp-sighted investigator may sometimes see birdpoop and perhaps a few dark feathers left behind.

Let us now look at six fallacies which have caused much confusion when it comes to understanding the cattle mutilation mystery:

Six Fallacies that one hears from Cattle Mutilation Conspiracy Theorists who wish to maintain that Aliens, MIBs, (or maybe Satanists) are to blame.

1. The assumption that whatever killed the animal also mutilated it. Obviously that is sometimes the case, but often a dead animal is mutilated after its death by scavengers and NOT by whatever agency killed the beast. Scavengers usually find a carcass soon after an animal’s death.

2. The assumption that an animal killed by predators such as coyotes would always be ripped open and eaten, often with spillage of blood on the ground. Several coyotes which have killed a calf --or other mammal of similar size-- will often leave the carcass and return to it later. People who think otherwise may have been watching too many wildlife documentaries on TV where lions in Africa kill zebra or wildebeest and then rip the body apart feasting on it at once.

3. The false suggestion that the only scavengers which could cause the mutilations are animals like coyotes, raccoons, foxes, opossums, and also insects and maggots. Mention of avian scavengers is very often ignored.

By far the greatest numbers of cattle mutilations are carried out by turkey vultures –“buzzards”-- and also to a lesser extent by black vultures, crows, ravens and other birds. Up to, say, ten vultures at a time will feast on a cow’s carcass invariably starting with accessible soft tissue such as the eyes, the anus, the genitalia, the tongue, and mouth parts. If a carcass is left out in the open for any length of time after death such mutilations will almost certainly occur and the chief culprits will be vultures. Here in the Midwest it would be most surprising if a carcass in the open were left unmutilated.

4. The assertion that the body of the killed animal had been completely drained of blood. Unless a qualified veterinarian confirmed this, it seems far more likely that the blood had congealed and lost its fluidity inside the carcass. This normally happens within hours of an animal dying or being killed. The argument that it can’t be predators which killed the beast because there’s no blood on the ground simply isn’t true. Unless predators like lions ripped the animal open while its heart was still pumping, there will be little blood spilled on the ground. Other cattle deaths such as those caused by disease, heart failure, lightning strike, even by a rifle shot, will typically produce little if any exsanguination.

5. The frequent assertion that incisions on carcasses of some mutilated cattle were “surgical” and/or “as if cut using a very sharp blade or laser”. This CAN certainly apply in some cases of cattle mutilation, but very often incisions do appear as straight or smoothly curved edges because the skin has been stretched by bloating of the animal’s body. Bloating often occurs when a carcass has been lying out in the hot sun for any length of time.

6. There have been assumptions by some researchers that the unexplained cattle deaths and mutilations are mainly caused by one particular culprit, such as aliens in UFOs. Other researchers will insist on secret government or military personnel flying in “black helicopters” and others on Satanists. From the varied reports in a book like Christopher O’Brien’s Stalking the Herd (2014) it becomes evident that a number of culprits are responsible for the killings. It’s hard to say which of the suspected killers are most to blame. The mix, represented as a pie chart, may vary with time and place but most of the mutilation characteristics have remained similar over the years.

Here is a list of some suggested causes of unexplained cattle deaths in the US over the last 40 years. The first three are probably the most likely causes but the others may well account for some fraction of the mystery.

(1) Natural causes including disease, heart failure, pneumonia, congenital abnormality, etc. An autopsy might reveal these as causes of death.

(2) Attacks by predators such as coyotes. These are much more likely to kill calves or sickly animals rather than adult cattle. A group of coyotes may single out one weaker animal from the herd and kill it by repeated biting or by shock. Black vultures also make predatory attacks on calves pecking out their eyes and sending the animals into shock that causes death.

(3) Criminal shooting of cattle by delinquents –possibly frustrated hunters or teenagers. A high-velocity rifle bullet might pass right through a cow leaving minimal signs of entry or exit wounds. Such shootings could also be done by military personnel who want to try out their rifles when there aren’t any witnesses about. Dead cows tell no tales!

(4) Poisoning. Ergot poisoning has been mentioned and deliberate poisoning by person or persons unknown might be a possibility. Botulism caused by the bacterium Clostridium Botulinum is possible too.

(5) Covert testing of newly developed weapons by military units operating under cover of darkness. This might involve use of unmarked helicopters and the weapons could be guns or laser devices. It has also been suggested that nerve gas or germ warfare agents could have been secretly tested on selected animals. This was the thesis of the 1982 B-movie Endangered Species. If this testing ever did go on, tissue samples would probably have been taken from the dead animals which might account for some unusual mutilations.

(6) A secret sampling program, by whatever government agency, to check for such things as radioactive fallout from nuclear tests in Nevada, chemical warfare toxins that could have drifted from places such as Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, etc., detection of mad cow disease prions in cattle which is something that could have proved disastrous for the US beef industry. Such sampling would probably involve shooting marked cattle from, say, a stealth helicopter and surgically removing tissue and/or organs for testing which might result in very distinctive mutilations of the carcass. (Regarding this last possibility, see Colm Kelleher’s 2004 book: ‘Brain Trust: The Hidden Connection between Mad Cow and Misdiagnosed Alzheimer’s Disease’.)

(7) Satanic ritual killings. A possibility, but unlikely since there really aren’t that many active Satanic cults in this country despite what’s claimed in the folklore that one sometimes reads. How many Satanists do you know?

(8) Lightning strikes or electrocution due to faulty power lines or utility poles. This has occasionally been reported in some countries such as the UK.

(9) Death due to collision impact, either with other cattle during a stampede or with a tree or fence pole.

(10) Death due to being dropped from a height. This presupposes the animal has been taken up into the air and then dropped which could be the case if tornadoes were reported in the area. Otherwise we would have to assume the animal was first winched up by a “black helicopter” in order to have some excision or mutilation performed on it (see (6) above) and then dumped again. Possible but unlikely.

(11) The animals may have died of fright or the shock caused by low flying military aircraft, violent thunderstorms, large size hail, etc. Sudden stress can have such an effect on bovines but there is little reason to think that many cattle perish in this manner.


(12) Death inflicted by aliens in UFOs (and/or flying saucers) who are said to remove bovine tissue for genetic experimentation or other unknown purposes to do with the survival of their species. This suggestion has been rejected and even ridiculed by almost everyone who has seriously looked at the cattle mutilation mystery. The only supporting evidence for it comes from a few supposed alien abductees who have made such claims as a result of hypnotic regression therapy performed on them by believers in the alien solution. Cattle mutilations by aliens has become such a central strand in modern “ET-UFO Alien” myth now that many in the UFO community accept it like an article of faith and unquestioning articles are published in the MUFON UFO Journal without any mention of the part that vultures play.

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Out of all these possible causes of unexplained cattle deaths only (5), (6), (7) and (12) envision the possibility that humans (or aliens) performed surgical incisions on the cadavers of the animals when they were killed. If the actual mutilations are mainly due to avian scavengers --such as vultures—those distinctive injuries would usually be inflicted on any carcass out in the open that had been killed as a result of any of causes (1) through (12) above. No matter that there could already be incisions and/or organ removal from the carcass --made by whatever agency killed the beast-- scavenging vultures would soon be along to add their own mutilations.

Below is an artist’s impression of cows being taken up into a flying saucer for mutilation purposes by the aliens as suggested in (12) above. I think this explanation of the mutilation phenomenon --along the lines suggested by its chief proponent Linda Moulton Howe—now strikes most people as pure fantasy and something that has just about zero evidence to support it.

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During the height of the Cold War in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, when a lot of covert government/military activity went on, a substantial fraction of the mix may have been accounted for by categories (5) and/or (6) and these killings may well have involved use of unidentified helicopters. Today most of the unexplained cattle deaths, corresponding to the larger sectors of the pie, A, B, and C, are likely to have been caused by either (1), (2), or (3). I’ll leave you all to decide just how the pie chart should be divided.

George Wingfield
Ottumwa, Iowa
May 2014


Vultures behind cattle mutilation

Posted May 26, 2013 9.42 a.m. (The Commercial Appeal, Memphis, TN) see:- Vultures behind cattle mutilation » The Commercial Appeal [ Progress is near Hattiesburg, MS ]

PROGRESS, Miss. (AP) — Nancy Hall says it took a while but she and her husband John have found what has been attacking the calves at their dairy farm — vultures.

Nancy Hall tells the Enterprise-Journal (Vultures behind cattle mutilation - enterprise-journal.com: News) that the attacks had been going for several days at her farm in the Progress community.

She said some of her calves' eyes, tongue and other parts of their bodies were pecked out. The couple called Lee Barkdull with the Mississippi Department of Agriculture. Barkdull said a predator — a coyote or other animal — had done the damage, but he wasn't sure. The couple thought someone was playing cruel games. "We really thought it was somebody," Nancy said.

One day, Nancy said they saw the culprit: an American black vulture. The bird is known to attack vulnerable, small animals including newborn calves. The birds pick at the eyes, tongue and other parts of the animal to send it into shock and eventually kill it. The vultures are the size of the turkey vulture*. The black vulture has a black head and black feathers with white accents under the wings. The birds are protected under state and federal laws.

"It is in the early morning when we have seen them out here," John said. "But you can expect them any time. They don't circle above like the old buzzards do; they sit out there in the trees and sweep in like a predator," he said.

Nancy said the birds have killed three female calves, which can fetch up to $300, and a male calf. She also said they have three more calves missing but aren't sure what happened to them.

The Halls found a way to keep the birds from attacking the small calves. They keep the animals in a smaller pen so the birds can't get to them.

"If they get down in there they can't get their wings out to fly out," John said.

Nancy said the birds won't mass attack the bigger cows ranging in age from 4 months to adult. Once the calves get old enough, they release them into a bigger enclosure, she said.

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* that’s not quite true. Turkey vultures (“buzzards”) have a six foot wingspan whereas the smaller black vultures are only 4 ft 6 in. However black vultures are more aggressive than turkey vultures and will drive the latter from a carcass. I know of no reported case of turkey vultures actually killing calves but it is possible they sometimes do. There are huge numbers of them all over the US whereas the black vulture is somewhat rarer and is found mainly in Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, and Florida –not so much in the Midwest, New Mexico or Colorado. This story means that black vultures can be classified as predators as well as scavengers, but we believe that turkey vultures are principally scavengers --GW.
christopher o'brien
co-host of the paracast

(I found this post in the question bank, but it is more on topic here, imo.)
 
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DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
Thanks for the excellent article!

ET-Aliens doing the mutilations is insanely incorrect except for "imaginative" (?) hysterical science fiction that is far tooooo outdated with our current understanding of genetics going on for decades now. Even when Linda Moulton Howe started this lunacy back in the late 1970's it was not logical.

I much prefer Chris' hilarious senario of The Exotic ET Alien Dining Society cosmic hunt and quest for exotic eating delicacies that ET's crave and travel light years for... the privilege to eat cattle tongues, eyes, tits, and genitalia.

More so than ET, this could be a necessary survival food for some desert rats that would include initiation rites, survival training, migrant illegal aliens, and military and militia nuts IN FAR LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of the cattle deaths. Maybe one in several thousand deaths. Here's a big clue to this type of death...

IF the tongue is cut out well, like a knife was used, then this is very likely a human food. It is well known that buffalo hunters just cut out the tongue for food often wasting the rest of the carcass.

George Wingfield should be an annual guest or part of a reoccurring roundtable that covers all the BS Hoaxing going on with ET-UFO's, especially, the personalities involved. He is one of the very best guests you ever had on the show. I love the fact he goes back decades to have a historical understanding of what's in-play here and who-all started it. The roots of it all is fascinating!

To understand Linda Moulton Howe all one needs to do is read the book: The Sociopath Next Door. (Otherwise, and far less likely, she is seriously delusional for 35+ years???) IMO. Unfortunately, people like LMH do serious psychological harm to naive and gullible people. Also, there are very serious and intelligent people that over-focus and become extremely obsessive about ET-Alien UFO's. A LOT of higher IQ people, especially savant types or ADD's, are typically fooled this way too. Not to mention all the Military Intelligence nutcases!!! Spooks!

Long live Mothman!
 
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Sequel

Skilled Investigator
First Chapter : Holy Cow was very well done.
Mostly everything covered barring no reference to the etymology of the first letter of our alphabet and language; A; which was inverted by the phoenicians and was supposed to be symbolic/hieroglyph of an ox with 2horns.
Still reading the rest, probably about half way through it.
What a very bizarre series of events, am perplexed, but favoring the environmental theory so far for most mutes. The organs retrieved are typically where you could find toxins or evidence of cancers (udders, reproductive organs) and also modes of digestion, (mouth, tongue, rectum), and also genetic carryover with pregnant animals. Also, these parts are also the ones you can't obtain without too much notice on the meat market. But still very much confused....
 

Sequel

Skilled Investigator
The only thing that seems to be a common denominator in all these cases, is the complete de-sanguination of the animal. Why is the blood so important and in such large quantities? It turns you away from the monitoring explanation, and more into a harvesting explanation.
 

DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
The only thing that seems to be a common denominator in all these cases, is the complete de-sanguination of the animal. Why is the blood so important and in such large quantities? It turns you away from the monitoring explanation, and more into a harvesting explanation.
Your whole premise is what is incorrect. VERY FEW, IF ANY, "cases" have proven the removal of all the blood. There are no whole body autopsies that analyze whether all the blood is missing UNLESS NIDS/Bigelow has released proof of this???

As a veterinarian pointed out, on dead animals the blood gels and sinks to the low side of the animal. It only appears that the blood is removed. Why? Because the sampling is taken from the higher, more elevated, areas of the body. Also, skinning the animal does NOT have to produce any blood if one does not cut the blood arteries. What little blood that is leaked can be wiped and cleaned away.

VERY FEW CASES, IF ANY, PROVE total loss of blood, so this does not happen often. BUT, when the Humans take away the animal by helicopter sling to take samples elsewhere, then it is EASY to drain-off the blood and dump it by air or alternate sampling location. The Humans are DEFINITELY FAKING ET-UFO "cattle mutilations" by doing the blood dump AND by dropping the cow by air when returning the animal.

Regardless, blood draining [using air drops] is part of the deception ASSUMING all or most of the blood is missing, so that's just propaganda and/or deception for Humans that believe ET-UFO's are dong this to "harvest" blood too??? How ridiculous!

Don't be duped by the T-Humans!!! :D
 
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Sequel

Skilled Investigator
Yep, maybe u have a point.
I think the problem is that theres not one core investigation team looking at the holistic phenomenon. It seems like different labs and departments are just looking at the subject on a case for case basis.
I can't find even a rational speculation at this moment.
It amazes me, that given the number of cases there isn't any more clues.
If it is a project orchestrated by people, its a well organised, expensive, inefficient and non-methodical use of some pretty sophisticated resources. I can't make a connection, even if government or an elite corporation was involved, its just not the way you would run an experiment or a test. Every creature (intelligent or not) has a motive (conscious or innate) for doing something - I cant see anything to go on, except a vague link between nuclear activity and proximity of locations.
Maybe i need to finish reading the book.
 

DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
Every creature (intelligent or not) has a motive (conscious or innate) for doing something - I cant see anything to go on, except a vague link between nuclear activity and proximity of locations.
I can almost guarantee you that at least 99% of all kills are natural deaths from disease, poisoning, lightening, or other natural causes that get MISIDENTIFIED as some kind of bizarre "the unexplained" mutilation.

The remaining 1% leaves plenty of room for Human testing, hoaxing, insurance claims, media whoring, cult BS, rancher wars, revenge, etc.

I don't know how many "air drop" kills there were that can be PROVEN were air drops, but I bet that was an EXTREMELY RARE event.

If you research Gabe/Greg Valdez, both policemen, then you'll learn they knew Humans were doing the cattle dissections near Dulce and that entire region. This was part of Black Ops program(s) when the aerial craft were used. No one knows exactly WHY. That's kept secret information, so, yeah, you're only going to be able to speculate. Cattle disease testing, bioweapons testing, radiation testing, microwave weapons testing were probably all done at one time or another.

These types of tests were only numbering in the hundreds over decades, so that's not a large sampling program to undertake. If ET is accused, then you can be certain "something Human" is causing that. All kinds of Human Motives exist to think and do this... it does NOT have to be rational by any means! Plenty of Humans do irrational and criminal and deceptive things or make mistakes blaming ET.
 
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Sequel

Skilled Investigator
I don't know whether your reading the same book, but I find it difficult to believe this hysteria whipped up due to natural predation. Especially when you have conflicting evidence coming from law enforcement, vetinary surgeons, medical science, local government, insurance officers and ranchers themselves who are much more aquainted with the nature of their livelihood and the threats "predators" that they cohabit with, probably for generations.
Something else is afoot.
I have not promoted ET as an actor here, just trying to understand why - i.e. Motive. I have never heard a case of any human acting irrationally. Criminality is rational, and so is deception. Even if you took this to be the work of a cultist, you would see patterns emerge that would indicate the use of methods that are interpreted in such a way that underlines their faith reasononing. Once they had this idea or concept to what they was doing, they would be acting in a way that made sense to them, hence would be rational and consistent with their beliefs. This doesn't appear to be the case.
Again, without holistic evidence its difficult to make a suggestion. But here goes...
Two things stick out.
First, why is the animal almost always returned and not disposed of. It would be foolish to leave clues.
Secondly, why is the animal slow to suffer decay and further mutilation by scavengers.
I can only summise, that if, whoever is responsible - that indeed, the corpse is intended to be displayed as it was carved and brought to the general publics attention like a piece of artwork. If we leave out the reasons for the mutilation for a moment, you could say it is at least a form of communication. But what does it symbolise or how do you translate it?
 

DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
Two things stick out.
First, why is the animal almost always returned and not disposed of. It would be foolish to leave clues.
Secondly, why is the animal slow to suffer decay and further mutilation by scavengers.
I can only summise, that if, whoever is responsible - that indeed, the corpse is intended to be displayed as it was carved and brought to the general publics attention like a piece of artwork. If we leave out the reasons for the mutilation for a moment, you could say it is at least a form of communication. But what does it symbolise or how do you translate it?
Again, you're framing this wrong in some respects. The humans are committing a criminal act. Smart humans will "frame" someone else -ET in this case, and the cow is air dropped because the helicopter can't carry a cow in a sling by air for the return. That is too risky to be spotted and caught too! Also, the cow is dropped away from its removal point, again, to leave no evidence at the capture point.

99% of these kills are not found fresh like a piece of artwork. This is disgusting, rotting, and stinking, bloated cows.

The Humans remove the ear to take the ID tag. The other parts are for sampling or hoaxing. Humans are injecting the cows to kill, and other animals are smelling or tasting the chemicals used to drug and kill the cow. So, the cow is left to rot. If you think some artwork or communication is involved, then I think you're falling for the Human ET-Hoax abilities to confuse you too. That is exactly what the Humans are trying to communicate -ET did it.

I think we've already covered the motives and reasons why this is being done.
 
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Sequel

Skilled Investigator
Yep, there is some evidence that its man-made occurence.
Helicopters, UV dye, synthetic drugs and chemicals, a lack of interest and resources for investigation from central government points to either 1. they know the reasons and why it is occuring or 2. They believe that it is most likely natural predation.

I still cannot fathom a motive and reasons (if it is done by people), please expand.
 

DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
I still cannot fathom a motive and reasons (if it is done by people), please expand.
Cattle disease testing, bioweapons testing, radiation testing, microwave weapons testing, Humans faking ET-UFO kills, insurance claims, media whoring, cult BS, rancher wars, revenge, financial ruin, ritual sacrifice, genetics testing, Military or 3 Letter or 3rd party Contract PSYOPS as A COVER for misdirection for Black Ops.

What's YOUR PROBLEM about considering Human Motives or Reasons??? See above for possibilities. Gabe Valdez learned some of the causes and patterns. I think you need to read the first post in this thread to give you more Human and animal reasons too.

You just joined this forum today, so do you have some agenda in favor of ET doing this?
 

Christopher O'Brien

Back in the Saddle Aginn
Staff member
I can almost guarantee you that at least 99% of all kills are natural deaths from disease, poisoning, lightening, or other natural causes that get MISIDENTIFIED as some kind of bizarre "the unexplained" mutilation. The remaining 1% leaves plenty of room for Human testing, hoaxing, insurance claims, media whoring, cult BS, rancher wars, revenge, etc.
You are talking out your rear-end again. You come across as a overbearing know-it-all when you make such grandiose, sweeping statements such as this. As someone that knows more than a little about this phenomenon. I agree that a sizable % of reported cases are probably unusual appearing scavenger action, but nowhere near as high as 99%. The only way to ascertain the real # is to have a vet pathologist do necropsies on all alleged mute cases, and we know that'll never happen. If we could somehow get investigators to establish if cut hair follicles were (or were not) present, that would be a good amateur's litmus test to establish if a given case is high-strange.

As for Wingfield assertion that all mutes are caused by birds... well, I'd give him the same advise I gave you. Stop making sweeping, grandiose statements that cannot possibly be true.
 

Sequel

Skilled Investigator
Cattle disease testing, bioweapons testing, radiation testing, microwave weapons testing, Humans faking ET-UFO kills, insurance claims, media whoring, cult BS, rancher wars, revenge, financial ruin, ritual sacrifice, genetics testing, Military or 3 Letter or 3rd party Contract PSYOPS as A COVER for misdirection for Black Ops.

You just joined this forum today, so do you have some agenda in favor of ET doing this?
Most of that can be performed out of sight in controlled laboratory "field" conditions.
The remainder if at all an aim or ambition of a motive hasn't appeared to have had the said effect for what seems to be a hell of alot of effort.
And if you are to establish a motive, there has to be a singular 'original' motive - not series of conflicting motives to establish culpability in any legal framework or indeed, human behaviour.
Of course, there may be many players involved here, but each player must have there individual game.

Also, i interacted on this forum many years ago, and left as a former biednyite. Only that the cattle mutilation phenomenon has rekindled my appetite, Hence the new avatar.
I have never stated, indicated or even speculated that ET is responsible. Although the evidence is extremely bizarre to just even find a connection to just solely human activity, even though it seems to be tainted with some kind of human factor.
 

DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
As for Wingfield assertion that all mutes are caused by birds... well, I'd give him the same advise I gave you. Stop making sweeping, grandiose statements that cannot possibly be true.
What specifically "sweeping" and "grandiose statements" am I making? Seriously?

Also, you have mistakenly and falsely characterized Wingfield's assertion "that all mutes are caused by birds". He makes no such claims, period. He offers all kinds of Human causes for so called "cattle mutilations" and other animal causes too.
I agree that a sizable % of reported cases are probably unusual appearing scavenger action, but nowhere near as high as 99%.
You're misunderstanding my 99% "kill category" -my 99% includes all kinds of natural caused deaths, see post, and the remaining 1% will include the bizarre appearance or hard to explain how it happened cases. That remaining 1% is certainly NOT limited to just Human causes.
 
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DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
1) Most of that can be performed out of sight in controlled laboratory "field" conditions.
2) The remainder if at all an aim or ambition of a motive hasn't appeared to have had the said effect for what seems to be a hell of alot of effort.
3) And if you are to establish a motive, there has to be a singular 'original' motive - not series of conflicting motives to establish culpability in any legal framework or indeed, human behaviour.
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4) Although the evidence is extremely bizarre to just even find a connection to just solely human activity, even though it seems to be tainted with some kind of human factor.
I'm going to address each of your statements by matching the numbers I gave them above.

1) The sampling has to be done in those locations for some reason(s). I've given numerous Human reasons 'why' for motives. We can't precisely know which specific motive is the cause unless we find specific evidence. I've already told you to research Gabe/Greg Valdez. REAL HUMAN answers can be found-out there.

2) What said effect are you referring too? What "hell of a lot of effort"? You are being FAR TOO VAGUE to make any sense of what you're getting at.

3) No one is suggesting conflicting motives with individual kills. There certainly can be cooperative, symbiotic, and conflicting motives depending on the relationships between multiple Human kills.

4) What do you mean by "extremely bizarre to just even find a connection to just solely human activity" ??? Who is suggesting this?


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Sequel

Skilled Investigator
You are being FAR TOO VAGUE to make any sense of what you're getting at......
...... The sampling has to be done in those locations for some reason(s).
....... I've given numerous Human reasons 'why' for motives.
........We can't precisely know which specific motive is the cause unless we find specific evidence.
........REAL HUMAN answers can be found-out there.

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Mmm? I think you are about as perplexed as what I am. I don't really have an answer.
As for Greg Valdez, he takes the nuclear fallout / contamination aspect. Yet science, has well established the symptoms/effects of nuclear radiation in mammals. The US conducted a magnificient full scale experiment in Hiroshima.
I dont know, running an operation to stealthily select animals in the open, using aircraft /helicopter logistics to pick em up in the dark without being detected, stun it with tranquilisers, manhandle and hoist the beast up, then back to base to do the surgery (or just to make it a bit more challenging - in flight, mind your steady hand, take care not to leave your scalpel in there), take numerous offal cuts (i mean, lets not make it a study based on just the reproductive system, but also the digestive, oratory and mastication systems as well, and lets not take minor samples of tissue, or glandular fluid but the whole lot, also lets make sure the animal doesn't stand much chance of surviving, we all know how an in vitro study trumps in vivo studies in biological science and medicine. Then neglect the rest of the animal, fuel up again, and then go somewhere near, and drop it back off later, be careful not to leave any clues, or just for a bit a fun, frame it on the aliens again quietly does it without being caught, and return to base, clean down and go to bed.
Perfect! What could possibly go wrong?? Its reassuring to know the military knows what its doing, especially holding such a portfolio of arsenal.

I just find it very very very hard to believe, sorry.

Perhaps there was someone who knew a bit more, but don't think he'll talk much ....



 

DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
As for Greg Valdez, he takes the nuclear fallout / contamination aspect. Yet science, has well established the symptoms/effects of nuclear radiation in mammals. The US conducted a magnificient full scale experiment in Hiroshima.
No, it's not just fallout testing. You'll have to take the time to listen to all the audio interviews Gabe/Greg has done. There are at least 5-6 available online. Hiroshima has nothing to do with localized effects for whatever was being tested for. I've already pointed this out before, so you need to move-on off this point.
I dont know, running an operation to stealthily select animals in the open, using aircraft /helicopter logistics to pick em up in the dark without being detected, stun it with tranquilisers, manhandle and hoist the beast up, then back to base to do the surgery[...]
No way! The cow is NOT hoisted but slung underneath. (There are eyewitness accounts.) It is well known the cattle are only taken a short distance away and then returned for air drop, AND PLEASE READ CAREFULLY: NO ONE KNOWS HOW MANY cattle dissections were done this way!!! No one! It is EXTREMELY RARE. PERIOD.

IF (<--prove it) that photo is real, then there is a VERY SICK MURDERER in the Human race that committed this EVIL CRIME. SICK SCUMBAG ET-UFO HUMAN FREAK HOAXER or what other crime/war victim? Or, that's too decomposed to know what happened.
 
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Sequel

Skilled Investigator
I will take your tip. And listen to GV in more detail.

I take your point about the lifting methods employed. But reading Chris' s book it's like the choppers are sniffing around after the deed is done. Usually suspects only return to the crime scene if they have misplaced something. Bit stupid to arouse further suspicion in broad daylight. How do we rule out a meta-investigation isn't been undertaken by the authorities in a clandestine fashion to prevent public fear? Would such an investigation warrant the use of collecting the corpse. Do we have slam dunk evidence that the animals are being slung up alive and captured and dropped down mutilated?

Reading very carefully, you state "nobody knows how many mutilations are done in this way" yet then proceed to state "it's extremely rare", if nobody knows how do you populate your statistic to arrive at determining whether it is rare or not - think there may be a flaw in your logic you may care to revisit. Certainly there is enough evidence in Chris' s book to show the phenomenon is quite significant given that he has already filtered borderline cases. Even if there are outliers the numbers in his distribution are more than a reason to be concerned.

Sorry about that image. I don't know much about its history. But it should help you to focus a little more. It's easy to relax about this topic at a distant when the threat is restricted to some grass muncher in the fields, but images like that help to motivate your concentration.
 

manxman

Paranormal Adept
With Chris your getting the opinion of something like 20yrs serious research, with this dissection stalker bod, your getting the opinion of 10/12 hours lifetime research at most.

Nuff said.
 

Christopher O'Brien

Back in the Saddle Aginn
Staff member
You're misunderstanding my 99% "kill category" -my 99% includes all kinds of natural caused deaths, see post, and the remaining 1% will include the bizarre appearance or hard to explain how it happened cases. That remaining 1% is certainly NOT limited to just Human causes.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Do your research and then make informed, coherent statements that make sense.
 



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