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Area 51 & Roswell Twlight Zone
- Thread starter ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM
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PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
Interesting. It shows a serious difference of opinion, and although the first part of her book seems to be right on, there is some question as to the latter half. As far as the "little people" he (one of the men at Area 51 at the time) supposedly held (she shows how he was cradling one in his arms), this was downplayed by ABC but not ruled out as happening. It seems that he might have seen something but not held something....
Lastly, she states that she has tapes, audio, etc. with these men stating what it is she wrote in her book...I would love to see if she actually releases this stuff! I believe the interviewer was right on when he stated that stories can be changed and mistakenly told years later, so perhaps she needs to collaborate her findings with some audio/video recordings of these men stating thus. As if not, the end result could be similar to others we all know about who changed their stories after initially speaking differently, and thus could be just another govt. coverup attempt at snuffing out the truth that the men clarified with her in the first place.
I guess in time we shall see.
ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM
Whittingham
Watched the videos and still think more to this episode in history and Cold War was full of cat & mouse games why bring out this story now? Where else was there UFO sightings or Crash? around the world? Wonder if Russia, China, Japan, Middle East , South America had any durng the same period?
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
There were a number of alleged crashes in 1945-'47. Some were in Sweden, one supposedly occurred at Socorro NM on May 31, 1947.
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
The ones you mention in "Sweden"....Do you have any sites or information further on these as I never read anything about them. The Socorro New Mexico incident I had.
Double Nought Spy
May I please go back to the zoo now?
Googling "ghost rocket" should get you there. Pretty interesting stuff, but as I recall nothing substantive ever appeared to explain the weirdness. Very definitely some weirdness of some sort going on, but I don't think anybody knows much more than that. Of course there are lots of stories about military retrievals and such, but again, I don't think there was any corroboration.
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
Hmmmm......IXQuicked Ghost Rocket and came up with this site:
PROJECT 1947: A Ghost Rocket Chronology - Joel Carpenter - Part One
This to the context of the subject:
17 Feb 47 - USN CNO Intel Rept on visit of US NA and associates to members of Swedish air staff and SAAB guided missile division. Describes Swedish work on "pilotless aircraft" and missiles - SAAB 301, 302. "During the conversation on guided missiles Colonel Westergard who heads up the Airplane Design Section of the Air Ministry made the following statements relative to the missiles which have been reported over Sweden from an unknown source...there have been about 1,000 observations of which about 10% [? illegible] are reliable...it was stated that the best observation was from an officer of an artillery group who sighted a missile in his optical range finder and was able to follow it for about 1 1/2 minutes. It was in approximately level flight at about 8,000 metres distance and was reported as being about 12 meters long, shaped something like a torpedo. Due to the angle the officer was unable to determine whether or not there were wings....It was stated that every time a Swedish airplane flies over the Baltic anywhere near Peenemünde a Russian airplane promptly appears and shadows it. From this the Swedes assume that the Russians must have good radar coverage of this area. It was also stated that they understood that all civilians had been evacuated from Peenemünde or Ursale [sic?]"
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Advanced V1 testing is what seems to be what they had seen over there....
Interesting.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
Just finished listening to George Knapp's interview of Ms. Jacobsen. Again, I can't speak to her scholarship regarding the overall history of Area 51. The Roswell story is apparently only about 7 out of over 500 published pages. ? But her Roswell blurb came across as cagey and disconnected. Knapp posed some very pertinent questions about the Stalin hoax. Such as asking why the Soviets never proceeded to fill the skies with advanced flying discs post 1947. If I had to choose, I would take the Mogul balloon claptrap over Uncle Joe's flying mutants.
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
Of course, skeptics have long focused on mogul; it's claptrap alright but at least it actually existed.
coyote
Skilled Investigator
Annie Jacobsen discusses her book on Book TV.org
http://booktv.org/Watch/12496/Area+...ory+of+Americas+Top+Secret+Military+Base.aspx
http://booktv.org/Watch/12496/Area+...ory+of+Americas+Top+Secret+Military+Base.aspx
Sentry
Paranormal Adept
A comment found on the Area 51 Facebook page about the ABC coverage :
http://www.facebook.com/Area51TheBook
The Nightline piece was not news, it was an example of attack journalism. It was a prime example of how an argument can be "won" through editing. The camera showed Annie when she was uncomfortable, and shifted to the incredulous expressions of the interviewer when she was making her strongest points.
What the interview skimmed over was the fact that there was indeed a source for the Roswell story, he confirmed the material in the book, his account differing only on minor, not major details.
Jacobsen may deserve this treatment, but manipulation in a news show is pretty crappy. I doubt they'd treat any legitimate paranormal author much better.
http://www.facebook.com/Area51TheBook
The Nightline piece was not news, it was an example of attack journalism. It was a prime example of how an argument can be "won" through editing. The camera showed Annie when she was uncomfortable, and shifted to the incredulous expressions of the interviewer when she was making her strongest points.
What the interview skimmed over was the fact that there was indeed a source for the Roswell story, he confirmed the material in the book, his account differing only on minor, not major details.
Jacobsen may deserve this treatment, but manipulation in a news show is pretty crappy. I doubt they'd treat any legitimate paranormal author much better.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
In a larger sense, Jacobsen has received incredibly generous treatment from the press by virtue of exposure in the major media. I think she must be well connected somehow and probably doesn't care what big media says about her book as long as they "spell her name right", as it were.
The question is whether she's ready for the harder questions, particularly about the Roswell matter. I can think of a few.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
The question is whether she's ready for the harder questions, particularly about the Roswell matter. I can think of a few.
Gene, I for one, would love to hear Ms Jacobsen on a Paracast interview! She might even learn something substantive about Roswell. :
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
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- The Horten Brothers had vanished after World War Two and were then supposedly seen in Eastern held Soviet Germany, or at White Sands, or British occupied West Germany, or one sighting even had the two testing their latest type X (13) craft in the Urals. This, based on eyewitness accounts and not a proven fact.
- I stand by my theory that Kenneth Arnold saw an earlier prototype of the Horten GO 229 in formation over Mt. Rainier, but even if I am mistaken in this, there are still theories out there which are more probable than the usual, “Oh no, it had to be E.T…”..for instance: http://ufos.about.com/od/projectsign/a/projecttwinkle.htm and possibly sun glare or another natural anomaly.
- I have trouble believing Herr Mengele ever witnessed the inside of any Soviet held or occupied landscape, no less worked on deforming the human genome to create miniature “carbon based units” as the cone heads would say. If anyone ever watched The Boys From Brazil, this I think would have been more up his alley to attempt to achieve….although even cloning a Hitler in the late 40’s seems extreme.
Because it wasn’t the Soviet’s who crashed anything the Horten Brother’s developed that day, it was the United States who did.
And then eventually with trial and effort:
Look Familiar to you?
KeyserSoze
Paranormal Novice
Annie Jacobsen's 'Area 51: An Uncensored History...'
Has anyone read this POS? Wow. It's loaded with errors and speculation that she presents as facts. Even if you're willing to look past that the Soviets engineered Roswell to spread panic and that Area 51 was named because it was founded in 1951, there are just basic WWII history errors. What a joke.
Has anyone read this POS? Wow. It's loaded with errors and speculation that she presents as facts. Even if you're willing to look past that the Soviets engineered Roswell to spread panic and that Area 51 was named because it was founded in 1951, there are just basic WWII history errors. What a joke.