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April 8, 2018 — Rev. Dr. Barry Downing with Don Ecker

Discussion in 'Talk About the Show' started by Gene Steinberg, Apr 8, 2018.



  1. Decker

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    See the Congressional Research Service (CRS) publication "Military Service Records and Unit Histories: a guide to locating sources." (2018)

    Military Service Records are available from National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) via Standard Form 180. If you are a veteran or next-of-kin of a deceased former member of the military, you may now use eVetRecs to request copies of military records online, including DD FORM 214, Report of Separation. Please note that you will have to sign and mail, or fax, the form that is generated by an eVetRecs request within 20 days to complete the process. If you are doing genealogical research in military service records, please see NARA's guide Research in Military Records.

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    My first ever post.
    I enjoy listening to Don "bloviating."
     
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    I personally really enjoyed listening to you bloviate Don (learned a new word today :))

    Fascinating show and great insight from both you and the Reverend.
     
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    Yeah, can be hard having all those data points and information jammed in me ... gotta find a venue to release that stuff. LOL !!

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    My own rule of thumb: never take seriously the claim of a human individual who cannot possibly know whereof he/she attempts to speak.

    Enjoyed and appreciated your whole post, @TDSR.
     
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    Before I make my first post as a new member, I just want to thank Gene, Chris, and all the guests and hosts who make THE PARACAST such a great show.

    Fascinating topics, excellent dialogue, and not one once of “fear” about challenging guests on their often controversial opinions of the paranormal and UFOs in particular.

    Regarding the broadcast featuring guests Rev. Dr. Barry Downing and Mr. Don Ecker, I feel it necessary to direct listeners (and forum readers) to some rock solid evidence that Mr. Sitchin was completely wrong about his conclusions.

    During the show, Mr. Ecker (Don) stated that he had yet to see any convincing evidence that Mr. Sitchin was wrong about his theories on ancient astronauts, Nibiru, etc.

    Well contrary to Don’s comments (no offense intended Don), it most certainly exists for those willing to find it - but you’re not going to find it in books or papers written by ancient astronaut proponents or those UFO believers who have no interest in ancient archeology, Mesopotamian religions, ancient languages or Christianity.

    In classic and scholarly fashion, everything you ever wanted to know about why Mr. Sitchin was (is) wrong about his conclusions can be found here (link below). Dr. Michael Heiser is a foremost Biblical scholar (and conservative Christian) who is an expert in ancient Semitic languages.

    Home Page

    Dr. Heiser is the leading expert on WHY Sitchin’s theories are incorrect, and a simple Google or YouTube search will provide you with plenty of Dr. Heiser’s expert opinions on this matter.

    I might also add that Mr. Sitchin was NOT an “expert” in ancient languages as Mr. Ecker had stated, but rather a “self-taught” and self-proclaimed expert based on his years of personal study. There is a difference.

    And for all those who insist Mr. Sitchin was 100% correct about all of his conclusions — or even 50% accurate — you might want to read Dr. Heiser’s “Open Letter” to the UFO community about the evidence which they would need to produce in order to prove Sitchin is (was) correct. That can be found here:

    Open Letter

    In any case, once again great show and keep up the good work. And no offense Don, as I’m just clarifying the answer to your broadcast comments.
     
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    We should remember that we all live in a “Post-Christian” era, and hence many of the Biblical truths are dismissed as “irrelevant” or “impossible” while simultaneously being replaced by things believed but unproven.
     
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    Never heard this era called "post christian", I don't agree...
     
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    Don, I love the way you talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way...LOL I especially love to hear you bring forth facts and catch many flat footed, I find myself laughing out loud, which can be problematic when I am at work listening to the podcast...Thanks for your life time of hard work.
     
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    Wouldn't the Word of God be the best source to make a case? If not then why not? Do you need an extra authority to sanction an ancient text to be the "absolute truth." What if you were born in a different culture--such as in Hinduism, Buddhism (Hinduism stripped for export to China) or Taoism? Would you ask the same questions? Only perhaps you might ask why the guest didn't establish the Rig Veda or Upanishads as certified by some great authority....

    Ask yourself...what makes you accept a holy text as "authoritative"...or "authenticated" truth...did someone teach you this or did you find it on your own? And if you found it on your own, then what "authority" would you claim within yourself to accept the "truth" as is?

    These are questions I've asked myself over and over again...the more I ask the more I find that "authority" from on high is very much missing. To prove this to yourself you only have to find one contradiction in the "word of God" and you will be free...

    Ask yourself why God commanded the chosen not to make any graven image of the likeness of any thing on heaven or earth...and then a few chapters laters commanded Moses to create graven images of cherubim on the ark of the most holy in the tabernacle.

    That is just one of many contradictions in this "word of God"...find others and free yourself from the mental bondage you have accepted from your childhood.

    Sorry if I offend...but you seem lost.

    Edit: Michael Allen is clearly had too many glasses of wine above...he should probably refrain from posting in altered states of mind.
     
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    Stichin was wrong for the right reason...he (like Daniken) was sloppy...very sloppy in their presentation of the material. There are core truths in Stichin (Planet X is not one of them)...

    The core truth...in my humble opinion...is that our planet and human beings living on it may have encountered ET from time to time...and they may have left very subtle traces in our development (no not genetics...but perhaps seeding powerful memes to help guide us to unify the diverse sources of being into unity ) ...the Axial period between 800 to 200 BCE and the 2000 years of human technological and cultural development after many millenia of the same conditions may need further study and explanation...go search for "Emerald Tablet Alchemy and Stellar Nucleosynthesis" and you'll find my hastily written thesis that may shine some light on these questions.
     
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    For this particular seeming "contradiction" it would probably help if you could read Hebrew:

    לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה לְךָ פֶסֶל

    You shall not make "for yourself" (לְךָ) an image. In contrast, the cherubim were commanded by the Almighty, but they were not from the imagination of the Israelites for themselves, if you accept the narrative.
     
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    Well, people who really don’t study the Bible shouldn’t make themselves out to be “experts” on the Bible. I always have to chuckle when I hear UFO experts claim the Bible is filled with UFOs and aliens - pure rubbish.

    Your point above is comparing apples to oranges, but it would take a deeper understanding of the text to understand this.

    The command to avoid idolatry through the deliberate (and un-requested) creation and worship of “graven images” is specifically focused on the fact that societies surrounding the Jews (specifically the Egyptians) did exactly this. God is telling the Jews not to follow this tradition which they were exposed to while in captivity.

    The second is a God-given command to create something that is an earthly representative of God himself, requested by God himself. There’s a difference. The angels on the Ark are representative of the Angels that guard God’s heavenly thrown. They are simply adornment not symbols of worship unto themselves.

    More importantly perhaps is the fact that the Ark of the Covenant was not “worshiped” by masses of people or prayed to as if itself had power — only God was worshiped.
     
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    You can’t really claim Sitchin and Daniken were correct because they were sloppy. The truth is both men are not really experts in ancient Mesopotamian history, culture, and languages. They’re wrong because they interpret archeology and anthropology improperly.

    The claim that Aliens probably tinkered with our DNA, or even if they didn’t somehow inserted cultural memes to teach us something is equally as weak. There’s no real evidence of this whatsoever. It’s all hypothetical based on personal viewpoints that indicate confusion about ancient human history.

    10 years ago I had a flip phone. Today I have an iPhone 7 — one is far superior to the other technologically speaking. Am I to assume aliens, not humans, are responsible?
     
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    What makes you believe we don’t?
     
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    All according to an authority you have presumed in the text prior to reading it--so no I wasn't putting myself up as a "biblical expert." I was addressing the problem of authority...(whose?)

    Many religious people assume that "God's word" is an infallible and complete authority -- when you ask them why, they point to the text and say "here is the word of God and with a deeper understanding you will understand it." (again, by what authority?)
     
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    Is that an authoritative interpretation? Who did you consult to resolve this interpretation? Yourself?

    Human's have made their own books into idols...they worship words.

    MA Sober: sure...that is correct, but irrelevant here...Two drink Michael assumes that his audience has accepted these premises and has build a nice little strawman to kick down.

    Edit: Present company excluded...I was ranting last night. I need to put a flag on these messages that indicates my current mood :)
     
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    I have been meaning to subscribe to DMR and hear more of his bloviations...I think it would be eductional :)
     
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    Equally as weak? How do you know this so precisely?
     
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    Read what real experts say and you’ll understand.
     
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