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Ancient city is unearthed by archaeologists in Egypt

marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
Fun fact: Chewbacca was inspired by Lucas' dog.

Chewbacca's creation as a "gentle, hairy, non-English-speaking co-pilot" was inspired by George Lucas seeing his own dog sitting up on the passenger seat of his car.[5] It is said that Chewbacca's name is derived from собака (sobaka), the Russian word for dog.[6]
Chewbacca - Wikipedia

And spoiler alert: he also helped lead Han Solo to his death. Whether he also assisted in his afterlife journey, I'm not sure.
 
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Red

Paranormal Adept
Oh yea - Chewbacca, helping Han SOUL-o across the Underworld of Outer Space. Why Lucas decided to base all of that Star Wars stuff of of Egyptian Mythology, well, you'd have to ask him, 'cause he most definitely did. My first guess is that he is Brother George, the Mason
First, that sounds eerily similar to the diatribes, er, I mean essays posted by another forum member.

Secondly, it is documented very well Lucas was using the monomyth as defined by Joseph Campbell. And he pulled from a number of sources. Lucas used the power of Nazi symbolism in the first 3 movies for the Empire, as did Abrams in film 7.
 

marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
First, that sounds eerily similar to the diatribes, er, I mean essays posted by another forum member.

Secondly, it is documented very well Lucas was using the monomyth as defined by Joseph Campbell. And he pulled from a number of sources. Lucas used the power of Nazi symbolism in the first 3 movies for the Empire, as did Abrams in film 7.
So obviously it proves a vast giant conspiracy... of nothing.

Except humans like to tell stories.

And there are really only seven different ones.

The Seven Basic Plots - Wikipedia
 

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
And that's pretty much their only commonality:


and



That's a pretty weak link, man.
Talk about weak. Lol. Marduk - official God of Weak rebuttal of 'ancient' Babylon. First of all, you can italicize only all you want, but it doesn't make you correct. In fact, it makes you not just wrong, but foolishly so, since you emphasize it so, getting all dramatic about the point (the point which you are very incorrect on). Further, it immediately informs me that your level of knowledge concerning the mythologies and religions of the world is far below mine, since you believe that is the only commonality to be found - far, far from it. Additionally, calling that commonality a coincidence, as you seem to want to write it off as, is laughable. Lol. Marduk and an Alien/Reptilian avatar, eh? Just a guess, but it looks like you drink that silly Ancient Alien Garbage Kool - Aid, judging from the name and the avatar. Sorry, buddy, there was no city named Babylon in Iraq in 2300 BC for Ancient Aliens to land in and impart Sitchin's BS to. That is a Fairy Tale you believe in, and one for which there is a substantial amount of evidence to disprove. But, you have never reviewed that evidence. Or are even aware it exists, lol. Obviously.

Man, I came here to talk a bit more about Caucasian Samurai and a white dude with red hair named Genghis Khan, but get sidetracked with nonsense. Well, guess I'm going to load up a bowl of Solani 633 and step outside into the night air ...
 
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marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
Talk about weak. Lol. Marduk - official God of Weak rebuttal of 'ancient' Babylon. First of all, you can italicize only all you want, but it doesn't make you correct. In fact, it makes you not just wrong, but foolishly so, since you emphasize it so, getting all dramatic about the point (the point which you are very incorrect on). Further, it immediately informs me that your level of knowledge concerning the mythologies and religions of the world is far below mine, since you believe that is the only commonality to be found - far, far from it. Additionally, calling that commonality a coincidence, as you seem to want to write it off as, is laughable. Lol. Marduk and an Alien/Reptilian avatar, eh? Just a guess, but it looks like you drink that silly Ancient Alien Garbage Kool - Aid, judging from the name and the avatar. Sorry, buddy, there was no city named Babylon in Iraq in 2300 BC for Ancient Aliens to land in and impart Sitchin's BS to. That is a Fairy Tale you believe in, and one for which there is a substantial amount of evidence to disprove. But, you have never reviewed that evidence. Or are even aware it exists, lol. Obviously.

Man, I came here to talk a bit more about Caucasian Samurai and a white dude with red hair named Genghis Khan, but get sidetracked with nonsense. Well, guess I'm going to load up a bowl of Solani 633 and step outside into the night air ...
You obviously don't know me very well, do you?
 

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
You obviously don't know me very well, do you?
You have an obvious grasp of the obvious. Know you very well? I don't know you at all. Here's the deal marduk. I read ONE post of yours. The one I quoted. I have no intentions of reading any other of yours in this thread at this point, as that one told me enough. In that case, with the assertion you made, your level of knowledge is simply not up to par with mine on the subject you were making assertions about, and arguing about any of this with you is the equivalent of talking to a brick wall, especially since your mind is clearly already made up and closed on the issue. One thing I mentioned the last couple times I tried to present this info, before close minded people like yourself started telling me I'm stupid and wrong (BEFORE I can even finish making a damn point - sorry, this stuff can't be 'bantered' about in 4 sentence posts - if you can't handle more than a 144 character Tweet before your focus drifts, well, my stuff ain't for you ...), is concerning Fomeko's work, I have NO intention, nor illusion of persuading anyone that the Historical Chronology was, indeed, Falsified in forum posts, even ones as lengthy as mine. Why? Because of how large a subject is. How is one to sum up a few thousand pages of theory, examples, science, etc., in a few posts? If you want to understand Fomenko's theory, let alone critique and try to find flaws in it, you need to devote time to reading at least 2,000 pages of his work. Minimum. Otherwise stating he is wrong is nothing more than talking out of yer ass and literally not knowing what the hell you are talking about. And I cannot present his work any clearer than he can, so why bother trying. Further, you can read what has been printed in English for free - he has made pdf & electronic versions of his published books available on his site. I subscribe to it, outline some of the conclusions of it, try to point out where I differ from his conclusions, but I have NO intentions of arguing with anybody, such as yourself, that is clueless as to the substance of his work, or has shown themselves to have a much shallower knowledge base than me about the subject they want to argue with me about. I throw out little bits and pieces, like the Julius/Jesus thing, the Pompeii/Sodom ting, the Dog Headed Soul Buddy thing, etc., to spark curiosity out of people to give at least a modicum of open minded thought to it, maybe ask themselves a question or two. To point out these issues and inform that for the couple I point out, well, everywhere you look they exists - you just gotta know what the hell you are looking at and for ...

I guess I need to get back to the Not-Mongolian Horde in the next post ...
 

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
Funny how The Universe works for me. I bust Gene's marble's for not having a YouTube presence, and then, for the first time, I get served up a Paracast episode in the suggested videos. But, I had no idea, as it was titled something like Ancient Southwest Civilizations, or something like that, and the channel was Global Explorers. I stand corrected, to some point Gene, I did not know you were employing stealth marketing tactics, sneaking your brand in behind another, lol. I had been watching some videos from some 'o dem PhD fellas and fellettes talk about Southwestern Archaeology (great data to be gained), which is why YouTube served me up that title. It's a great YouTube channel if that subject interests you - ArchaeologySouthwest (one word). Curiosity got the best of me, and wadda ya know. It is Gene, Chris, and Gary David talking things that interest me. I'm pretty sure I listened to the podcast of that one before, but gave myself a refresher. There are a couple things that jumped out at me in that interview that were glossed over - and it ties in to some of the stuff I am talking about, so I'll touch on that in a bit, later.

I'll start with saying that the Star of Bethlehem, err, the Crab Nebula flared sometime between 1110-1170 AD (the same approximate time the first recorded Virgin Birth, err, Cæsarion Section occurred), NOT in 1054 AD. As far as its location in the sky, well it is located in inbetween the horns of the constellation Taurus. Ya know, a little something like this:

goddess_hathor_ra.jpg

The bull horns with the red disk inbetween is called the Hathor Headress. Of course, all ya'll are sharp enough to figure out that I am suggesting that the Hathor Headress is a representation of the Crab Nebula in the horns of the constellation Taurus. Let me show you another version of the 'Egyptian' Hathor Headress:

sam1.jpg

Hmm. Wonder what a Japanese Samurai is doing wearing an 'ancient Egyptian' headress for a Crest? Speaking of Samurai, say hello to the last surviving Samurai of the Aizu Valley:

sam2.jpg sam3.jpg

From one of Fomenko's books:

Actually, our visual concept of the Japanese Samurai in the epoch when they were still a secluded military ruling caste in Japan. According to modern art and cinema, they had looked just like the modern Japanese – perfectly Asian, in other words. Let us remind the reader that there was a revolution in Japan in 1867-1868. It resulted in the fall of the Samurai power; their remnants became mixed with the rest of the populace ([797], pages 849 and 1571). Nowadays the descendants of the Samurai look just like the rest of the Japanese. However, this appears to be untrue. Before their assimilation, the Samurai appear to have belonged to the Caucasian race. This conclusion was made from the following circumstance.

In 1993-1997 the authors of the present book visited Japan several times, including its central part and the famous Aizu Valley. The city of Aizu-Wakamatsu, which is located at the very centre of the valley, was the Samurai stronghold during the war of 1867-1868. The city has a memorial commemorating several young Samurai, all of which (with a single exception) were killed during the war. One of them, who had still been a young boy, stayed alive until the middle of the XX century. There is a photograph of this Samurai in the local museum, taken when he was already an elderly man. The person we see in the photograph is distinctly Caucasian, with sideburns and large facial features – there is nothing remotely Asian about him (see figs. 7.17 and 7.18). Next to the photograph we see a painting of the Samurai (including this character) on the battlefield, defending this very location. It was obviously painted by a contemporary Japanese artist, whose knowledge of Japanese history already came from modern textbooks and films. Therefore, all the Samurai are depicted as typical Asians. Museum visitors usually only look at this painting – few of them pay any attention to the small but authentic photograph of the Samurai.

In the Aizu Museum of History one learns that, according to archaeological excavations, there were two races inhabiting the region of Aizu – Caucasian and Asian. It is quite natural that archaeologists try to date the graves of the “Japanese Caucasians” to deep antiquity [as there is simply no way, in their indoctrinated minds, that the Church’s Chronology of 400-500 years ago could be wrong, or should even be questioned]; however, many of them might be relatively recent and date from the first half of the XIX century, for instance.


Caucasian Samurai flashing ‘ancient Egyptian’ Hathor Gang Signs on their armor in Japan, eh? These guys lasted a little bit longer than their Mamluk counterparts in Egypt that Napoleon wiped out.

I'll keep the length of this post under control and talk about Genghis Khan in the next one.
 

marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
Ok.

Gently.

Horns on the kabuto were stylized antlers (usually deer) as part of the meadate (front decorations).

They harken to Shinto and were usually part of the decorative armour that was favoured during peacetime because fighting with a horned helmet wasn't normally a good idea.

The circle is not the Crab Nebula. It is the family crest for the diyamo you are serving.

Before you tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, I've practiced and taught aikido for 25 years, as well as jujitsu, iado, and kenjutsu. I speak passable Japanese on the tatami, have participated in Shinto ceremonies, and have been told such things not from google, but from people who's lineages go back hundreds of years.

And yes, I have tried on real kabuto.
 

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
If I asked you to prove to me that Genghis Khan was a Mongolian, born and raised in Mongolia, from where he launched a rather massive military assault on everyone he seemed to know, both east and west of him, would you know how to do that? If I say, "Can you show me his grave, or any archaeological evidence like that?"

Your only real choice is to respond, "Umm, no. Here, I'll quote wikipedia real quick:

Years before his death, Genghis Khan asked to be buried without markings, according to the customs of his tribe. After he died, his body was returned to Mongolia and presumably to his birthplace in Khentii Aimag, where many assume he is buried somewhere close to the Onon River and the Burkhan Khaldun mountain (part of the Kentii mountain range). According to legend, the funeral escort killed anyone and anything across their path to conceal where he was finally buried. The Genghis Khan Mausoleum, constructed many years after his death, is his memorial, but not his burial site."

And then I snicker and say, "Well, how damn convenient is that, lol? Guess we need to start scouring the Historical source documents to see what we can find for 'proof', eh?"

As you work your way backwards, you find your 'best proof' - The Secret History of the Mongols. And you send it my way and say, "See. Pretty damn clear, CJ. It's all right here about exactly who Genghis was, where he was from, and all kinds of other important details about his life, and all the PhD scholars just rave about it, so it cannot be questioned, certainly not by a retired skibum/river rat in Colorado, the High Country, of all places. What an idiot you are."

And I say, "I see. So, that's some book Genghis wrote?"

"Umm ... no"

"So, who wrote it, and when and where did it enter the public domain?"

You stammer a bit and stall, starting to wonder if maybe you bit off a little more than you can chew and maybe CJ ain't the dumbass you were thinking he was, "Umm ... I'll just quote Wikipedia again:

The Secret History of the Mongols is the oldest surviving Mongolian-language literary work. It was written for the Mongol royal family some time after Genghis Khan's death in AD 1227, by an anonymous author and probably originally in the Uyghur script, though the surviving texts all derive from transcriptions or translations into Chinese characters dating from the end of the 14th century, compiled by the Ming dynasty under the name The Secret History of the Yuan Dynasty (Chinese: 元朝秘史; pinyin: Yuáncháo mìshǐ). Also known as Tobchiyan (Chinese: 脫必赤顏 or 脫卜赤顏; pinyin: Tūobìchìyán, Tūobochìyán) in the History of Yuan.

The Secret History is regarded as the single most significant native Mongolian account of Genghis Khan. Linguistically, it provides the richest source of pre-classical Mongolian and Middle Mongolian.[2] The Secret History is regarded as a piece of classic literature in both Mongolia and the rest of the world.
"

"I see. So, this Chinese copy of an alleged Mongolian original that nobody has ever seen produced by an anonymous author and handed to us by The Powers That Be in China that was not written until after Genghis died is the only proof you have? That's pretty weak sauce..."

Mongolia, eh? Let's take a look at the place. I'll enlist Julia Roberts on her little camping trip to help me. If you watch the first couple minutes, at about 44 seconds, they all come out of the yurt. Forget about them. Forget about the people, forget about the yurt, and just look at everything else you see. They'll go back in the yurt with the camera, but come back out, so watch the first couple of minutes, ignore the yurts and people and just focus on all of the other stuff you see in the picture. Ya ready? Mmmkay...:


What'd all ya'll see? That's right - a whole bunch 'o jackcrap nothing. Barren land. Barren of life, barren of natural resources. That's some tough livin' there, ain't it? Just to survive. The life of a Nomad, indeed. One for which I have respect and appreciation. There was the 'Mongol' Horde and Wave. But, anyone that wants to tell me that a group of people from the area known as Mongolia was at the helm of it gets resoundly laughed at, PhDs included. Not possible. Mongolians were no more capable of launching a 'global' military assault force, toppling multiple militaries, etc., in the 13th century than they are today. And that is because of that landscape I drew your attention to - it CANNOT support such. A cultural like that one (pretty damn unchanged in many ways, still, today) is not capable of sending all of its able boys and men of to war, with multiple horses each, etc. Imagine that Mongolian lady's Husband and oldest boy taking off with all of the best horses to go conquer the world. How in the hell is she going to survive? Not because she is a woman, but because keeping herself and her children alive in an environment like Mongolia ain't a one person job. How does she move the yurt from location to location by herself, etc.? And then, with the men and boys that would be causalities of war and never come home, etc. Gimme a break ... what crock 'o shite that Fairy Tale is.

I'll stop there with that - it is enough for one to get the idea of where I am going concerning the relative impossibilities of a military force the size of the Horde basically instantaneously springing up out of nowhere, to quickly disappear again from a place that is ridiculous to consider such happening because of the environmental limitations. All of the societal infrastructure for training, weapons manufacture, organization, food supply, etc., necessary to support a military wave could NOT have originated from the Nomads of Mongolia, with no history of such prior or afterwards, nor is there ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE OTHER THAN HEARSAY, other than 'lost copies' of 'alleged and never seen original' books handed to us by The Powers That Be. The land simply does not have enough natural resources, including the human societal density and infrastructure necessary.

But, that Mongol Horde, and the Blue, White, Golden Hordes were a real thing - just NOT a Mongolian thing. One of Genghis' realtive's names still lives on - the Vatican, named after Batu-Khan (don't forget about the flexion that occurs between b & v). There most definitely is a group of known Horse People from the Asian Steppes, but from the Western Steppes, not Eastern ...
 
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Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
The circle is not the Crab Nebula. It is the family crest for the diyamo you are serving
Lol. You're not getting it. You don't understand the actual History of the 'Diyamo Family' and why they CHOSE that crest. Nothing about that statement disproves any assertion of mine, and is meaningless, quite frankly. This post of yours was sandwiched between two of mine, and I accidentally read it as the page reloaded and stalled on it for second. People, like Red, think you are making some kind of counter point. Lol. You ain't. The fact that the crest belongs to a specific family is completely meaningless to what I am saying. Of course it does - that is what it makes it a Crest. Further, you are NOT telling me anything I do not know, like you arrogantly think you are. I noted it was a Crest, didn't I (IIRC, I ain't going back to check, lol, cause I don't really care). Another subject I have no doubt you are nowhere up to par with me on is the study of Family Crests and Heraldry across time and geography.

Give it up. Now it is an issue of your pride with you hitting the quote/reply button, and you are going to keep doing what you are doing, which is NOT disproving ANYTHING I am saying. It is simply showing everyone how closed minded you are and how INTOLERANT you are of people presenting ideas of things that challenge what you believe to be true.

Before you tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, I've practiced and taught aikido for 25 years, as well as jujitsu, iado, and kenjutsu. I speak passable Japanese on the tatami, have participated in Shinto ceremonies, and have been told such things not from google, but from people who's lineages go back hundreds of years.
Pssst ... marduk ... overhere ... YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Lol. Who the hell cares about your jujitsu crap, I don't. It has NOTHING to do with what I am talking about, nor does it qualify your opinion on anything I have said in any way. And speaking Japanese is in NO WAY any type of qualification to assert yourself as some type of Japan Historical Authority about anything, nor an authority to disprove a theory that takes thousands of pages to fully lay out you are completely clueless about and are barely aware of, let alone understand. Why don't ya stop wasting electrons with interrupting posts that disprove nothing, and go play with your numbchucks, then, Sensai, lol?

It truly was an accident reading your one liner, ill informed, attempt-to salvage-forum-pride-you-feel-slipping-away, and I have no intent to read anymore on purpose, for I value my time more than that ...
 
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mike

Paranormal Adept


    • We do not have any written records prior to about 900 AD. None of these alleged 'ancient' texts are ancient.



    • One Empire was responsible for all of the archaeological remains that have been independently attributed to Romans, Greeks, Phoneticians, Egyptians,




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The fragment was both preserved and dateable by being buried in carbon-containing soil.
 
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mike

Paranormal Adept
The New Chronology is a fringe theory regarded by the academic community as pseudohistory

The New Chronology is rejected by mainstream historians and is inconsistent with absolute and relative dating techniques used in the wider scholarly community. The majority of scientific commentators consider The New Chronology to be pseudoscientific.[3][4][5][6][7][8]

Critics have accused Fomenko of altering the data to improve the fit with his ideas and have noted that he violates a key rule of statistics by selecting matches from the historical record which support his chronology, while ignoring those which do not, creating artificial, better-than-chance correlations, and that these practices undermine Fomenko's statistical arguments.[5] The new chronology was given a comprehensive critical analysis in a round table on "The 'Myths' of New Chronology" chaired by the dean of the department of history of Moscow State University in December 1999.[39][40][41] One of the participants in that round table, the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin, compared Fomenko's work to "the sleight of hand trickery of a David Copperfield".[42]

Fomenko's historical ideas have been universally rejected by mainstream scholars, who brand them as pseudoscience,[30]

Many of the rulers that Fomenko claims are medieval doppelgangers moved in the imaginary past have left behind vast numbers of coins. Numismatists have made innumerable identifications of coins to rulers known from ancient sources. For instance, several Roman emperors issued coinage featuring at least three of their names, consistent with those found in written sources, and there are frequent examples of joint coinage between known royal family members, as well as overstrikes by kings who were known enemies.

Ancient coins in Greek and Latin are unearthed to this day in vast quantities from Britain to India. For Fomenko's theories to be correct, this could only be explained by counterfeit on a very grand and consistent scale, as well as a complete dismissal of all numismatic analyses of hoard findings, coin styles etc.

New Chronology (Fomenko) - Wikipedia

To accept his theory you would have to reject all the evidence to the contrary.

Evidence against a recent creation - RationalWiki
 
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