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Ancient city is unearthed by archaeologists in Egypt

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
And ?...? I'm being honest, not a jackass, when I say I'm not sure what point you are trying to get across with that link. Looks like a relatively mundane, for Egypt, site. One link, three 'likes', and apparently nobody has anything to say about 'ancient' Egyptian archaeology. Hmmm. Well, allow me then, lol. I'm not a man who really ever finds himself at a loss for words, certainly not about subjects like this ...

Tell me, Harry, if I asked you to present with me with the argument supporting the alleged date and antiquity of that site, would you even know where to begin, how to 'prove' that site 5,000 years old? How the Sausage Factory of History actually works? Or, do you just automatically believe everything you read handed to you by Authority and agreed with by the majority without questioning it? Just nod yer noggin and repeat it all as unequivocal, undeniable, unquestionable fact ?...?

You liked something I said, painful though it was for you, lol, in another thread. I'm gonna push my luck and try again. I reckon the easiest way to achieve that is to say as little as possible, lol. So, I'll start with some pictures you might enjoy. I think they're cool. Colorized pics of Howard Carter in 1923 (IIRC) with stuff he 'found' that was actually Nefertiti's Stuff found a decade prior in Arizona in 1909 by a dude named G.E. Kincaid and then shipped across the Atlantic, err, I mean Carter and Queen Tutette's Tomb stuff, err, I mean King Tut's Tomb stuff:

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Cool pics, eh?

Last guy is Lord Carnarvon, financier of it all and who's wife is the product of a Rothschild and mistress.
 
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Han

piscator ψ
The reason I posted the link is because I like sharing information, I will often just post article or links from other sites, and others do the same.
The internet is gigantic, but as I have learned a lot from theses forums I almost feel obligated to repay the favours.

In regard to your question about how I would date a particular "case": I would flip it back to you and ask what leads you to believe that "accepted history" is wrong?
I think you said something about falsification by Jesuits in a previous thread, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.


I will say that I have seen the Acropolis in Athens, and Karnac in Egypt and come to think of it Stone Heng with my own eyes, I wouldn't pretend to be a qualified Historian but that was some pretty convincing evidence, to me at least.

I can't disagree that the pictures you posted are very cool, I had not previously seen colourised versions.

One part I couldn't quite get my head around was when you said "Nefertiti's Stuff found a decade prior in Arizona in 1909 by a dude named G.E. Kincaid and then shipped across the Atlantic,"

what do you mean when you say "found"? are you saying Nefertiti's stuff was Previously taken from Egypt to America and then back again? or that it was in America in the first place?
 
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Red

Paranormal Adept
The reason I posted the link is because I like sharing information, I will often just post article or links from other sites, and others do the same.
The internet is gigantic, but as I have learned a lot from theses forums I almost feel obligated to repay the favours.

In regard to your question about how I would date a particular "case": I would flip it back to you and ask what leads you to believe that "accepted history" is wrong?
I think you said something about falsification by Jesuits in a previous thread, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.


I will say that I have seen the Acropolis in Athens, and Karnac in Egypt and come to think of it Stone Heng with my own eyes, I would pretend to be a qualified Historian but that was some pretty convincing evidence, to me at least.

I can't disagree that the pictures you posted are very cool, I had not previously seen colourised versions.

One part I couldn't quite get my head around was when you said "Nefertiti's Stuff found a decade prior in Arizona in 1909 by a dude named G.E. Kincaid and then shipped across the Atlantic,"

what do you mean when you say "found"? are you saying Nefertiti's stuff was Previously taken from Egypt to America and then back again? or that it was in America in the first place?
Han, I wouldn't worry about one person's opinion. I, for one, enjoy these kinds of posts. Anything that expands one's knowledge of the world is never a bad thing.
 

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
Ever reflect upon the history of History, Harry? Let's start with a sub-niche of History, Egyptology, and ponder the history of that. Who were the first Egyptologists? But first, I'm going to rub out a flake of Solani 633: Virginia Flake with Perique and step outside and enjoy it while I ponder what all exactly I am going to cover in this post, for it is a large, complex, convoluted subject. I'll be back in about 45 minutes, or so ...

Mmmkay. I'm back. Sorry that took so long. And it did 'cause it's tomorrow, now, as it was 1:30 in the morning when I finished the above, and me, my Red Heeler, and my computer decided to go to sleep and finish this post today. Got caught up watching a video of Chris' I hadn't seen before on my phone from a talk he gave in 2012 at MUFON LA. Btw, Chris, if you come across this post, how many presentations have you given over the years telling people that the Sand Dunes are by Del Norte? I think that is the second video I've seen where you use the same slide that looks like a Google Earth overview of the SLV. Pssst ... overhere ... you got it upside down, and north is on the bottom of that pic, lol (though the first one was orientated correctly). A "stylized view" of the SLV, indeed. Speaking of Del Norte, there are some interesting pictographs near there that are allegedly and likely tied to some of that buried gold stuff that you seem to have an at least mild interest in. The Dunes are a cool place. Blew me away the first time I saw them as a kid. That's a lot 'o damn sand where you don't expect it to be. The drive over Medano Pass and setting up camp on the backside is a nice way to enjoy them. Amazing how powerful wind is, eh? A land of shallow lakes dries up in a short period after a minor climate change, and centuries later, after a pervasive Valley wind on the now dried up lake beds and, well, hello Great Sand Dunes of the SLV. They still hold the annual Crane Festival in Monte Vista, though, in remembrance of Aztlán and for the few Sandhill Cranes that migrate through the now much drier and lakeless SLV, the Place of Cranes. Yea, I said centuries. Bye bye Aztlán, hello Great Sand Dunes. People underestimate Mother Nature - until they experience it and She starts kicking their ass and they think they are going to die. Pulled my share of customers back in the raft in my days with the look of the Fear of God on their face, for they had no clue how powerful moving water is until they found themselves in the midst of it and thinking they were going to die, as some do every year on the Colorado rivers. I can tell you what 100+ mph winds on the very literal ridge of the Continental Divide of North America in a snowcat in the middle of winter is like. Nerve wracking is good way to start describing it. That road I was cutting up there years ago you see in my avatar? A few hours of wind up there, and that 15' road cut disappears, without any fresh snow falling from the sky. Wind can move a LOT of sand suddenly left over from a bunch of shallow lakes quickly drying up over the course of a few centuries - Dunesfull of sand ...

Ever check out those three graves on that RV park property just south of the Dunes? I'm about 90% certain one of those graves was a false grave filled with that gold stuff, with my reserving about a 10% chance that it was the Mormon cemetery up Urraca Creek a bit south of there being the site. It has ties to stuff on the east flank of Culebra, too. Big stuff at multiple alleged sites, including south into Mexico. Old Stuff. Stuff that dwarfs your 1888 load of dimes. And I assure you Treasure Trove permits do not work like that. First, you have to provide actual evidence to reasonably conclude said treasure exists in said location to even be considered being granted one, and "Little Green Men flew me around in their spaceship and showed me," ain't gonna cut it - you are going to need solid evidence. Next, if you are on public land, I assure you your first battle will be the government trying to claim legal ownership in the courts. Then come the others - found dimes lost in the 1880's off a Wells Fargo Stagecoach? Well, the Denver Mint never went anywhere, and those are still their dimes, aren't they? I'm sure they'll at least thank that guy for finding their dimes for them, lol. Find 'Spanish' gold? I assure you if it is a sizable amount, descendants of 'owners' armed with lawyers will come out of the woodwork. And if you think you found treasure under somebody's house, you are NOT going to be given permission by the government to dig it up, take it, and call it yours. In that case, your only hope is to approach the land owner, and convince them it exists and they can't find it without you and get cut in on a percentage of it. Most recovered gold was recovered without a Treasure Trove Permit and has been 'disposed' of quietly over the decades, often on that thing called the Black Market or invovling some type of serious hiding/melting & casting/laundering of money, lots of coins sold off the books at numismatic conventions, etc. Firstly, as it was illegal to own gold from FDR's Gold Confiscation Act in the 30's (a VERY active time period for Masonic Treasure Hunters in the West and Southwest) until when owning it was made legal again (in the 70's, IIRC), and secondly to avoid all the aforementioned ownership court battles. Harry's country actually has very fair and good for the preservation of History and personal wealth of lucky treasure hunter Treasure Trove laws. If one were to find a buried treasure, you, your stress level, and your bank account (and more importantly, the Historical Record, as this stuff doesn't get peddled on the Black Market in the UK like it has in the US) would be much, much better off finding that buried treasure in England versus the US.

While I snickered when you told the little Grey Alien up there with you that you did not believe in him, I did cringe a bit when you praised Sitchin's Annunaki Garbage, though, and while I like Farrell, I ain't sold on his Ancient Cosmic War. This blending of comparative mythology (pretty much by people who have done nothing but a surface investigation into said mythologies, and simply cherry pick what they want to fit their pet theories (Farell has a PhD in Patristics, so he is well read on such. And well, Farell is an expert in a Fairy Tale created about 500 years ago that he thinks took place 2,000 years ago, and other 'experts' in the field, like DM Murdock, so arrogantly proud of their conclusions of the Romans, 2,000 years ago, creating the dude people call Jesus, and as an amalgamation of 'older' similar figures, like Mithras, Zoaseter, Buddah, well, those folks are wrong as hell, as the 'Jesus' figure is the original, with the others being reflections of that manipulated story with none of it being more than 1,000 years old, so, PhDs in Fairy Tales and Jesuit BS and arrogant as hell Atheists (people with a CHOSEN belief system for which there is NO logic or evidence to support, ya know, a religion called Atheism), though held by intelligent people, aren't very impressive to me, lol ...)) into ancient aliens is, well, it makes me snicker. Wow. That's a helluva parenthetical interruption I threw in that last sentence, and I digress from 'ancient' Egyptology, lol ...

Back to the History of Egyptology. For a brief intro, I am going to defer to Anatoly Fomenko, and just lazily quote him. Who is Fomenko, aside from a dude who sounds like he might like borscht and vodka? Well, he is Double Dr. Fomenko, PhDs in mathematics and physics, and the head of the Department of Differential Geometry at Moscow State University, and he has been involved in the subject, the Falsification of the Historical Chronolgy, since the 70's when he first came across the matter via an issue in celestial mechanics where historical documents (Ptolemy's Almagest) were consulted for historical Lunar eclipse data and had the Moon doing some quite impossible things according to Newtonian Laws:

Anatoly T. Fomenko is a full member (Academician) of the Russian Academy of Sciences (1994), the International Higher Education Academy of Sciences (1993) and Russian Academy of Technological Sciences (2009), as well as a doctor of physics and mathematics (1972), a professor (1980), and head of the Differential Geometry and Applications Department of the Faculty of Mathematics and Mechanics in Moscow State University (1992). Fomenko is the author of the theory of topological invariants of integrable Hamiltonian system. He is the author of 180 scientific publications, 26 monographs and textbooks on mathematics, a specialist in geometry and topology, variational calculus, symplectic topology, Hamiltonian geometry and mechanics, and computational geometry. Fomenko is also the author of a number of books on the development of new empirico-statistical methods and their application to the analysis of historical chronicles as well as the chronology of antiquity and the Middle Ages.

Using the term polymath to describe him is a legitimate use of that word. From one of those books referenced above:

It is believed that the first “reasonable” conceptions of Egypt were formed in Europe as late as at the end of the XV century ([464], page 46). Apparently, the first attentive researchers who made their way to mediaeval Egypt were the Jesuits – fathers Protius and Francois ([484], page 78). Later, in the XVIII century (1707) another Jesuit, Claude Siquart, was sent to Egypt as a missionary at the personal order of the French king in order to draw a plan of the Egyptian antiquities ([484]], page 78). It is believed that “with the books of Strabon and Diodorus of Sicily at his disposal, he was capable of estimating the sites of Thebes and the Theban necropolis correctly” ([484], page 79).



“Many of his papers ended up in France, and their extracts [why only ‘extracts’?] were published by the Jesuits . . . Some part of the extremely valuable materials that he had collected was lost . . . This discovery awakened the curiosity of his numerous contemporaries. If we are to believe the lettering from one of the sepulchres, which has become obliterated or simply lost [?! – Auth.], another priest, Richard Pocock, visited the Valley of the Kings on 16 September 1739” ([484], page 79).


Jesuits don't just 'lose' stuff like that ...

Egyptology - brought to you by the Universal Church of Amen-Ra and the Secret Society of Jesus, a Military Order, based outta Rome ...

Fomenko, and a team of other mathematicians, have used specialized software to date some of those, umm, 'ancient' Egyptian horoscopes. They wrote a book just on that subject alone. Fascinating stuff ...

If you have even scratched the surface of 'things Egyptian', you have come across this famous bust, allegedly thousands of years old and of Nefertiti:

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That bust is an Art Noveau fake. It is a plant. It is disinfo:

Is this Nefertiti – or a 100-year-old fake?

It was the Jesuit Siquart who 'found' the Amrna Boundry Stella. Between that, the bust, and the Amrna Letters surreptitiously found there, well, that's all the Jesuits need to do to fix it as fact. Well the Masonic Illuminati Fellas tied up the loose ends (people like Napoleon ...) The Amarna Hersy and Ahkenaten & Nefertiti are quite important in all of this but, of course, the Jesuits have the issue all confused and muddled, including displacing it all in location and time. That Jesuit didn't 'find' the Boundry Stella at Tel El Amarna - he chiseled it into the sandstone ...

And none of that proves anything, nor outlines anything. They are just some tidbits of bigger morsels I need to introduce on the surface to circle back round to.

Here's my dilemma, Harry: talking about this stuff with all ya'll here is a commitment, lol. A 1,000 page book from me about all of the things I talk about, and how they all tie together, would be a very condensed version. Fomenko has written several thousand pages about the Historical Chronology alone, let alone his attempts at a reconstruction (which I have differences with) which are thousands more pages (and mostly in Russian). And his work is but one aspect of it all. So, if I am going to chat about the subject of this thread - an archaeological site that is alleged to be 5,000 years old, well, explaining to you why that site ain't 5,000 years old, why pretty much everything you believe about things Egyptian is, as you blokes across the Pond say, a bunch of bollocks, and why a bunch of PhDs you automatically assume couldn't possibly be wrong about all of that, are, well, wrong as hell about all of that, lol, will take a few long posts.

I need to think about if I want to invest the time and circle back to those pictures and explain why I posted them and that whole Nefertiti/Grand Canyon/Tutette bit. Which will then lead to other subsequent long posts about subjects you may incorrectly think to be unrelated, etc. And, now, since I was too stupid to figure out how to change some user CP settings last time I was here regarding my inbox and am here and made a couple posts, I need to figure out if I wanna take the time it will consume to educate all ya'll with some of that stuff called Truth that, for the looks of the things around here and some of all ya'lls conclusions and assertions, seems to be ominously absent ...
 

Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
Han, I wouldn't worry about one person's opinion. I, for one, enjoy these kinds of posts. Anything that expands one's knowledge of the world is never a bad thing.
I wasn't being offensive, just askin'. Like having yer knowledge expanded, Red? Well, consider yourself in luck if I keep typing, for that is precisely what I can do for you ...
 

Red

Paranormal Adept
I wasn't being offensive, just askin'. Like having yer knowledge expanded, Red? Well, consider yourself in luck if I keep typing, for that is precisely what I can do for you ...
Lovely. :p
Seriously tho, you offered your opinion, and as this is a free country...
 
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Han

piscator ψ
What do you think about this cave called Chauvet?
Chauvet Cave - Wikipedia

According to carbon dating it is around 30,000 years old.

Chauvet Cave - Wikipedia

Again I wouldn't pretend to have a full understanding of the process of carbon dating, but I understand that some of the paintings have scratch marks in them from Cave Bears, which went extinct thousands of years ago.

Cave bear - Wikipedia

I believe they found some bones that have stalagmites formed over them, a process which I understand to take thousands of years.

How long does it take stalagmites and stalactites to form?
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
I wasn't being offensive, just askin'. Like having yer knowledge expanded, Red? Well, consider yourself in luck if I keep typing, for that is precisely what I can do for you ...
If I might make a polite suggestion: It's easier on the eyes to divide longer posts into shorter segments. I try to keep mine down to 3 lines as viewed on a 23 inch HD monitor. When posts have longer rambling segments, I tend to gloss over the content, and I imagine I'm probably not the only one.
 

Red

Paranormal Adept
What do you think about this cave called Chauvet?
Chauvet Cave - Wikipedia

According to carbon dating it is around 30,000 years old.

Chauvet Cave - Wikipedia

Again I wouldn't pretend to have a full understanding of the process of carbon dating, but I understand that some of the paintings have scratch marks in them from Cave Bears, which went extinct thousands of years ago.

Cave bear - Wikipedia

I believe they found some bones that have stalagmites formed over them, a process which I understand to take thousands of years.

How long does it take stalagmites and stalactites to form?
This is the stuff I like to ponder. The need for expression is a very old trait within humanity. Art, language, communication, how do they intersect and interact with each other?
 
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Cat Jockey

Skilled Investigator
I've chatted about this stuff a bit before, but then Burnt and Robert began to distract, sidetrack, and then bore me at some point early into it. That's no Love Triangle there with us three from those brief exchanges. More like a Jackass Triangle - all three of us think the other two to be jackasses, lol. Kinda funny. That'd be a helluva thread - just me, Burnt, and Robert talking about something, lol. Well, I suppose the optimistic way to look at all of that is that it also means we all agree on at least one thing with other two.

I'm gonna type real quiet like this time. You guys make sure to read quietly, too. Sssshhhh. Hopefully Burnt won't hear me and stop by to start throwin' down some of his tortured pseudo-poetic mumbo jumbo in lieu of intelligent, open minded discourse again ...

There are at least three significant cover ups of information to contend with when trying to sort all of this stuff out, including sorting out the 'UFO' stuff. The one Fomenko identifies is the one that took place circa 1500's-1600's. And the pile of BS known as the Historical Chronology handed out by the Jesuits (the spearhead of the operation, but others were involved) at that time is very, very entrenched today - from the Hallowed Halls of Academia to 'Alternative/Diffusionist' Historians like Childress, Bauval, Schock, et al., to the Conspiracy 'Theorists', to people like DM Murdock and Joseph Atwill with their very, very incorrect theories about teh origins of the Bible and what it is all about, to the average Joe/ette. And so many of these Childress/Murdock/UFO GOOROO/(Insert your favorite Conspiracy Talking Mouth here)/Etc. 'free and open minded thinkers' have their theories so intertwined and dependent upon the Falsified Chronology (and their reputation staked on those theories), that, well, forget about any of them, in general, approaching the subject with an open mind, for they know if Fomenko is right (if they ever come across his work), all of them pretty much have to come out and say, "So, all that stuff I have been sayin' for decades, promoting myself as an expert seeing through all of the BS to bring you, my loyal fans and followers, clarity, education, and Truth, insisting how right and brilliantly smart I am, well, turns out all of my theories are built upon a steaming pile of BS, and, well, I need to start over on a lot of things. In fact, pretty much everything I said was wrong or worthless in regards to understanding Truth, even though I insisted to you it was the Truth, so, umm, just forget about all that, okay? Don't worry, though, I'll totally tell you about my 'new' theory I will just know is right this time in my new book, and then you can buy a ticket to see me talk about it at a conference and tell you to buy my new Book of Truth in the back when I am done speaking."

Who's going to volunteer to do that? Keep that in mind if I keep posting about this stuff and start talking about the Mythologies of the world, well, from reptilian believers, to UFOers and their Ancient Alien Garbage (very, very largely based upon said mythologies), so many of the 'thinkers' and 'speakers' in all these fields (Pure UFO, to Conspiracy of all sorts, to people like Childress and his diffusionism theories) have so heavily based their work upon many of these mythologies that their theories start to fall apart once you understand the mythologies true source and who they are talking about, and when.

Now, wrapped up within that cover up that Fomenko's work deals with is another one (a couple, actually) that Fomenko does not identify. It involves the events of that thing called the Crucifixion and the Amarna Heresy, both of which were circa 1200 AD - it is all the same event, just called different things. It (Fomenko not identifying this cover up) does not affect the actual scientific aspect of his work concerning the Falsification and elongation of the Historical Chronology but does affect his reconstruction. It should be noted that of his reconstruction, he fully states he is speculating about much, doesn't claim to be able to nail down anything with more than 50-100 year accuracy, and calls for multidisciplinary scholarly work to reconstruct the actual history of the last 1,000 years, 'cause it ain't an easy task, nor that for one mind. Fomenko himself pins the Jesuits largely responsible for all of this. First of all, they are the only group capable of pulling it off, starting with they were EVERYWHERE pretty immediately after their founding, including the Far East, including setting up and running things like Universities. Jesuits, as a group, are also, quite literally, one of the most intelligent groups of people there are. Plenty of PhDs amongst Jesuits, and plenty of Jesuits with multiple PhDs. They have been involved with the education system since their founding. They were also founded by an ex-soldier and are a Military Order.

When I talk about Jesuits and the Vatican, or any other 'group' I identify, I am talking about a select few within. Plenty of Priests who are neither pedophiles, nor up to anything nefarious, nor aware that such is even going on. Just know I am not painting with as broad a brush as it may appear with those words. And there are multiple 'groups' involved in all of this stuff, some having been for CENTURIES ...

Just to refresh with the bare essential of Fomenko's work. For now it doesn't matter if you think it impossible for him to be right at this point, as the only way one can actually have an opinion about that is to have first read his work, otherwise, one simply is in a position of not knowing what the hell they are talking about concerning his conclusions if they choose to opine on said conclusions. These are simply some of his conclusions, understanding of which is important to understanding the things I talk about aside from Fomenko's work. Think what you want of them, just know what they are so you can understand how the variety of things I talk about are actually quite tied together:

  • We do not have any written records prior to about 900 AD. None of these alleged 'ancient' texts are ancient.
  • One Empire was responsible for all of the archaeological remains that have been independently attributed to Romans, Greeks, Phoneticians, Egyptians, etc., and none of them are anywhere near as old as they are currently claimed by academia (he puts construction of the Roman Colosseum somewhere around 1300 or 1400 AD, as an example).
  • The Empire's capital was, depending upon the time frame, in the Constantinople area, or to the north of there in Kiev. In the latter stages of the Empire, before it officially collapsed, it was known as the Hapsburg Empire, and it was based out of Kiev.
  • The events of the New Testament occurred on the Bosporus in Turkey, not Israel, and circa 1185 AD, not 2,000 years ago. The 'Jesus' character is based upon the Byzantine Emperor Andronicus Komnenos.
  • The events depicted in the Old Testament happened AFTER the New Testament events, and are retellings of events occurring in Asia Minor, Europe, Russia, not the Middle East. None of the events of the Bible, Old or New Testament, happened prior to about 1200 AD. As an example, when you read in the Old T about the Trumpets blowing the walls of Jericho down, well, you can call a cannon a trumpet if you want - it is still going to blow a castle wall down and it is still a cannon, not some magical, Biblical trumpet.
  • Egypt was the Royal Graveyard of the Empire, not its capital. It was also the major grain supplier to the Empire. (I also label it as the Religious Epicenter of the Empire).
  • The Historical Chronology was significantly elongated in the 1500's-1600's, and the Bible wasn't finished being written until that time, either, and it was put together to support the Falsification.
  • There's obviously a lot more to it than just this, lol.
Far more conclusions than that, just a little of the gist of it all - the Historical Chronolgy was Falsified 500 years ago, there was one Empire that emerged at some point at who we have no written record from prior to about 900 AD (hence don't know much, if anything, about that, or any, Empire prior to that), that one Empire is responsible for the 'ancient ruins' that have been falsely attributed to fictional societies that never existed in time (Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, etc.), the Hapsburgs were the last really identifiable 'rulers' of that Empire and it went into a severe collapse during the Reformation Era, and everyone, including every PhD, is still all bass ackwards and turned around, and wrong as hell about most of what they say concerning History. Lol. But not really lol, cause this is a jacked up world all ya'll live in, and will continue to remain such, and get worse, if History is not understood properly, among other things ...

Trust me when I say I understand how preposterous that all sounds on the surface. Pretty much every Historian and Archaeologist in the world has History totally wrong, even with all of this alleged 'hard science' from the field (like the often very, very biased and unscientific Interpretive Tea Leaf Reading called C14, etc.). And that doesn't sound like it is even conceivably possible, does it? That it is silly to even consider. It took me a good couple years of reflection, further research, etc., after I a came across his work before I was ready to actually fully subscribe to it - it seems 'impossible' on the surface. Did to me, too. But, I assure you that 'impossibility' is simple that - and illusion on the surface ...

My guess is Fomenko is an Eastern Orthodox Christian. I guess that, or he and/or the translator was trying very hard to not offend Christians as he is telling them Jesus was a Byzantine Emperor who lived and died 850 years ago, not 2,00, lol. He also has a higher IQ than you. Fomenko is literally in the upper fractions of a percent of the global population of 7 billion brains when it comes to IQ. That doesn't make him right about Christianity or anything else, but his 7 book set (each book is several hundred pages long and college textbook size) is science and rigorous thought, and nothing but. Whatever his beliefs about all of that are, he never states them overtly (I suspect he is, but actually don't know his belief system, if any) and the only ramifications are that he identifies Jesus as Andronicus and seems to believe in his 'godliness', if only believes by default of never really questions those claims. Again, the science and theory behind it all are precisely that - science and critical thinking. So, don't be scared because he doesn't attack Christianity like an Atheist, lol. The two are NOT intertwined (his work on the Chronology and any religious or spiritual belief), and there is nothing about subscribing to Christianity that has anything to do with subscribing to his work and theory. He never states it, but if he is a Christian, well, I sure as hell ain't in that Biblical sense. I couldn't subscribe to his work if it had any basis in Christianity or any religion.

I just gotta throw that caveat out there, as UFOers seem to forget that the vast majority of the world is NOT Atheistic, and half of the world's population is either Catholic/Protestant, Muslim, or Hindu. Throw in the Buddhists, and everyone else, and there are a lot of SMART people, including people with PhDs in science related fields, who are NOT Atheists. They may not be religious or really spiritual at all and genuinely agnostic in their views, but I assure you there are plenty of non-Atheistic scientists. And a great many of those smart people successfully separate spiritual beliefs from their scientific work, and you don't even know those beliefs exist, as they are never an issue. With this subject, however the Bible is intimately intertwined, as it was written and assembled precisely to SUPPORT the Falsified Chronology, so it has to be talked about in Fomenko's work. And I have already seen people here that don't understand Atheism is a belief system, like ANY other religion. Look at the word. It is pretty damn simple to understand, and ridiculous to deny. These are Greek words, and in Greek, the 'a' prefix has a meaning. A Theist believes in the existence of a God. An A-Theist BELIEVES the opposite; namely there is no such thing as a God or 'Higher Power'. They are NOT open to discussion about the matter, are they? They mock and deride anyone that suggests the existence of things Spiritual as being stupid and backwards thinking - this is the VERY ESSENCE & CORE of a BELIEF SYSTEM, as Atheism most definitely is - a Belief System, just like ANY religion - they have made up their mind; they have a BELIEF about it. And, amusingly and ironically, one for which they have ZERO evidence, or even any real overwhelmingly intelligent argument, arrogant and snarky as Atheists are about their belief system they incorrectly claim they don't have, lol. A Gnostic has knowledge of things (in this case, Spiritual things). An A-Gnostic (agnostic) has no knowledge - "Maybe the Atheists are right, maybe the Theists are right. I dunno, they dunno, everybody is just guessing, nobody has any real knowledge about it, any Gnosis, to say either way, and I keep BOTH options open to receipt of further evidence and argumentation." The 'true' lofty intellectual purist scientist can only be agnostic, not Atheistic, and say, "I dunno - I haven't seen enough verifiable scientific evidence to tell who's BELIEF is correct - the Theists or the A-Theists," else they are being intellectually dishonest and inconsistent, scientifically.

Personally, I define myself as a very Spiritual person, and way more 'in touch' with all of that then the average person. I'll leave it at that. I also think science and the scientific method is a constrained model under which to try to understand such, let alone have any experience or interaction with it. I was told by someone that got to know me while still a sophomore in college, "Come see me as soon as you graduate, so I can put you to work." I walked away from all of that as Junior to go be a skibum. All of that being my academic pursuit of degrees in Electrical Engineering and Mathematics and the waiting job was at Lockheed Martin in the aerospace industry/military industrial complex. I like science and the scientific method, understand it well, etc. I don't, however, arrogantly and closed mindedly proclaim it to be the be all, end all and ultimate and only way to understand EVERYTHING (like matters that may be of a Spiritual Nature), though.

Ask Bigelow how all of that science and scientific method framework worked out for understanding this stuff. Lol. His ass should've brought in a Shaman, someone in touch with that kind of stuff more than your average pointy head pencil and calculator pusher ...

So, to finish this post up, let me just offer a couple tidbits of how it all works. How it was pulled off. The original chronicles were both destroyed and tendentiously edited, with some surviving here and there. There were also works, like Josephus' Works, that are complete fabrications, meant only to support the BS with no basis in actual History. But, obviously, there are enough identifiable elements of surviving, genuine texts to conclude the originals only go back to 900 AD. From that, the written History from 900 until about 1500 was duplicated, with things like dates, places, names changed. Through statistical mathematics, Fomenko created this visual representation. What's in the bottom right is the actual Historical record (with the period around 1250 AD to be very lacking in any real historical data), then broken down into segments and labeled. Those segments were then pulled out, duplicated, rearranged in order, etc, to elongate the known Historical Chronology and record by thousands of years. A snapshot from one of his books:

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I ain't a PhD in mathematics, so I really can't check Fomenko's math, can I? What I can do, however, is find evidence in the actual Historical Chronicles of these duplications of events, with slight changes, you see in that graph to verify Fomeko's work. One thing among other things there is to do (and I am doing) to verify his work (I actually subscribe to it, after a couple of years of reflecting upon it). Some more of that boots on the ground Field Work type stuff to be done as well. I actually came across Fomenko's work because I figured out that Julius Cæsar and Jesus Christ, well, that was the same person. And this gets into how Fomenko's work can be verified using other methods.

Let's play a game I made up that I call Jesuit Déjà Vu:

I say, “Tell me a figure from History who’s initials are JC, was born of a Virgin Birth, had a friend named Mark who led the way for his deification after death, and was betrayed by a confidant leading to his execution at the hands of the Romans.”

And you say, “Well, CJ, I need more info. For, a C-Section is a ‘Virgin Birth’, I don’t know if you are talking about Mark Antony or Mark the Evangelist, and I don’t know if the confidant is Brutus or Judas. So, I need more info to tell you which JC it is - Jesus or Julius.”

Here’s another one. I say, “Tell me the name of two cities that were notoriously aberrant and deviant in their sexual behaviors, were destroyed when fire and brimstone fell from the sky, and whose inhabitants were turned into pillars of salt.”

And you say, “Well, those bodies left behind in Pompeii and Herculaneum most definitely look like pillars of salt, P & H were as sexually perverse and deviant as the Biblical Sodom and Gomorrah ever were, and all four cities were destroyed by fire and brimstone from the ‘heavens’, so I don’t know which pair of cities you are talking about.”

See how it works? Same story retold, being shifted in time and geography to elongate the Historical Chronology. We can play this game of Jesuit Déjà Vu all day long. That Sack of Constantinople circa 1200 AD, aka the Trojan War, as a direct result of the Crucifixion of the person people erroneously call Jesus Christ a decade or two earlier, was a pretty important event with global implications. Think Copper Scroll of Dead Sea Scroll fame, the stashing of money and religious objects by the Priests of Amen who were in control of about 90% of ‘Egypt’s’ shipping fleet circa the Armana Heresy (aka the failed Spiritual, Societal, Cultural, and Political Revolution people think happened 2,000 years ago in Israel as relayed in the New Testament (and even earlier with ‘Ahkenaten’ and Nefertiti, but happened about 850 years ago).

Person A/Event A was duplicated with changed names, place locations, etc., to then also be called Persons B, C, D, etc., as well as real Person/Event A & B being combined into one Person/Eevnt C. Back to Constantinople, circa 1200 AD. Going to source documents (which, in the end, only fill up a few library shelves and is a relatively meager collection - all of the Historical source documents your education was based upon, that is), you can find what Nicaetas Chroniates, a claimed eye witness to the Trojan War, err, First Crusade, err, Fourth Crusade, had to say about the Crusader Sack of the city. This is a source document I am quoting here:

How shall I begin to tell of the deeds wrought by these nefarious men! Alas, the images, which ought to have been adored, were trodden under foot! Alas, the relics of the holy martyrs were thrown into unclean places! Then was seen what one shudders to hear, namely, the divine body and blood of Christ was spilled upon the ground or thrown about. They snatched the precious reliquaries, thrust into their bosoms the ornaments which these contained, and used the broken remnants for pans and drinking cups,-precursors of Anti-Christ, authors and heralds of his nefarious deeds which we momentarily expect. Manifestly, indeed, by that race then, just as formerly, Christ was robbed and insulted and His garments were divided by lot; only one thing was lacking, that His side, pierced bv a spear, should pour rivers of divine blood on the ground.

Nor can the violation of the Great Church be listened to with equanimity. For the sacred altar, formed of all kinds of precious materials and admired by the whole world, was broken into bits and distributed among the soldiers, as was all the other sacred wealth of so great and infinite splendor.

When the sacred vases and utensils of unsurpassable art and grace and rare material, and the fine silver, wrought with gold, which encircled the screen of the tribunal and the ambo, of admirable workmanship, and the door and many other ornaments, were to be borne away as booty, mules and saddled horses were led to the very sanctuary of the temple. [A vertible wagon train of Treasure hauled off] Some of these which were unable to keep their footing on the splendid and slippery pavement, were stabbed when they fell, so that the sacred pavement was polluted with blood and filth.

Nay more, a certain harlot, a sharer in their guilt, a minister of the furies, a servant of the demons, a worker of incantations and poisonings, insulting Christ, sat in the patriarch's seat, singing an obscene song and dancing frequently. Nor, indeed, were these crimes committed and others left undone, on the ground that these were of lesser guilt, the others of greater. But with one consent all the most heinous sins and crimes were committed by all with equal zeal. Could those, who showed so great madness against God Himself, have spared the honorable matrons and maidens or the virgins consecrated to God?


Along with all of that Byzantine Emperor Theodore I was installed.

Wait a minute … I thought all of that happened centuries prior, in Rome, not Constantinople:

The College of the Vestals was disbanded and the sacred fire extinguished in 394, by order of the Christian emperor Theodosius I. Zosimus records how the Christian noblewoman Serena, niece of Theodosius, entered the temple and took from the statue of the goddess a necklace and placed it on her own neck. An old woman appeared, the last of the Vestals, who proceeded to rebuke Serena and called down upon her all just punishment for her act of impiety. According to Zosimus, Serena was then subject to dreadful dreams predicting her own untimely death. Augustine would be inspired to write The City of God in response to murmurings that the capture of Rome and the disintegration of its empire was due to the advent of the Christian era and its intolerance of the old gods who had defended the city for over a thousand years.

You understand that 'virgins consecrated to god' in one story are the same group of gals referred to as Vestal Virgins in the other, right? That the 'certain harlot' of one story and Serena are the same, as are the old ladies and the Emperors named Theodore I of one story and Theodosius I of the other.

You’re not going to tell me that is some kind of coincidence, are you (along with a bazillion others)? That would be silly. That the exact same events, separated by almost 1,000 years happened to the same Empire, to Emperors of the same name, etc. They are the SAME event, with one of them having been displaced in time (shifted backwards) and geography to make it seem like two distinct events. Concerning that Byzantine Emperor in that story, English History taught at Oxford is nothing but Byzantine History retold and relocated. The Theodores became the Tudors, England = Angleos (Byzantine Power Family) Land, the Wallachians became the Welsh (this is where the Welsh Dragon comes from - Wallachia and the Order of the Dragon that Vlad, and others, were a member of. Me and that Dragon of Saturn/Amen have a big damn problem. Don’t confuse the legged Dragon or Wyrm of Saturn with the Feathered/Horned Serpent - they are different things, and one of them, the Dragon, ain’t no damn good, while the Serpent is Good Stuff), etc.

Go ask a geologist when Vesuvius erupted. Is s/he going to whip out a pencil, paper, and slide rule and start showing you, scientifically, when it happened? Hell no. They will go to the History Bibles handed out by the Universal Church of Ra-Amen (Christianity - both Eastern & Western, plus ALL Protestant groups are devotees of Amen-Ra/Satrun-Sol, the Two Suns, the Masons Black & White checkered floor and Two Obelisks of Joachin and Boaz. They are all based off of the same BS Book of Amen-Ra. The worship of the two Suns. Sol/Ra and Saturn/Amen (the Hidden/Dark Sun)) a few hundred years ago, specifically to the works of Pliny the Younger (not to be confused with his uncle, Pliny the Elder, who allegedly stayed in Pompeii and died) who watched it all happen, allegedly, from a ship as he fled Pompeii. And when you ask them to scientifically defend the claimed date of 79 AD as the time of eruption, they will NOT be able to do so. All they can do is stammer and point to the Church of Amen-Ra’s History Bibles that just miraculously started floating up outta Castle Dungeons, Church Monasteries, and Italian Republics circa Renaissance. Or maybe point to interpretive Tea Leaf Reading called C14 by labs that can ask an estimated age be submitted with that sample (yea, that is real, umm ‘unbiased science’ going on there, lol. “Hey C14 Lab, how old is this?” - C14 Lab: “Umm … how old do you think it is?” - Archaeologist: “I think it is blah, blah old.” - C14 Lab after testing sample: “That’s how old we think it is, too, then.” With that conversation taking place on the submission forms where Indiana/ette Jones can be asked to supply her/his estimated age (which is based SOLELY off of the Falsified Historical Chronology), as you can find Labs requesting that info on said submission forms BEFORE they test the sample) for as wildly, wildly, and I mean wildly by incredible factors of numbers, inaccurate as the CALIBRATED (nah, no chance for huge errors here) Subjective Tea Leaf Reading called C14 can be, ESPECIALLY for things less than 2,000 years old, which I assure you anything found at Pompeii or Herculaneum is - less than 2,000 years old.

When did Vesuvius erupt? Probably not much more than about 600-700 years ago. Prove me wrong. You can’t, nor can any geologist. All you can do, and I mean ALL you can do, is refer to the work of some guy who allegedly lived 2,000 years ago named Pliny the Younger that the Church handed out a few hundred years ago. And they aren’t even his actual works, are they? His ALLEGED original works don’t exist - only ALLEGED ‘copies’ ALLEGEDLY made by an ALLEGED Monk (that ALLEGEDLY lived centuries before said ALLEGED copy he ALLEGEDLY made, ALLEGEDLY accurately, too, entered the public domain and centuries after ALLEGED original was produced by someone who is ALLEGED to have been an eye witness to an ALLEGED event (namely, one that ALLEGEDLY occurred Pompeii at an ALLEGED time of exactly 1,937 years ago) said ALLEGED ‘copy’ was ALLEGED to have been made of an ALLEGED original some dude ALLEGEDLY named Pliny the Younger, who has been ALLEGED to have existed 2,000 years ago and ALLEGED to have an Uncle named Pliny The Elder who did all sorts ‘o ALLEDGING about ‘History’ himself and was ALLEGED to have died in 79 AD in Pompeii when Vesuvius ALLEGEDLY erupted and he ALLEGEDLY stayed behind instead of fleeing as his ALLEGED Nephew was ALLEGED to have done, work was still ALLEGEDLY extant, with those ALLEGED copies themselves having ALLEGEDLY been lost for centuries before ALLEGEDLY being surreptitiously rediscovered circa Renaissance with all of the other ALLEGED copies of ALLEGED to have existed, but no longer do, originals.

That’s a whole helluva lot ‘o allegeds & allegedlies in one sentence, ain’t it, lol? And that is what 'ancient' History is based upon, supported by nothing but circular argumentation ...

And that is all just scratching the surface and long enough for one post. But, if Red gets lucky and I keep typing, well, I needed to get a little of that out there. And now I need to decide if I can go straight back to the Grand Canyon and the Tut pictures or I need another long post inbetween for more base info first. If I keep typing tomorrow. Perhaps a nice bowl of a nice Virginia/Burley blend baccy with a multiplicity of casings and toppings delicately applied with a sublime melding of the English Licorice and Venezuelan Cocoa Powder in the right proportions into the woody, versus citrusy, Virginia and the earthen notes from the Burley in support in the crisp Colorado night air will help me figure that out. 'Cause I just know all ya'll care about that, lol ...
 
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This is very interesting, I have a few questions, but I will ask them later, because I don't want to disrupt the flow.

Just one comment/observation about coincidence/borrowing stories I have personally noticed: one was in the story of Perseus, and his "conception" via a "ray of light" from Zeus directed at Danae (Perseus's mother), and the story of the "immaculate conception" of JC (as in God and Mary).

Please carry on and we can discuss the smaller points later.

Thank you.
 

Cat Jockey

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Just one comment/observation about coincidence/borrowing stories I have personally noticed: one was in the story of Perseus, and his "conception" via a "ray of light" from Zeus directed at Danae (Perseus's mother), and the story of the "immaculate conception" of JC (as in God and Mary).
Disagree with it all in the end, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to try to flesh out a large, complicated, encompassing subject/theory for a few posts before telling me I'm stupid, crazy, wrong, etc. Lol.

Well, I can touch on that a bit, as I mentioned mythologies and am using phrases like the Universal Church of Ra-Amen (the Roman Church). If you are familiar with comparative mythologies, the concept of all of the similarities between multiple mythologies, well, that concept held by many of the people I specifically identified is sound, what is incorrect is the order of flow. The big 'hey we figured it out, that Christianity is a bunch of BS' crowd, including the Zeitgeist/Jordan Maxwell/Theosophists folks have things backwards - the Jesus character is NOT an amalgamation of these other 'ancient' mythologies - they are the separate cultural reflections of him. And in both the New Testament version and the 'older' mythos (Mithras, Zoroaster, Buddah, et al.) the story of events surrounding all of that is highly manipulated, including erasing the female that was involved in that.

Like with that stuff, the Greek and Roman Mythologies are focused on that event. But not only that, but the events of the family after the execution (that actually was unsuccessful) in 1185 AD of Andronicus. Suppose a popular political figure is executed. Someone like, say, Julius Cæsar, or Andronicus Komnenos, or Jesus Christ (King of the Jews and allegedly of the Biblical Royal House of David (more on who David is, and how that pertains to today, later, maybe)), who is actually the same person. Then suppose the executors look around and say, "O Shite. Oops. People are pretty pissed at us, and well, we may not survive the pitchforks and torches tonight. Hmm. I know, lets deify him, turn this all around on the Profane, and keep ourselves alive and in control and them subdued." Now, Mr. Recently Deified is also now Mr. Recently Departed (at least from the eastern hemisphere). But, his aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings, etc., start saying, "Well, he may be dead, but I ain't. And if he is a God and I am a blood relative of him, well, lookey there, my ass is a God, too."

And so are born the Greek and Roman Family of Gods and mythologies. How many generations of d-bags in charge (starting with who you would understand as Augustus, nephew of Cæsar, adopted son of Cæsar - ya know the Son of God ...) calling themselves Gods before the REAL debauchery begins?

I'm sure I'll chat more about all that, but that kind of gives you an idea about how all of the mythologies fit into both Fomenko's and my theories - how they are 'explained', essentially. And, to iterate, I do not believe in Immaculate Conceptions, Virgin Births, Man-God Status, etc. Further, when it comes to the coverup regarding the events told in the tales of Cæsar, Jesus, Andronicus, et al. (there are many reflections of this story), I prefer to view it all through the lens of the Armana Hersey, though it too is highly, highly manipulated. At least it includes the Most Awesome Lady of that whole story. She has been erased from pretty much every other reflection, including the not-so-ancient Buddhism (boy, I could talk about things concerning the Buddhists view of the Spirit Realms, how people voluntarily become possessed by Spirits so the Dali Lama (yea, that Dali Lama) can communicate with the Spirit, etc. that would make Western Buddhists a little uneasy, lol). Here is one little bit of evidence of her presence in that Cultural/Political/Spiritual Revolution that, ultimately, failed that time around. Well, it is no longer there, as the Taliban blew it up. The Buddhas of Bamiyan, in Afghanistan, well before the Taliban blew them up:

Buddhas of Bamiyan - Wikipedia

There were two prominent ones: The enormous statues, the male Salsal ("light shines through the universe") and the (smaller) female Shamama ("Queen Mother"), as they were called by the locals ...

The Empire was global in reach. I'll hold off on Caucasian Samurai (nothign more than a Military Caste of an Empire who's capital was far to the west), Genghis Khan the NOT-Mongolian, Napoleon going after another remaining branch of that global military caste in Egypt, the Mamluks, the Turkish Janissaries, etc., for a moment.

'Light' is all over the place with this stuff. Bring your sunglasses. I'll get back to those pictures before I go to sleep tonight (well, probably, lol), but not before you go to sleep tonight, Harry, lol ...
 
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before telling me I'm stupid, crazy, wrong, etc. Lol.
I would like to hear it, if I thought you were "crazy" I wouldn't interact with you here, I am not saying I agree with what you have written, but it is definitely interesting.
 

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I did say probably, lol. And right now, well, I'm getting ready to go wander around the woods at 9,000', on the side of a mountain that has one of those more-than-meets-the-eye treasure tales attached to it. A happy coincidence, as its primary use for me for a couple decades is my off leash dog walking trail. I need to talk about the megalithic structures, as well. Let me leave you, for now (pretty sure I have at least one post in me after my walk this evening) with a story about a Dog. This Dog goes by many names, and he has a Job to do; namely, helping one's Soul across a body of water. In Egyptian Mythology, it is Annubis:

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In Christianity, with Iconography in the Eastern Traditions that survived teh Romanov purge, it is St. Christopher who does that job. IN Eastern Iconography, little creepy adult looking baby people are representaions of that person's soul (I've posted these pics here before, IIRC):

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In Aztec traditions, it is associated with Xolotl:

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So, here we have three supposed separate civilizations, with supposedly different religions, separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles, and they all chose the Dog to do the exact same task regarding one's Soul. The concept of Diffusionism is correct - what is incorrect about it as portrayed by the GooRoos is the time frames and players responsible.

Oh yea - Chewbacca, helping Han SOUL-o across the Underworld of Outer Space. Why Lucas decided to base all of that Star Wars stuff of of Egyptian Mythology, well, you'd have to ask him, 'cause he most definitely did. My first guess is that he is Brother George, the Mason:

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Time to head to the trail before I lose too much light ...
 
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marduk

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That bust is an Art Noveau fake. It is a plant. It is disinfo:

Is this Nefertiti – or a 100-year-old fake?

It was the Jesuit Siquart who 'found' the Amrna Boundry Stella. Between that, the bust, and the Amrna Letters surreptitiously found there, well, that's all the Jesuits need to do to fix it as fact. Well the Masonic Illuminati Fellas tied up the loose ends (people like Napoleon ...) The Amarna Hersy and Ahkenaten & Nefertiti are quite important in all of this but, of course, the Jesuits have the issue all confused and muddled, including displacing it all in location and time. That Jesuit didn't 'find' the Boundry Stella at Tel El Amarna - he chiseled it into the sandstone ...
Um, no.
Dietrich Wildung dismissed the claims as a publicity stunt, as radiological tests, detailed computer tomography, and material analysis have proved its authenticity.[16] The pigments used on the bust have been matched to those used by ancient Egyptian artisans. The 2006 CT scan that discovered the "hidden face" of Nefertiti proved without doubt – according to Science News – that the bust was genuine.[22]

Egyptian authorities also dismissed Stierlin's theory. Dr Zahi Hawass said "Stierlin is not a historian. He is delirious." Although Stierlin had argued "Egyptians cut shoulders horizontally" and Nefertiti had vertical shoulders, Hawass said that the new style seen in the Nefertiti bust is part of the changes introduced by Akhenaten, the husband of Nefertiti. Hawass also claimed that the sculptor Thutmose had created the eye, but it was later destroyed.[33]
Nefertiti Bust - Wikipedia

I've seen the bust, btw.

She was a total babe.
 

marduk

quelling chaos since 2352BC
When did Vesuvius erupt? Probably not much more than about 600-700 years ago. Prove me wrong. You can’t, nor can any geologist.
What are you smoking, man?

Here's one of the perfect examples of history and science backing each other up. Both Pliny the elder and younger wrote about it, dated it, and that date was confirmed by science. Using multiple techniques. And the carbon 14 dating is remarkably accurate.

According to the Roman historian Pliny the Younger, Vesuvius erupted in the early afternoon of Aug. 24, 1,918 years ago, destroying Pompeii, Herculaneum and other Roman cities.

The certainty of the date tempted the team to test the ability of the argon-argon dating technique to establish the age of recent historic events. If it gave an accurate age for the pumice thrown out by the volcano, it would be by a wide margin the youngest rock ever dated by the technique.

The most common method for obtaining the age of objects as young as this is carbon-14 dating, a technique limited to organic material such as wood or bone.

To everyone's surprise the date given by the argon-argon dating technique was 1,925 years ago -- off by only seven years. The scientific error on the estimate was plus or minus 94 years.

"We nailed the date to five percent on our first attempt, so we could probably get the error down to one percent or less," Renne says.

The result is so amazing because every dating technique invokes assumptions or involves uncertainties that limit its ability to pinpoint dates with extreme precision. With carbon-14, for example, the changing ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 in the atmosphere over time puts a limitation on how precise a date can be established.

Scientists at the Berkeley Geochronology Center have improved the argon-argon technique so as to identify and correct for many of these uncertainties, thereby obtaining improved estimates.
08.28.97 - Precise dating of the destruction of Pompeii proves argon-argon method can reliably date rocks as young as 2,000 years
 

marduk

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I did say probably, lol. And right now, well, I'm getting ready to go wander around the woods at 9,000', on the side of a mountain that has one of those more-than-meets-the-eye treasure tales attached to it. A happy coincidence, as its primary use for me for a couple decades is my off leash dog walking trail. I need to talk about the megalithic structures, as well. Let me leave you, for now (pretty sure I have at least one post in me after my walk this evening) with a story about a Dog. This Dog goes by many names, and he has a Job to do; namely, helping one's Soul across a body of water. In Egyptian Mythology, it is Annubis:

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In Christianity, with Iconography in the Eastern Traditions that survived teh Romanov purge, it is St. Christopher who does that job. IN Eastern Iconography, little creepy adult looking baby people are representaions of that person's soul (I've posted these pics here before, IIRC):

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In Aztec traditions, it is associated with Xolotl:

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So, here we have three supposed separate civilizations, with supposedly different religions, separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles, and they all chose the Dog to do the exact same task regarding one's Soul. The concept of Diffusionism is correct - what is incorrect about it as portrayed by the GooRoos is the time frames and players responsible.
And that's pretty much their only commonality:
Anubis (/əˈnuːbᵻs/ or /əˈnjuːbᵻs/;[2] Ancient Greek: Ἄνουβις) is the Greek name of a god associated with mummificationand the afterlife in ancient Egyptian religion, usually depicted as a canine or a man with a canine head. Archeologists identified the sacred animal of Anubis as an Egyptian canid, that at the time was called the golden jackal, but recent genetic testing has caused the Egyptian animals to be reclassified as the African golden wolf.[3][4][5][6]

Like many ancient Egyptian deities, Anubis assumed different roles in various contexts. Depicted as a protector of graves as early as the First Dynasty (c. 3100 – c. 2890 BC), Anubis was also an embalmer. By the Middle Kingdom (c. 2055 – 1650 BC) he was replaced by Osiris in his role as lord of the underworld. One of his prominent roles was as a god who ushered souls into the afterlife. He attended the weighing scale during the "Weighing of the Heart," in which it was determined whether a soul would be allowed to enter the realm of the dead.[7] Despite being one of the most ancient and "one of the most frequently depicted and mentioned gods" in the Egyptian pantheon, Anubis played almost no role in Egyptian myths.[8]

Anubis was depicted in black, a color that symbolized both rebirth and the discoloration of the corpse after embalming. Anubis is associated with Wepwawet (also called Upuaut), another Egyptian god portrayed with a dog's head or in canine form, but with grey or white fur. Historians assume that the two figures were eventually combined.[9] Anubis' female counterpart is Anput. His daughter is the serpent goddess Kebechet.
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In Aztec mythology, Xolotl ([ˈʃolot͡ɬ]) was the god with associations to both lightning and death. He was associated with the sunset and would guard the Sun as it traveled through the underworld every night. Dogs were associated with Xolotl. This deity and a dog were believed to lead the soul on its journey to the underworld.[1] He was commonly depicted as a monstrous dog. Xolotl was the god of fire and lightning.[2] He was also god of twins, monsters, misfortune, sickness, and deformities. Xolotl is the canine brother and twin of Quetzalcoatl,[3] the pair being sons of the virgin Coatlicue. He is the dark personification of Venus, the evening star, and was associated with heavenly fire.
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