• SUPPORT THE SHOW AND ENJOY A PREMIUM PARACAST EXPERIENCE! Welcome to The Paracast+, five years young! For a low subscription fee, you will be able to download the ad-free version of The Paracast and the exclusive After The Paracast podcast, featuring color commentary, exclusive interviews, the continuation of interviews that began on the main episode of The Paracast. We also offer lifetime memberships! FLASH! For a limited time, you can save up to 40% on your subscription. You can sign up right here!

    Subscribe to The Paracast Newsletter!

Alien contacts / critical point of view

The Starman

Paranormal Maven
At the press, at least earlier, it was quite often spoken about human contacts with extraterrestrial beings. Some people interested in contacts with aliens are unconditionally confident in any information provided on this topic, another part is skeptical about this information. So, let's look at this ufologic phenomenon, from skepticism and critical thinking.

Investigators, anthropologists, sociologists and religious scholars, including Michail Gerstein, chair of the Ufology Commission at the Russian Geographic Society, are investigating this phenomenon. Unfortunately, research shows that most contact users appear to be shouts.

M. Gerstein described the results of his work in the book "Another side of the UFOs", which was skeptical about this ufologic phenomenon. Studies in Russia showed that out of a hundred and six people who said they had contacted the aliens and therefore turned to the Moscow medical center, only four were recognized as healthy. The rest were affected by mental disorders: forty-seven, schizophrenia, forty-psychopathy, seven suffering from intellectual failure, eight were diagnosed with brain pathology, and two were mild-type manic depressive psychosis.


Billy Meier's relationship with his wife, Kalliope, ended up pretty sharp and violent. In 1997, therefore, Kalliope officially stated in an interview that the Meier's UFO photographs contained patterns that he created from metal bins, crochet hooks and other household items. He also said that the stories Majer had told about his adventures with the arrivals of other constellations was a complete rumor. She confirmed when the journalist asked that the really famous photo of the UFO of the wedding cake was made of a metal bin cover. She also explained that in one of the pictures woman was a friend not an alien , she was wearing glossy foil.

Yekaterinburg's ufologists have invited two independent psychiatric experts who have investigated local contact persons and received similar results: of the thirty previous studies, only two were considered mentally healthy. Seventeen suffered from various forms of schizophrenia, and eleven had other forms of mental disorders.

First of all, you need to define who is the contactee. Contactee is the person who is in contact with an extraterrestrial form of life. Contact may be verbal, physical or "telepathically", resulting in some kind of information. Information can also be transmitted through words or thoughts, but often it is transmitted by writing texts that are dictated by extraneous forms of life in telepathic contact. Information may also be transmitted to drawings or images that are eternized by the contact person.

Of course, it's often difficult to check the authenticity of the information provided by the contactee. The ufologists look at the contact information inflexibly if it is present during any astral contact, e.g. transmitting information at a distance, during automatic writing, in visions or in similar ways. Research shows that such contacts are usually unstable mental people who convey their fantasy as the only truth.

Such people usually react very emotionally when trying to criticize their information. They complain about the authenticity of their information and do not doubt its authenticity. Any suggestion to check the health of a psychiatrist is a ferocious offense. Unfortunately, the authenticity of such information can not be verified. Of course, such contacts provide "evidence" that they have been in contact with aliens from planets, claiming that their bodies have implants inserted.

However, by suggesting to research, whether these are in fact implants, such contactees usually refuse to do so because they already know, that implants exist. Typically, such implants, if they can be checked, have a fat accumulation under the skin and nothing more. But then, people find logically based explanations. The consciousness of such contactees always finds logical explanations for all the criticisms that are expressed about them. But here, the philosopher Gilbert Keith Chesterton is suddenly shouting that "nothing is as logical as a madman".

Ufology tries to be skeptical about information that can not be verified. For example, if a person claims that the information has been transmitted by extraterrestrial from the "Kraka"t planet in the "Gurdum stars" system. We do not have such names in our astronomical catalogs, so information can be fictitious in the face of any mental illness or elemental desire to get acquainted. It has been noted that when the information relates to some specific, verifiable things, contacts often provide a lot of misinformation.

Betty Hill star map, is the perfect example how abductees "evidence" can be made to look coherent .

The ufologists are also skeptical about the demonstration of the messianic complex witnesses. Let's suppose a person has a "contact" with other planet representatives, the galactic council, or a spiritually more advanced civilization, and is affiliated with the aliens' minds , becomes messiah. That person constantly publishes anything about their contacts. Such individuals claim that they were abducted by aliens, trained them in a variety of things related to their technology or spirituality, and person now must release messages about alien training to Earth. They are the most knowledgeable about the UFOs because they have spent a long time with them and know them as peeled. Of course, followers of such people always occur, and sometimes even suicidal communities are born. For example, the apocalyptic sect Heaven Gates, who believed that the aliens would take them from the Earth and, following the teachings of the founder, committed suicide by drinking the deadly dose of sleep pills.

The most prominent sect of this kind is the raelians, whose founder, the alien named Yahweh, explained the Bible. From that time raelians await the appearance of the aliens on Earth, because they are our creators who will come back. To this end, the raelian people are trying to establish an alien embassy on Earth in any one country, however, yet all the countries have rejected such requests. The Raelian community usually dropping ( left and right ) their booklets which explains Rael's teaching. Not so much difference from the Steven M. Greer and his co produced "Disclosure Project" ir we take UFO as a religious subject based oon pseudo-science to look more convincing/persuasive.

Inheritance of the spiritual alien heritage is also questioned. Because a more "well-read" person will immediately notice, that such spiritual training of aliens usually consists of a cocktail of various earthly religions. Typically, the vast majority is a mix of oriental or esoteric pseudo-Jewish teaching mixed with Christian teaching. The question is why almighty spiritual education is so earthly? These are the same people in the Bible who interpreted the Bible in their own way. What's most interesting is that, according to this teaching, aliens are using ground-breaking technologies such as lasers and nuclear weapons. Even more interesting is the fact that the historical critical method is completely neglected and biblical quotes that are excluded from the general context are given non-reality concepts. And it is astonishing that, at least in a couple of places, there is a great deal of ambition for the aliens to criticize the Vatican.

Also, ufologists do not trust the testimony of such people who are too interested in ufology. It is believed that such individuals can follow false memories in books.

Ufologists are concerned about the reliability of information. So if the information can not be verified, it becomes worthless.

It is interesting to observe what kind of information the aliens provide to the contactees. This is usually the information that the discussion is popular in that era. During the Cold War, the contactees spoke continually about the threat of nuclear war. Later on destroyed forests. At present, often the aliens often talk about the threat of global warming and the Third World War.


This time small story about peole in 2018, who still believe in same pleiadians story, which Billy Meier invented 1975. Now pleaiadians talking about conspiracy theories like "New World Order". Here is one small note about messiah contactee telepathic connection with aliens.

(NOTE; This was a good telepathic connection, as RaTesh and the Pleiadians wish to help us Earth Humans face difficult times, so that we may grow Spiritually, thereby raising our consciousness higher in the Light. These messages are sent to increase our awareness and to aid understanding, not create fear, like our New World Order Elite planners do.)

After analyzing the history of ufology, it is very easy to trace what was relevant to people of one or another age. This is where the question arises, why do strangers speak so well known things that are widely discussed in society? Why do aliens give information to contactees and send them on a the mission to publish what the press/science communities/different organizations are already talking about ? Why aliens do not publish in advance what will be discussed later? For example, why has not been talked about global warming 40 years ago, but just talked about now, although it's relevance was already clear? Are not the strangers so much "Homo-Sapiens" and do not notice the tendencies of development of the land ? but at the same time they are millions and millions years in front of us. Ufologists believe that such testimonies may also be false. Because the person speaks so much known things, but presents them as an unknown truth to anyone.

Another interesting aspect of contacts is that when investigating the history of contacts, depending on the historical stage, the deployment of the alien planet from which they arrived is changing. Every year, the alien's native planet is getting away from the Earth. Only after the abduction "boom" started, all the aliens came from Mars or Venus. Then scientists have shown that on these planets there are no mind-blowing forms of life, the alien native planet has been thrown to the edge of the solar system. Suddenly occurred unknown planet on Solar system, unknown to scientists, from which aliens are flying to Earth.

Scientists have explored the Solar system found out about planets in it, and the aliens have been taken to further stars. Recently, the alien's native planet has deviated so much that they already live in other galaxies, some cantactees say that in "Uranus" planet are living big alien society, but we can't see them, because they are in another dimension. Therefore names of unknown stars appear that can not be verified. Although the coordinates are sometimes known and existing.


I guess everyone remebers the time then ufology community went crazy about "NIBIRU" planet. History channel showed "documentaries" called "Ancient aliens". All of them were based on believe. Maya calendar/mythology or Book of Enoch which is just another religion story interpreted by "ufologists" to justify their own UFO believe system. Many religious people do that aswell , they justify their believe system on mythology books e.g. Bible or Quran.

What do these contactees statements say to us? Anthropologists associate this with cinematography. More precisely, the situation of the fantastic cinema alien planets has changed. In the very first science fiction movie "Flight to the Moon", built in 1902 (the director Georges Melies), aliens lived just in the "backyard" . Later, in the post-war years, as the science fiction genre developed, aliens came from Mars or Venus. Gradually, in the science fiction cinema aliens home planet went further and further from Earth. Anthropologists are investigating the phenomenon of ufology, making connections between cinema history and contacees. Results surprises in such similarities.

The most important thing is these contact stories, is to critically evaluate any given info and do research before going head-down into the "rabbit hole". Do not condescend the joy of discovery, which resembles consciousness. Critical thinking is the best helper in this case, and each ufologist should first and foremost apply critical thinking and have a skepticism as a part of it, otherwise someone else's unhealthy fantasy will be accepted as reality.
 
Last edited:

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
... Ufologists are concerned about the reliability of information. So if the information can not be verified, it becomes worthless ...
That was actually a pretty good article. The one point of contention I have with it is the quote above. It's the spin there that it imparts on the field. From my perspective I'd say that it is definitely true that ufologists like me are concerned with the reliability of information. I've also encountered many more who look at the things you've covered in a very similar way. Nobody here believes the Eduard Meier case is legit. But that doesn't mean knowing about it is useless. It's an interesting cultural phenomenon associated with the subject of ufology.

Let me put it this way: From a detached and objective perspective, UFO cults and religions are definitely something to include as part of any course on ufology, but as I've said before, just because there are quacks in medicine doesn't make all medicine quackery. From an academic perspective the points you have raised are genuine and worthy of discussion by ufologists and fair minded skeptics alike. We're not enemies and we don't need to get into statements that imply that ufology is worthless because these topics don't prove the material reality of alien craft. That's not productive. Instead lets consider these to be legitimate facets of the "subject of ufology" document the truth about them, and class them accordingly rather than trying to make it seem like that's all there is to ufology and therefore is all nonsense. Then it becomes part of the solution instead of part of the problem. How does that sound?
 
Last edited:

Irreligious Survivalist

Skilled Investigator
The ufologists look at the contact information inflexibly if it is present during any astral contact, e.g. transmitting information at a distance, during automatic writing, in visions or in similar ways. Research shows that such contacts are usually unstable mental people who convey their fantasy as the only truth.
FREE says you are incorrect.
 

Thomas R Morrison

Paranormal Adept
At the press, at least earlier, it was quite often spoken about human contacts with extraterrestrial beings. Some people interested in contacts with aliens are unconditionally confident in any information provided on this topic, another part is skeptical about this information. So, let's look at this ufologic phenomenon, from skepticism and critical thinking.
As a rule, I tend to agree with your perspective on this - most of the people who claim some kind of direct communication with alien beings have either turned out to be hoaxers or nutters.

But there a few exceptions that genuinely haunt me. It's not that I'm convinced that these rare exceptions actually involve direct alien communication - it's just that I can't rule it out in these cases, and as a dogged rationalist, that troubles me deeply. It should be easy to reject these kinds of claims. But it's not. Let me show you what I mean:

The Case of Daniel Fry

A professional rocket technician working in the early aerospace industry back in the late 1940's, Daniel Fry claimed that he encountered an alien craft in the desert while working at White Sands Missile Proving Ground in New Mexico, and that he communicated with the operator of that craft through some kind of technologically induced audio communication presumably related to the direct stimulation of the auditory nerve by electronic transmission (it may be possible to induce audio sounds in the human head with microwaves, but there may be other methods as well, remaining to be discovered), and that he was given a 30-minute flight aboard the fairly small ufo "cargo ship" that he encountered, traveling to New York City and back to where the encounter began. Crazy, right?

Here's where it gets interesting. Fry wrote an account of his experience called The White Sands Incident, and two other books about physics which make no mention of his encounter; Steps to the Stars and Atoms, Galaxies, and Understanding. These two deceptively simple physics books (published in 1956 and 1960, respectively) suggest that mankind will soon learn how to produce a gravitational field propulsion technology which will take us to other stars at superluminal speeds. This possibility of superluminal "warp field propulsion" didn't appear in the academic literature until 1994, when Miguel Alcubierre published his seminal paper on the subject, and has been hotly debated ever since. Maybe Daniel Fry just got lucky with that one, okay. But in his book Atoms, Galaxies, and Understanding, in the final chapter describing galaxy formation, Daniel Fry explicitly describes an antigravitational force acting between the galaxy clusters. This is a bona fide scientific prediction, and the astronomy community of his time scoffed at it. But then in 1998 this precise effect was discovered, and dubbed "dark energy." Dark energy is universally understood as a gravitational repulsion (aka antigravity) acting at intergalactic distances. So how did he know? And that's not all. In a seemingly innocuous passage about the possibility of creating a repulsive gravitational field in a manner analogous to electromagnetic induction, Fry not only captured the essence of gravitoelectromagnetism (a concept that's now widely understood and accepted as a key feature of general relativity), but his example anticipates that exact finding in the academic literature, by Robert L. Forward, in his 1963 paper "Guidelines to Antigravity," wherein Dr. Forward first presented the notion of a gravitoelectric dipole generator to the physics community. And this concept is accepted as a perfectly valid one, although still beyond our human technological capabilities. So we're left with essentially two clear options: either a self-proclaimed alien contactee just happened to be a seemingly prescient genius on the subject of repulsive gravitation and cosmology - decades ahead of his time, or, these insights (and others) were communicated to him, as he continued to claim throughout the remainder of his life.

We've enjoyed a lively discussion of this case over here in this thread.

The Case of Dan Sherman

Dan Sherman was employed by the US military and he claimed to have been recruited into a highly classified "black project" at the NSA called "Project Preserve Destiny," where he says that he was trained to receive telepathic information from unseen entities of alien origin. His detailed account of this training is fascinating in and of itself, and his testimony has the striking ring of truthfulness about it - I heard him interviewed on the Art Bell show - an audio file of this interview can still be found in The Ultimate Art Bell Collection, which is a torrent file. But that's not why his story haunts me, at least not entirely. The most striking feature of Dan Sherman's story is the subsequent confirmation of his precise description of the US military classification apparatus known as "the onion effect" which only surfaced in the public record when Edward Snowden leaked reams of classified intelligence documents to the public 15 years after Dan Sherman went public with his story. Precisely as Mr. Sherman had described, we now know that increasingly classified programs are nested within less classified programs in exactly the manner that he described - like the layers of an onion. How could he possibly have known this, if he hadn't actually been briefed into a highly classified black program? And since it's evident that he was, it seems likely that he was telling the truth about the nature of that program as well. And his retelling of the communication that he had with his unseen alien contacts is absolutely riveting to hear.

The Case of Aura Rhanes

Back in the 1950's a simple guy named Truman Bethurum claimed that he met a gorgeous female captain of an alien spacecraft named Aura Rhanes, and he fell madly in love with her. As I've heard it, he even wrote her a book of poems, and his fixation apparently contributed to his 1955 divorce from his second wife. But the most compelling anecdote about this story didn't come from Truman Bethurum. As we got to hear from Ray Stanford in his most recent interview on The Paracast (April 22, 2017), Ray told us a personal anecdote (at the 101-minute mark of the commercial-free Paracast+ audio file) about a jeweler in Truman Bethurum's area who was completely unaware of the Truman Bethurum story, and had been personally commissioned by Aura Rhanes to make the gold pendant that she gave to Truman Bethurum. And through sheer chance (he didn't believe in aliens or ufo's at all) this jeweler met Mr. Bethurum years later, and saw the pendant that he was wearing which Aura had given to him, and it was the same one that she'd commissioned from him many years earlier.

And I've encountered other stories that give me pause as well - told by very rational-seeming, sober-minded people. Our friend and former moderator at The Paracast forums, mike, recently told us about his chilling encounter with a tall grey alien, when he was a child. And it sure sounded true to me.

I can't say that any one of these stories constitutes proof of alien contact with human beings, but I can't disprove them either, and man...that really twists my melon.
 
Last edited:

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
Ken Ono speaks about the source of Srinivasa Ramnujan's mathematical genius at the beginning of this 4 min youtube vid.
Not sure why you posted that video here, but glad you did. I'm going to check out that movie. I totally suck at math. It's probably because I have to understand why things are the way they are rather than just following the rules. So unless I can get that, formulas and algorithms just look like hieroglyphics to me. That's how bad I am at it. I'm now pushing 60 and I only just realized what multiplication is. Chances are that you're thinking that if that's true, then I must be mentally challenged. But before jumping to that conclusion, maybe try answering that question for yourself. Here's an example:

We can think of something simple like 3 x 3 as being equal to 3 + 3 + 3 right? Okay, then why does -3 plus -3 plus -3 equal -9 but -3 x -3 = 9 ? We just take it for granted that when we multiply two negative numbers, the product is a positive number, because that's the rule. But why is it that way ... hmm? It suddenly throws the whole question of what multiplication is into the land of Oz. Sorry if this distracts you. It took me an hour or so to figure it out, and most of that time was doing searches for an explanation, none of which were of any help. But like I said, I suck at math.
 
Last edited:

Thomas R Morrison

Paranormal Adept
Not sure why you posted that video here, but glad you did. I'm going to check out that movie. I totally suck at math. It's probably because I have to understand why things are the way they are rather than just following the rules. So unless I can get that, formulas and algorithms just look like hieroglyphics to me. That's how bad I am at it. I'm now pushing 60 and I only just realized what multiplication is. Chances are that you're thinking that if that's true, then I must be mentally challenged. But before jumping to that conclusion, maybe try answering that question for yourself. Here's an example:

We can think of something simple like 3 x 3 as being equal to 3 + 3 + 3 right? Okay, then why does -3 plus -3 plus -3 equal -9 but -3 x -3 = 9 ? We just take it for granted that when we multiply two negative numbers, the product is a positive number, because that's the rule. But why is it that way ... hmm? It suddenly throws the whole question of what multiplication is into the land of Oz. Sorry if this distracts you. It took me an hour or so to figure it out, and most of that time was doing searches for an explanation, none of which were of any help. But like I said, I suck at math.
It actually does make sense, but it's understandably confusing. There's a linguistic analog in the form of "the double negative" variety of statement, which of course yields a positive (such as, "I don't want to not go" = "I want to go"). But I actually like a physics analogy even more: the product interaction of two positive charges equals a positive energy (repulsion), just as the product interaction of two negative charges equals a positive energy (repulsion), whereas the product interaction of unlike charges always yields a negative energy (attraction). But there are some other good ways to see how it works here:
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/EMAT6680/Brown/6690/negneg.htm

It's not just some arbitrary rule that mathematicians follow like obedient sheep; it's a natural albeit counterintuitive result of the underlying symmetry of mathematics and logic.

FREE seriously disagrees.
FREE is certainly free to do that ;

One white crow?
Perhaps several. But I think it would be crazy to say "the majority of people who claim to have communication with alien beings are sane and honest people telling the truth." If you think that, then you haven't lived in Los Angeles.

But it seems quite possible that at least a few people have had some kind of communication or interaction with alien beings. I mean - it's pretty clear that alien devices are operating in our airspace from time to time, so it's not irrational to consider that once in awhile they make contact with a human being. I just hope that if it happens to me, I run into Aura Rhanes instead of some bulbous-headed grey creep with serious boundary issues.
 

Irreligious Survivalist

Skilled Investigator
Perhaps several. But I think it would be crazy to say "the majority of people who claim to have communication with alien beings are sane and honest people telling the truth." If you think that, then you haven't lived in Los Angeles.
I wasn't aware that the conversation about alien contact was limited to LA (although I lived in Indio for several years and worked in LA). I enjoy the company of dozens of experiencers none of which would be considered "crazy" (mentally deficient) in the least.

If anything, FREE has debunked the "they are crazy (mentally deficient)" paradigm aka with the majority of people who claim to have communication with alien beings are sane and honest people telling the truth.
 

Thomas R Morrison

Paranormal Adept
I wasn't aware that the conversation about alien contact was limited to LA (although I lived in Indio for several years and worked in LA). I enjoy the company of dozens of experiencers none of which would be considered "crazy" (mentally deficient) in the least.

If anything, FREE has debunked the "they are crazy (mentally deficient)" paradigm aka with the majority of people who claim to have communication with alien beings are sane and honest people telling the truth.
Well, I think we're drawing a fine and somewhat murky line here between "experiencers" and "alien contactees." The thrust of this opening post seems to be restricted to the latter variety: people who claim to have nice and civil discussions with English-speaking human-looking aliens that serve them tea and take them to parties on the Moon - stuff like that. And I presume that the army of "channelers" who profess to get dating advice and messages of love and peace from the alien space brothers, fall into the same category (I think about half the people I knew in L.A. either claimed to have that kind of personal relationship with brotherly aliens, or knew someone who did).

Experiencers/abductees seem to have far less congenial types of experiences, more akin to that of lab rats. I don't lump those people into the same basket. Honestly I don't know what to make of that class of reports, but people like John Mack and Bud Hopkins seemed legit, and they apparently knew hundreds if not thousands of credible people who came to them with reports like that. So it does seem that something real is happening to those folks. I just have no idea if it's physical, or neurological, or something else entirely.
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
It actually does make sense, but it's understandably confusing. There's a linguistic analog in the form of "the double negative" variety of statement, which of course yields a positive (such as, "I don't want to not go" = "I want to go").
That's part of it. Using that approach gets you into the negative numbers. From there it's working out how that applies to multiplying them, and that's what reveals the why part, and why they used to call multiplication tables "times tables". But geeze, I'd never really thought about it before. I wonder how many other people go through life and just follow the rules without ever getting why they do?
 
Last edited:

Ron Away

Paranormal Adept
Ken Ono speaks about the source of Srinivasa Ramnujan's mathematical genius at the beginning of this 4 min youtube vid.

I


Thanks for posting,never heard of Ramanujan,done a bit of reading and I realise why I struggled so much to pass my Maths O Level.It is a genuine mystery to me how people with basically the same brain as me can be so off the charts smart.How tragic he died so young who knows what amazing things he could of discovered had he lived a longer life.
 

Thomas R Morrison

Paranormal Adept
OK millions disagree.
Sure fine, but that doesn't explain why this link in your signature:

http: //tinyurl.com/ydhrjwlm

redirects to "The Walter Bosley thread" over at Project Avalon:

http: //projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101536-The-Walter-Bosley-thread

What's up with that? I've read both pages of that thread and I can see no reason whatsoever to link to it in your signature. Are you Walter Bosley, incognito-like? And if not, why did you post that link? And beyond that - why would you mask the destination URL with a tinyurl relay link??

What the heck is going on here? Who are you, man?

And you're using Mysterious Universe writer Brett Tingley's facebook profile photo - is that you? And why does your Paracast profile say "Pipe Smokin' Skullduggery?"

skul·dug·ger·y
ˌskəlˈdəɡ(ə)rē


noun: skullduggery
underhanded or unscrupulous behavior; trickery.
"a firm that investigates commercial skulduggery"
synonyms: trickery, fraudulence, underhandedness, chicanery; More


I don't mean to be rude, but buddy - everything about you is fishier than an Alaskan trawler on a warm July afternoon...

 
Last edited:

William Strathmann

Paranormal Adept

The Starman

Paranormal Maven
Wow, you already do have a big dicsussion, now i have to catch and meet you all. :)

That was actually a pretty good article. The one point of contention I have with it is the quote above. It's the spin there that it imparts on the field. From my perspective I'd say that it is definitely true that ufologists like me are concerned with the reliability of information. I've also encountered many more who look at the things you've covered in a very similar way. Nobody here believes the Eduard Meier case is legit. But that doesn't mean knowing about it is useless. It's an interesting cultural phenomenon associated with the subject of ufology.

Let me put it this way: From a detached and objective perspective, UFO cults and religions are definitely something to include as part of any course on ufology, but as I've said before, just because there are quacks in medicine doesn't make all medicine quackery. From an academic perspective the points you have raised are genuine and worthy of discussion by ufologists and fair minded skeptics alike. We're not enemies and we don't need to get into statements that imply that ufology is worthless because these topics don't prove the material reality of alien craft. That's not productive. Instead lets consider these to be legitimate facets of the "subject of ufology" document the truth about them, and class them accordingly rather than trying to make it seem like that's all there is to ufology and therefore is all nonsense. Then it becomes part of the solution instead of part of the problem. How does that sound?
Thank you for evaluation, it took me a while to write this one, many hours...constructive critique is a complex thing.

I think you made a fair point in the end, and i certainly agree with you in on this one. Really good observation. I would like to see more ufologist's in clear mind like you, more often.

As a rule, I tend to agree with your perspective on this - most of the people who claim some kind of direct communication with alien beings have either turned out to be hoaxers or nutters.

But there a few exceptions that genuinely haunt me. It's not that I'm convinced that these rare exceptions actually involve direct alien communication - it's just that I can't rule it out in these cases, and as a dogged rationalist, that troubles me deeply. It should be easy to reject these kinds of claims. But it's not. Let me show you what I mean:
Hello,

I will take an eye on theese stories, maybe today in the evening ( i hope so...today my country celebraing 100 years on reconstruction of the independence act, i'll spend time on city events, so more possible, that gonna check it on weekend, anyway, i will reply). Thank you for info, never heard none of them before. Suggesting, just by reading the names/surnames.

Ken Ono speaks about the source of Srinivasa Ramnujan's mathematical genius at the beginning of this 4 min youtube vid.
Hi, ;)

Could you explain how this video deals with the UFO phenomenon and how it fits into this discussion?
 
Last edited:


Top