Ryan Skinner - Skinwalker Ranch

[SRL+]

That's not the way Chris tells the story in a Paracast I have. IIRC. He indicated the Yellow Helicopter appeared the next day or so soon after his visit to that ranch.

I don't know WHY he would be hooked, lined, and sinkered 13 years AFTER the fact??? Lol.

(He was hooked 13 years before he started the book. I think we can agree on that point.)

The Sutherlands on June 5th 1980 spotted the helicopter, not Chris. Chris spotted the exact same style of helicopter 13 years later in January of 1993, while reviewing the Sutherlands interview notes.

What don’t you understand about this? Are you confused again? Maybe you should go night, night, and dream of yellow whirlybirds.

 

[DissectionStalker]

The Yellow Helicopter is meant for Chris not you. Try to stop pecking and offer some serious content. More than a sentence or paragraph please!!!

Ryan wrote elsewhere:

I'm on a solo survivalist adventure in the Florida keys, just returning from living on a deserted island for a week. I'm typing on a cell and 4,000 miles from my office but Vallee's assessment is spot on. Absolutely ruthless inhuman and surprisingly there may be a aspect of humor related to this. If you listened to my wolf story I left a part out because it was too silly. After the wolf dematerialized a porcupine approached us and was holding something in its paw. Confused and still is shock I asked my fellow researcher what the hell is it? He said it's a porcupine and I think it's smoking a cigarette. Never went from sheer terror to literally laughing out loud , strange transition given the bizarre circumstance

Very funny Ryan!!! The Trickster (Intelligence) Spooks sure have a sense of humor!
Gabe Valdez is laughing with me too!

However, here's a serious question about this funny experience you had... first, here's the issue, posted elsewhere:

2: So many times I have heard of buzzing noises just prior to weird events and I can tell you from first hand experience that the most powerful of hallucinogens have the same buzzing noises announcing the arrival of the other-worldly experiences. Ibogaine for sure has that and so does DMT. And we are not talking the hallucinations that people routinely and incorrectly attribute to LSD. LSD just does not really cause the full-on technicolor I-am-living-the-Lord-of-the-Rings experience in which you are totally removed from our perception of day to day life.
So is the buzzing a coincidence or is it a symptom of the brain transiting from normal input to a vastly different experiential input?

Come clean Ryan! Have you ever taken any of these substances?

Listen to your Dad Ryan:

[...]The entities domain appears more attuned towards residing and manipulating human consciousness than towards the nuts and bolts 3 dimensional physical machines we assume ET flies around within. My father, forever the skeptic, used to laughingly tell my family the only aliens that exist are not in outer space, [but] are there between your own two ears Ryan[!] Everyone would laugh, and I remember being frustrated, however unknown to any of us, years later I've determined his remark was exactly correct.

Do you still agree? It's exactly correct? Please explain.

 

[SRL+]

The Yellow Helicopter is meant for Chris not you. Try to stop pecking and offer some serious content. More than a sentence or paragraph please!!!

Ryan wrote elsewhere:

Very funny Ryan!!! The Trickster (Intelligence) Spooks sure have a sense of humor! Gabe Valdez is laughing with me too!

On a more serious note, posted elsewhere:

Your the one who brought it up, remember.., junior? Aren't you forgetting something, like this isn't your show?

 

[Stagger Lee]

"Human black ops"
To what end? What reason to set up a year long "Halloween ranch" in the middle of nowhere?
"Voices beamed into heads/known technology" Really?

 

[Goggs Mackay]

I just finished Ryan's new book. Anyone expecting a re-hash of George Knapp's book will be pleasantly surprised! There is almost zero repetition of info and the book is choc full of stuff regarding high strange events in the basin and elsewhere.
I consider myself well versed in ranch lore but still the majority of the book was new information to me.
Of course a book like this cannot provide proof and those of a skeptical leaning may brush all the tales off as hogwash but I have a feeling a lot of it will be subjectively true at least as experienced by each witness.
A total page-turner for ranch aficionados!

In short, I loved this book, I recommend this book and I rate this book. And it's dirt cheap for gawd's sake. Buy it!

 

[DissectionStalker]

Goggs, does Ryan come-up with anything that can be verified by trusted sources?

You mentioned somewhere (indirectly) that you had a high clearance for top secret information in the UK and/or had seen such top secret intelligence. Do you buy into the story that Chris and Ryan believed about that guy? Chris said he wouldn't have been allowed on the show if he had not checked out. Did you listen to that Paracast?

This guy said they were given a brain scan(s) AND giving urine samples too.

Quoting the whistle blower:

"We were the guinea pigs. They were testing us. They were examining us. We were the test dummies here. Like they have some new military thing out here, and they wanted to see how it effects people."

Also, that same guy said he knew of top level military that also visited the ranch including a General with 3 other military in uniform.

This seems like the best evidence I've seen that gets to the heart of the matter. What do you think?

 

[DissectionStalker]

"Human black ops"
To what end? What reason to set up a year long "Halloween ranch" in the middle of nowhere?
"Voices beamed into heads/known technology" Really?

They're playing God. Using Mythology and Spook and SyFy Tactics to test PSYOPS weapons that may be weaponized with atomized/aerosol hallucinogenics, and/or space, high altitude platform, or ground based 3D imaging and possible energized weapons.

Billions have been spent for decades on Black Ops. Trace this Orb technology definitely to Bennewitz and Dulce and Kirkland Air Force Base, and probably back to WWII foo-fighters.

All other stories just evaporate into nothingness!

The Media Whoring started right from the beginning with Sherman! Apparently, local investigator(s) were there before Chris. Chris gets tipped off by the media. Wild article in the paper -sold to Bigelow instantly! This is a SCAM (cover) and a Black Ops start-up. With media hysteria. Publicity! Money making off story telling... movies, books, legends, tourists, blah, blah... But, it's hidden in "plain view" so to speak. Another Hall of Mirrors.

Otherwise, if you like Skinwalkers, then definitely read Tony Hillerman books. Maybe there's some criminal activity that wanted these people off the ranch? Wasn't this land part of the Indian reservation? Is this leased land?

Indian land is sovereign land and "off the books" for USA Black Ops (no legal obligations). So, just operate off or from these lands too for the Black Ops. This already happened with Black Ops on Indian land in the 1970's at the Dulce area cattle dissections.

High probability, most of the above happened somewhere along the timeline, imo.

 

[mike]

For the record im not piling on here, Youve clearly given the subject some thought and while your conclusions are not the same as others here, they dont need to be either. They may or may not be correct, that doesnt matter either, as i said youve clearly given this some thought and thats a good thing imo

The yellow helicopter.... SRL is quite correct if my memory serves, it was years later after reading about their helicopter that chris saw his one.

Chris found that Synchronicity significant

My personal view, and its just that it in no way invalidates Chris' take on the experience , is that synchronicity has more to do with our human habit of ascribing meaning and significance to things that have none

synchronicity - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
law of truly large numbers - coincidence - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Often we notice things that would not otherwise have caught our attention, simply because some other input has primed us in relation to that item.

Not saying that was the case in Chris' experience i wasnt there.

I just look at synchronicity via that filter myself.

Classic example i recently read about how the prop department at the BBC had some argyle socks made up for a costume, for the next few days i kept noticing argyle socks on people, it seemed like synchronicity, but its more likely i was simply noticing the patterns because i had been primed by the article i had read earlier. Nothing high strange about it imo

 

[Burnt State]

I’m kind of surprised as a an educator you’d say that the subject matter doesn’t count, but then again, I really can’t blame you for being burnt out. Most all threads I will stay away from either because of disinterest, or lack of knowledge...

I thought reading the NIDS' reports was closer to a primary document; whereas, The Hunt seems more like a secondary source in its "Skinwalker" dressing and its persistent UFO angle. If I'm going to invest time in reading patanormal then i'd prefer to read something that is less dressed in stories. A lot of Skinwalker is now a dressed, paranormal meme with a stalled investigation. The Bigelow angle seems to push it all more towards the industrial military complex as a true focus. Since when do all UFO reports suddenly get funneled through Bigelow, who shares little, & who thought this was a good idea?

In listening to this specific Paracast please note how, like the Knapp interview, primary documents were not accessible, or could not be revealed to the public, but the stories of past & present lore abound. And not to be too critical of Ryan, but when asked about engaging documents and proof the response was often, "Well, can I tell you another story?" Are there specific pieces of primary documentation outside of what is commonly discussed, so and so guard said they saw... (BTW Ryan, I still value your time shared here in the forum as few guests will do this and engage the audience.)

For me, like Keel's dressing of The Silver Bridge incident, this ranch is about building a mythology: see the birth of Roswell, Mothman and Area 51. Apparently, anything approaching primary documentation and proof is outside of the public's reach. Like Ryan, all we can do is watch, at varying distances from the outside, and speculate. Occasionally a minor insider will leak more stories, and apparently now it also has the requisite secret documents that only few can see. Is that too critical?

If you feel strongly that The Hunt is a valid primary research piece then, again, I would appreciate you pointing out what you feel are the most convincing features of the text that perhaps has not already been reported multiple times on the air & online. I value your opinion and thorough persistence. The most valuable feature, IMHO, of this forum is the wealth of knowledge shared by posters and the debates that follow. That's why posters like Constance & Sentry et. al., who share detailed, referenced material help me to see things more clearly. So let's have at the meat of the matter.

However, I don't appreciate insults and don't claim language that is hateful or antagonizing to be friendly in any way. Engaging troll behaviour only perpetuates it.

 

[Burnt State]

@DissectionStalker 's points regarding how mythology builds around these touchstones: Dulce, Roswell, Area 51 and now what is officially being called Skinwalker, is a valid meta-analysis of how paranormal culture, specifically Ufology, intersects with the military. Whether or not that is happening here (sure looks like it IMO) requires specific clear proof and not the usual, you're not allowed to see those documents i.e. famous or videotapes that stops a reported opinion or story from becoming a fact or shared knowledge. I wish the tone of that discussion was different and less about smashing into personalities as there's some merit to that position.

Ryan, I hope you're not a false prophet, or that you follow anyone else's footsteps in this journey, as it has a habit of messing with people, as you probably aleady know.

 

[SRL+]

For the record im not piling on here, Youve clearly given the subject some thought and while your conclusions are not the same as others here, they dont need to be either. They may or may not be correct, that doesnt matter either, as i said youve clearly given this some thought and thats a good thing imo

The yellow helicopter.... SRL is quite correct if my memory serves, it was years later after reading about their helicopter that chris saw his one.

Chris found that Synchronicity significant

My personal view, and its just that it in no way invalidates Chris' take on the experience , is that synchronicity has more to do with our human habit of ascribing meaning and significance to things that have none

synchronicity - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
law of truly large numbers - coincidence - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Often we notice things that would not otherwise have caught our attention, simply because some other input has primed us in relation to that item.

Not saying that was the case in Chris' experience i wasnt there.

I just look at synchronicity via that filter myself.

Classic example i recently read about how the prop department at the BBC had some argyle socks made up for a costume, for the next few days i kept noticing argyle socks on people, it seemed like synchronicity, but its more likely i was simply noticing the patterns because i had been primed by the article i had read earlier. Nothing high strange about it imo

I could almost go with that. There are quite a few argyle socks out there. Whenever I purchase a vehicle, I start noticing similar vehicles around me. They seem to pop out from everywhere.

IMHO, the helicopter incident has the unique quality, in as much as there are far less vintage yellow helicopters hovering around than argyle socks in drawers, especially in that region, and under Chris’s circumstances.

I’m guessing it will remain to be another true mystery

 

[SRL+]

I thought reading the NIDS' reports was closer to a primary document; whereas, The Hunt seems more like a secondary source in its "Skinwalker" dressing and its persistent UFO angle. If I'm going to invest time in reading patanormal then i'd prefer to read something that is less dressed in stories. A lot of Skinwalker is now a dressed, paranormal meme with a stalled investigation. The Bigelow angle seems to push it all more towards the industrial military complex as a true focus. Since when do all UFO reports suddenly get funneled through Bigelow, who shares little, & who thought this was a good idea?

In listening to this specific Paracast please note how, like the Knapp interview, primary documents were not accessible, or could not be revealed to the public, but the stories of past & present lore abound. And not to be too critical of Ryan, but when asked about engaging documents and proof the response was often, "Well, can I tell you another story?" Are there specific pieces of primary documentation outside of what is commonly discussed, so and so guard said they saw... (BTW Ryan, I still value your time shared here in the forum as few guests will do this and engage the audience.)

For me, like Keel's dressing of The Silver Bridge incident, this ranch is about building a mythology: see the birth of Roswell, Mothman and Area 51. Apparently, anything approaching primary documentation and proof is outside of the public's reach. Like Ryan, all we can do is watch, at varying distances from the outside, and speculate. Occasionally a minor insider will leak more stories, and apparently now it also has the requisite secret documents that only few can see. Is that too critical?

If you feel strongly that The Hunt is a valid primary research piece then, again, I would appreciate you pointing out what you feel are the most convincing features of the text that perhaps has not already been reported multiple times on the air & online. I value your opinion and thorough persistence. The most valuable feature, IMHO, of this forum is the wealth of knowledge shared by posters and the debates that follow. That's why posters like Constance & Sentry et. al., who share detailed, referenced material help me to see things more clearly. So let's have at the meat of the matter.

However, I don't appreciate insults and don't claim language that is hateful or antagonizing to be friendly in any way. Engaging troll behaviour only perpetuates it.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, I really didn't mean to.

 

[DissectionStalker]

THE YELLOW HELICOPTER

In Chris' interview 3-23-14 with Greg Bishop the yellow helicopter story started at the 1hr 15min 45sec mark. Chris said he went to this ranch, heard about the yellow helicopter & took the skull 13 years after its death, THEN, the next morning [which was] 13 years later [when the cow was dissected "mutilated"] Chris saw the yellow helicopter!

Get it!!! According to Chris in this interview the Yellow Helicopter appears the very next day after he took the skull from this ranch. Yeah! The mutilation took place about 13 years beforehand, but Chris was there just the day before hearing the yellow helicopter story for the first [?] time, he collects the skull... And, the NEXT morning the Yellow Helicopter appears.

Chris went wild about it on the show... "The whole trickster element smacked me upside the head." "I've just been off to the races ever since."

If that had happened to me, then I would have checked the FAA records for this type of helicopter in the area. You can get the owner and location information to track this down. There might be real connections to this happening! Attractions & seemingly impossible encounters do occur for unknown reasons. Bummer, Chris doesn't follow-up? Maybe it's better to imagine the wondrous possibilities, rather than have to run down the truth? Dead ends lead to nowhere? Open ends keep the story spinning... round and round we go... "The whole trickster element smacked me upside the head." "I've just been off to the races ever since."

(Update: Apparently, Chris did do some follow-up to I.D. the helicopter long ago. But Chris did have many years available to search an online database before he published his book, and it might still be located to this day.)

 

[SRL+]

That's nice, I'm so glad I've had a little free time lately.

 

[DL Wallace]

I picked up Ryan's book and read it as I was traveling over the weekend. It was certainly an entertaining read, and with the variety of sources that reinforce one another, it looks like he's had some connections made within the ranch's security apparatus.

That said, some of the guard logs were far too repetitive. The book could have used some editing, especially in the transcription and guard log parts. And if the documents are valid, there is nothing even close to scientific inquiry happening on the guard patrols. It was mostly described as orb photography and meditation.

Some of the other accounts that Skinwalker Ranch visitors sent in were great stories. That said, they're just anecdotal in nature. Still, if you're looking for a good anecdotal collection, the book is a steal at $2.99.

Hello SillyRaabit,

I truly appreciate your feedback. There were many more log excerpts than provided in the book. The reason why we included the ones we did was because, despite their repetitiveness, which I can't deny, each one presents a slightly different perspective, especially when compared to each other, or as a means of understanding the mind set of the different guards. The documents are quite valid--and I don't take your view as to mean they are not. That said, I appreciate your acumen and reading comprehension. The exact point I wanted to come across was that, contrary to what others might believe, the Ranch was, and is not, Bigelow's primary interest. As for the contributions of others presenting as anecdotal, that too was the point--people are interested and entertained by the narratives of others. This point was emphasized in the introduction. The objective of the book is to allow the reader to draw his/her own conclusions, and is not intended to be speculative. As for the transcriptions, which again may, and I agree, be too, shall we say complete, but when you read (and I know you did) each part, you see there are little things that were they to be omitted would rob from the intensity. Thank you for purchasing the book and providing your insight. Hearing from people like you are the only reason for taking the time and effort to write the words. Peace.

 

[DL Wallace]

Ryan-
I just finished reading your new book, an excellent read! Plus, I also enjoyed the Paracast episode(s) you were a guest on. Gene and Chris always do great job!
If you could answer some questions or provide more insight that would be much appreciated.
- One of the chapters, there was mention of an Uncle's Cabin (same vicinity of the Ranch/ Basin) which saw a lot of paranormal action. Did you ever get a chance to follow up or even visit this cabin?
- Lara C. mentioned the possibility of Geochemical, just curious if there is evidence of this? If a geochemical, which possibly produces hallucinations, anxiety, fear etc. Also the strange odor that usually accompanies eyewitnesses report ( not all reports) and the Gorman's real estate clause which stated 'No Digging' on the property, could this be attributed to something geochemical?
- Could there also be a possibility the use of infra-sound on the property? The flash- drones do raise a flag, either conducting security sweeps of the property or adding to the ranch's activity....or both?
- Larry C. ( page 189) Makes a 'Predator' (the movie) reference. I was visiting a 'hotspot' area after collecting a few reports, and I witnessed the same 'Predator' - visual. I was surprised by Larry reference because that was the same reference I used after my sighting 3 years ago.
- Have you had the chance to investigate the 'Portal' area?
- Lara C. also mentions David Paullides '411 Missing'. Excellent books and very thought provoking! I believe a roundtable of Mr. Paullides and yourself would make for an great Paracast episode.

Thanks again for your time-

The two investigators met with Striker, one of the tribal policemen (Did anyone catch that we used the names Striker and Trendle as pseudonyms? They were the two individuals that together gave us the Lone Ranger), who offered to them his uncle's cabin, located in Randlett, to the south of the Ranch. However, there was no further information as to whether or not they actually went. The reason we felt it was worth including was to show the mythology of the UTE goes beyond the location of the Ranch. In fact, there are more than 33 Indian Reservations in the Colorado Plateau. It just happens that the RAnch is almost located in the heart of those reservations. Pretty cool, no?

The Gormans, of course, are the Shermans. From what I understand, if there was a no-digging clause, and I don't know how there could be once the sale was complete, it had to do with potential oil rights more than anything else.

As for flash-drones, and I speak only for myself, there is no mention of them in any of the logs or interviews.

Ryan and I in our conversations have spoken about the portals, but no one to my knowledge has seen one or can identify locations.

 

[SRL+]

Hi DL, and welcome to our fabulous forum!

 

[DL Wallace]

I just finished Ryan's new book. Anyone expecting a re-hash of George Knapp's book will be pleasantly surprised! There is almost zero repetition of info and the book is choc full of stuff regarding high strange events in the basin and elsewhere.
I consider myself well versed in ranch lore but still the majority of the book was new information to me.
Of course a book like this cannot provide proof and those of a skeptical leaning may brush all the tales off as hogwash but I have a feeling a lot of it will be subjectively true at least as experienced by each witness.
A total page-turner for ranch aficionados!

In short, I loved this book, I recommend this book and I rate this book. And it's dirt cheap for gawd's sake. Buy it!

Hello Goggs, I truly appreciate your objective perspective. I stated earlier in the forum that the intent of the book was not to speculate, but to package and present the information that Ryan had at hand to both inform and entertain. We both were concerned about some of the drier aspects of the book, but were confident that the readers would process the material in their own way. Personally, I love the Native Indian lore and the possibility of a lingering presence to the ancestral spirituality, and that means portals of origin and whatever may be on the other side of mortality. The Skinwalker is simply part of that lore and spirituality. That said, if extraterrestrial life (visitors) were to key in on some earthly intensity, think beacon, doesn't it make sense, given the potential of how long it would take to travel here, it would be emanating from our most ancient peoples? Okay, now I'm speculating. But you know my point. Thanks for purchasing the book. What good is writing it unless it's going to be read? To add a word to the overall discussion, I have found no evidence that either the government or Bigelow, who seems like a man with a valid mission and dream, have any nefarious designs relative to the Ranch.

 

[DL Wallace]

Hi DL, and welcome to our fabulous forum!

Thank you. I hope my words can add a little INsight to the book. I would love the opportunity to answer any questions or respond to comments.

 

[DL Wallace]

When Skinner was asked about documents and his access to the Ranch he always deflected the question. My first thought was that someone at the Ranch was giving or selling him the documents and also giving him access onto the property. I was waiting for someone to ask him if that was the case but it never happened.

Hello DaveM,

Did you get a chance to read the book? Your questions are answered fully. If there is something that interests you, please feel free to reach out.