Ryan Skinner - Skinwalker Ranch

[Lionel Mandrake]

Repost for Ryan-
I just finished reading your new book, an excellent read! Plus, I also enjoyed the Paracast episode(s) you were a guest on. Gene and Chris always do great job!
If you could answer some questions or provide more insight that would be much appreciated.
- One of the chapters, there was mention of an Uncle's Cabin (same vicinity of the Ranch/ Basin) which saw a lot of paranormal action. Did you ever get a chance to follow up or even visit this cabin?
- Lara C. mentioned the possibility of Geochemical, just curious if there is evidence of this? If a geochemical, which possibly produces hallucinations, anxiety, fear etc. Also the strange odor that usually accompanies eyewitnesses report ( not all reports) and the Gorman's real estate clause which stated 'No Digging' on the property, could this be attributed to something geochemical?
- Could there also be a possibility the use of infra-sound on the property? The flash- drones do raise a flag, either conducting security sweeps of the property or adding to the ranch's activity....or both?
- Larry C. ( page 189) Makes a 'Predator' (the movie) reference. I was visiting a 'hotspot' area after collecting a few reports, and I witnessed the same 'Predator' - visual. I was surprised by Larry reference because that was the same reference I used after my sighting 3 years ago.
- Have you had the chance to investigate the 'Portal' area?
- Lara C. also mentions David Paullides '411 Missing'. Excellent books and very thought provoking! I believe a roundtable of Mr. Paullides and yourself would make for an great Paracast episode.

Thanks again for your time-

 

[SRL+]

Do you need to read an individual type of book to understand the nature of a familiar narrative genre? The horror smorgasboard that is collected amidst the many possibilities suggested in the book that range fom Lovecraft inspirations to Indigenous mythos to Vallée speculations offer colour to the guesswork. I've heard enough thorough discussion, read excerpts, critiques, looked at images, and heard the holy triumvirate of Alexander, Kelleher and Knapp present their perspectives, yet still i am not convinced of anythng more than a specific and focussed attempt to promote a demonic mythology. It was a great success for Keel in Mothman Prophecies and the Hunt appears to be making he same claim. Why bother dressing it up in the way that Knapp does by setting it up against a demonic, socio-cultural backdrop? If there's a core reality where cables are mysteriously getting ripped out by an invisible force then I'm going to have to go back and reconsider The Texas Chainsaw Massacre's opening 'true story' narration.

While I do believe that something incredibly strange is going on there, I'm doubtful of it being paranormal. What for you are the most convincing elements of this story that prove paranormality? Do you think the Colorado Ranch case from the 70's (?) talked about in The Hunt is indicative of a common strangeness where they say the walls are thin in some places? Should there not be more of these all over the world, and do the walls get thicker at various times, & what about that other haunted forest house that was going up or sale as a legitimate haunted house? Same story, different flavour no?

Does it really deserve its own read after hearing all the many details over and over again? Perhaps it's more convincing with the dressing. I forced myself to read Mothman Prophecies, which was entirely entertaining film noir, but only confirmed the critique of Keel as demonologist, which I don't believe in; hence, my disbelief in Skinwalker as some kind of malevolent, demonic force.

N…, would have worked.

I’m kind of surprised as a an educator you’d say that the subject matter doesn’t count, but then again, I really can’t blame you for being burnt out. Most all threads I will stay away from either because of disinterest, or lack of knowledge. Comparing “Mothman” to “Skinwalker” is like comparing Betty Crocker to Charles Manson, in respect that they are so entirely different in information gathering. As one, I consider a colorful narrative, and the other, serious research conducted of the unexplained. If you haven’t read the original narrative, you have very little of an original reference point. Then again, you should certainly know this as an educator. Why do I need to point this out.., again?

Once again, do I believe everything in either “Hunt for the Skinwalker” or any other offering out there, in relation to the Uintah Basin? No I don’t. Do I believe everything that leaves the lips of researchers including Eric Davis .., again, no I don’t. Am I aware that wormholes do not exist.., yes, I’m aware of this. Could Terry Sherman possibly be involved in perpetrating some type of hoax.., possibly.

However, without having afforded yourself with the opportunity of looking over the original writing on this subject, you are at the same time at the mercy of anyone within earshot, including that of your new found friend.., Mr. Trollman. BTW, you should really get Mr. Trollman some help. Just make sure it’s Betty Ford, and not Crocker. And always remember, just say no to bath salts.

 

[marduk]

I have several neighbors who agreed to allow me to place permanent cameras and other monitoring equipment on their property. Plus you can rent space on the power company's poles and install a electricity fed camera on a pole overlooking the ranch. Just needs funding.

Sounds like a good kick starter potentially?

 

[ryan]

Sounds like a good kick starter potentially?

ohhhh.. that's right. Isnt there a website where you can post a project and people can fund you if they find merit in it?? This is a project I have wanted to try for years now... I would have the feed streamed over the internet. It would be just like being at a vantage spot next to Skinwalker Ranch.... amazing potential actually. I know I'd personally be glued to watching it nightly

 

[marduk]

ohhhh.. that's right. Isnt there a website where you can post a project and people can fund you if they find merit in it?? This is a project I have wanted to try for years now... I would have the feed streamed over the internet. It would be just like being at a vantage spot next to Skinwalker Ranch.... amazing potential actually. I know I'd personally be glued to watching it nightly

Kickstarter

Give'r. I'll invest.

 

[ryan]

tomorrow can someone get on me for this. I need to revise the book's formatting, and I want to start this project. I've been thinking about doing it for years. Today I am very busy trying to pickup a truck for my upcoming cross country adventure. But tomorrow I should be free all day to pursue this.

 

[DissectionStalker]

Black Ops has used desolate areas to carry out their aerial UFO assignments to do the cattle dissections in the Dulce area, and elsewhere, including harassment PSYOPS at night. Please note this was off-base testing too in the Dulce area near and on the Indian reservation starting in the 1970's. That area got "way too hot" with media attention to continue some of these top secret weapons development with these human remote controlled UFO objects, so the program went into deeper cover. Bennewitz was PSYOPS managed. Also, the cattle dissection testing was not a continuous program, and was only being done very infrequently during the 80's and 90's.

The orbs were said to be seen in Bennewitz's home many times and by other people too. Orbs were seen in the Dulce area and Indian reservation during black op operations. Now, you already have your guilty party long before Skinwalker. The black op shadow people in the government were creating these orbs in his home and at Dulce!!!

Re. flying orbs, one of the most interesting parts in Greg Bishop's book Project Beta —which in case you haven't read AMAZON IT NOW, MAN!— is how Bill Moore once went to visit Paul Bennewitz at his home in Albuquerque, and inside the house he observed a bluish sphere of light. Startled by it, he questioned Paul, who responded very nonchalantly as if it were no biggie "Oh yeah, they appear once in a while."

Bill tried to touch the orb, which immediately contracted & disappeared as if it were the image of an old television set turn off. He never found an explanation for it.

These triangular ships and saucers are seen all over the world but these intelligent balls of light are anchored firmly to just the Urinah basin with the ranch near the epicenter of the activity.

Intelligent balls of light predate what you've seen, and are definitely not locked to that area.

Back to the ranch history:
Sherman "pops" out of nowhere with a public article about the ranch that Bigelow gets a hold of immediately and buys the ranch. Everything goes undercover immediately and guards block anyone from getting onto the property. Sherman is co opted -bought and paid for by Bigelow including being hired on Bigelow's payroll. NDA's for everyone!

Since these orbs have been in that desert region and ranch a long time and these types of objects are associated Bennewitz and Dulce too, then it is highly likely this is government black ops.

Listening to the podcast Ryan talks about a red, blue, white lighted "objects" coming from behind the hill 300 feet away that traps them at their first campsite not far from the Skinwalker ranch. Orders were told to them in an unknown language and robotic voice. According to Ryan this unseen assumed "police vehicle" was not a solid or real object. It just disappeared without a trace and no tire tracks, when they walked over the hill to see what "the police" wanted.

My guess is this orb technology (holography?) is being projected from either the black op ranch or possibly by satellite. The sound is being beamed into their heads by a known human technology.

Otherwise, Ryan is hallucinating, fabricating a mythology, or as all you believers want to think he is being affected by whatever entity you're considering is doing it.

The problem with this being something other than human caused is these orbs were associated with Bennewitz and Dulce, and the government black ops he found out about too!!! So did Gabe Valdez. A trusted police officer I believe that filed police reports and evidence.

It seems humans had this orb technology under development already in the 1970's. Some say this goes back to the foo-fighters in WWII, and we discovered this technology from the Germans.

HUMANS are doing this. Is Bigelow the government's "arms length" plausible deniability front??? Hell Yes! He's their black hole and off the books. You get nothing! FOIA nothing! FAA UFO reports, nothing! Everyone is sworn to secrecy, and most of the employees all come in with Top Secret backgrounds and spook or military connections.

As long as Ryan plays their game professing these events are not caused by humans, they will love him for it. They need media that believe and are so deeply committed to their beliefs, so they will do the PR cover-up for them. It's a master stroke that worked perfectly on Linda Moulton Howe too! They have their useful asset captured willingly by their own belief.

Ryan is a chosen one. IMO.

 

[Wade]

Ryan Skinner is the false prophet ?
I suppose if Chris is considering taking a road trip with Ryan be may want to first check Ryan's scalp or wrist for the Mark of the Beast.

 

[DissectionStalker]

Ryan Skinner is the false prophet ?
I suppose if Chris is considering taking a road trip with Ryan be may want to first check Ryan's scalp or wrist for the Mark of the Beast.

I've got to hand it to you... that's really very funny. Thanks, sincerely.

Please note, I said Ryan is 'A' chosen one, not 'the' chosen one, and that is only as long as Ryan plays their useful asset gambit. Ryan is targeted by all the sightings he has had. He is a sincere believer in the entity that is not human, and he believes this is what is causing these "wolves" and orbs and lights to appear and move under intelligent control.

I say it is ALL human caused, not religious or entity based, due to 'the real' black op connections to Dulce and Bennewitz and Gabe Valdez -a police officer. See previous post #107 for details.

All the other BS (BigStories) has not a shred of evidence to support it. Example: grease-spot dead dogs. Police report? Evidence? IF it happened, then I say it was human caused. The story about it, btw, is by a human too. Think about it. Follow the money too.

Speaking of money, Christopher O'Brien on the September 2, 2012 broadcast said one of the undercover guests did work on the ranch, and Chris said he had enough proof to believe it. That guy said they were government funded by contract to Bigelow. Listen to it yourself. Chris indicated he believed him. So, follow the money! It's a black op contractor doing top secret work. Also, that same guy said he knew of top level military that also visited the ranch including a General with 3 other military.

Does this add-up to HUMAN black op involvement with plausible deniability? Hell Yes!

Btw, in the same radio interview the Orbs and lights were seen again near the Kirkland Air Force base regional area again! Duhhh! Oh yeah, ALL the investigators were sent there immediately! I wonder why...

Re. flying orbs, one of the most interesting parts in Greg Bishop's book Project Beta —which in case you haven't read AMAZON IT NOW, MAN!— is how Bill Moore once went to visit Paul Bennewitz at his home in Albuquerque, and inside the house he observed a bluish sphere of light. Startled by it, he questioned Paul, who responded very nonchalantly as if it were no biggie "Oh yeah, they appear once in a while."

Bill tried to touch the orb, which immediately contracted & disappeared as if it were the image of an old television set turn off. He never found an explanation for it.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

…Ryan is 'A' chosen one, not 'the' chosen one, and that is only as long as Ryan plays their useful asset gambit. Ryan is targeted by all the sightings he has had. He is a sincere believer in the entity that is not human, and he believes this is what is causing these "wolves" and orbs and lights to appear and move under intelligent control.

Where is your documentation to back up these bold, emphatic statements? You have none—they are your opinion. Pot-calling-the-kettle black, IMO

I say it is ALL human caused, not religious or entity based, due to 'the real' black op connections to Dulce and Bennewitz and Gabe Valdez -a police officer. See [MY] previous… comments

Oh yeah? WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? Your grandstanding statements are getting old. SHOW US YOUR DATA, or state these bombasts as for what they are "opinions." Like assholes, it would seem we all have one…

All the other BS has not a shred of evidence to support it.

Either does YOURS

Example: grease-spot dead dogs. Police report? Evidence? IF it happened, then I say it was human caused. The story about it, btw, is by a human too. Think about it. Follow the money too.

You sure like to come across as a self-righteous know-it-all. This is NOT how one effectively introduces themselves to a cutting-edge forum populated by discerning individuals Perhaps other's admonishments for seeking help (whatever kind, shape or form that may be) are spot on target. Just keep it polite and we'll all sit back—munch our popcorn and observe your umm pontificating (?)...

 

[DissectionStalker]

…Ryan is 'A' chosen one, not 'the' chosen one, and that is only as long as Ryan plays their useful asset gambit. Ryan is targeted by all the sightings he has had. He is a sincere believer in the entity that is not human, and he believes this is what is causing these "wolves" and orbs and lights to appear and move under intelligent control.

Where is your documentation to back up these bold, emphatic statements? You have none—they are your opinion. Pot-calling-the-kettle black, IMO

The Yellow Helicopter was given to you Bro...

I think you indicated you were hooked, lined, and sinkered.

These Human intelligence agents and intelligent trickster people maintain plausible deniability by not giving evidence or documentation. This is a known fact.

It's happened with numerous other people too. Patsy and unwitting (for 35+ years?) disinformation asset Linda Moulton Howe. Targeted ET-UFO believer Bennewitz that was abused by OSI. I can name others too.

 

[SRL+]

You continuously spew the same twaddle, reciting from fractured narratives. Have you ever the inclination to consider that it is you that has spun?

 

[DissectionStalker]

I say it is ALL human caused, not religious or entity based, due to 'the real' black op connections to Dulce and Bennewitz and Gabe Valdez -a police officer. See [MY] previous… comments

Oh yeah? WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? Your grandstanding statements are getting old. SHOW US YOUR DATA, or state these bombasts as for what they are "opinions." Like assholes, it would seem we all have one…

Hey now, I'm pissed-off at the black op shadow tricksters that are HUMAN. I'm not calling anyone 'here' an asshole, so you're being a bit inflammatory while I've toned down 'that' one post I made and edited-out my elevated anger directed at the black op shadow tricksters.

Now, if you would please carefully read all my long posts in this thread, then there is quite a bit of detail provided about how I'm connecting the dots. Have you seriously done this with a focused and critical eye?

When I mentioned above "ALL Human caused", I was only referring to the Orbs and wolf and experiences that Ryan has had with these Orbs. Yes, I did connect the dots given by Gabe and Greg Valdez, Chris Lambright, and Greg Bishop.

Since you know more about the grease-spot dogs, I'll repeat this...

All the other BS (BigStories) has not a shred of evidence to support it. Example: grease-spot dead dogs. Police report? Evidence? IF it happened, then I say it was human caused. The story about it, btw, is by a human too. Think about it. Follow the money too.

We seem to still have no idea how these dogs were killed, if that happened. The burden of proof is not on me. I didn't start the rumors about this. Who did? Btw, if someone had killed my dogs, then you can be damn certain I'm going to document it and get the police over to file a report too. What the hell did Sherman do about it?

Chris, you seemed to believe this guy -Ryan's friend, X-Skinwalker employee. What is the truth about this... ??? ...

Speaking of money, Christopher O'Brien on the September 2, 2012 broadcast said one of the undercover guests did work on the ranch, and Chris said he had enough proof to believe it. That guy said they were government funded by contract to Bigelow. Listen to it yourself. Chris indicated he believed him. So, follow the money! It's a black op contractor doing top secret work. Also, that same guy said he knew of top level military that also visited the ranch including a General with 3 other military.

Does this add-up to HUMAN black op involvement with plausible deniability? Hell Yes!

Btw, in the same radio interview the Orbs and lights were seen again near the Kirkland Air Force base regional area again! Duhhh! Oh yeah, ALL the investigators were sent there immediately! I wonder why...

Re. flying orbs, one of the most interesting parts in Greg Bishop's book Project Beta —which in case you haven't read AMAZON IT NOW, MAN!— is how Bill Moore once went to visit Paul Bennewitz at his home in Albuquerque, and inside the house he observed a bluish sphere of light. Startled by it, he questioned Paul, who responded very nonchalantly as if it were no biggie "Oh yeah, they appear once in a while."

Bill tried to touch the orb, which immediately contracted & disappeared as if it were the image of an old television set turn off. He never found an explanation for it.

 

[SRL+]

Hey now, I'm pissed-off at the black op shadow tricksters that are HUMAN. I'm not calling anyone 'here' an asshole, so you're being a bit inflammatory while I've toned down 'that' one post I made and edited-out my elevated anger directed at the black op shadow tricksters.

Now, if you would please carefully read all my long posts in this thread, then there is quite a bit of detail provided about how I'm connecting the dots. Have you seriously done this with a focused and critical eye?

When I mentioned above "ALL Human caused", I was only referring to the Orbs and wolf and experiences that Ryan has had with these Orbs. Yes, I did connect the dots given by Gabe and Greg Valdez, Chris Lambright, and Greg Bishop.

Since you know more about the grease-spot dogs, I'll repeat this...

All the other BS (BigStories) has not a shred of evidence to support it. Example: grease-spot dead dogs. Police report? Evidence? IF it happened, then I say it was human caused. The story about it, btw, is by a human too. Think about it. Follow the money too.

We seem to still have no idea how these dogs were killed, if that happened. The burden of proof is not on me. I didn't start the rumors about this. Who did? Btw, if someone had killed my dogs, then you can be damn certain I'm going to document it and get the police over to file a report too. What the hell did Sherman do about it?

Chris, you seemed to believe this guy -Ryan's friend, X-Skinwalker employee. What is the truth about this... ??? ...

Speaking of money, Christopher O'Brien on the September 2, 2012 broadcast said one of the undercover guests did work on the ranch, and Chris said he had enough proof to believe it. That guy said they were government funded by contract to Bigelow. Listen to it yourself. Chris indicated he believed him. So, follow the money! It's a black op contractor doing top secret work. Also, that same guy said he knew of top level military that also visited the ranch including a General with 3 other military.

Does this add-up to HUMAN black op involvement with plausible deniability? Hell Yes!

Btw, in the same radio interview the Orbs and lights were seen again near the Kirkland Air Force base regional area again! Duhhh!

When have you not been “pissed” as in spinning this entire time? You have truly screwed yourself in cobbling together, and presenting a rag tag mosaic of “what if dots” in the most forceful way. I feel as though you’re violating this forum’s intelligence.., you brute, you. Don’t you know that you have to kiss us first?

 

[DissectionStalker]

When have you not been “pissed” as in spinning this entire time?

BS. I didn't get "pissed" until post #89. Then I calmed down after a night's sleep, and I corrected the error of my ways by editing out the inflammatory language that was not directed at anyone in this forum. It was directed at the Black Op Evil Tricksters!

You pile on, because you believe Ryan and his idea this is "entity based" and not human caused. Ryan gets upset, because I'm completely dismayed he has no knowledge or background studies or interest about laser detection, invisible light detection, 3D image projection, etc. This is absolutely totally bizarre that he goes to this area for over 6-7 years now, and is not equipped to discover if these types of devices are doing this???????

P L E A S E give me a break.

I would have done that after the Orb sightings!!! Day one. Freaking brilliant or just common investigator sense??? So, I am dismayed at Ryan's ignorance 6-7 years into this. Sounds like he has a closed mind and knows what is doing this.

Funny though, listen to this Paracast: Christopher O'Brien on the September 2, 2012 broadcast said one of the undercover guests did work on the ranch, and Chris said he had enough proof to believe it. That guy said they were government funded by contract to Bigelow. Listen to it yourself. Chris indicated he believed him. So, follow the money! It's a black op contractor doing top secret work. Also, that same guy said he knew of top level military that also visited the ranch including a General with 3 other military.

This guy said they were given a brain scan(s) AND giving urine samples too!!! WTF. Can not you guys add this up??? Do I need to spell it out??? He knew they were Guinea pigs. Lab rats being tested on. Let me spoon feed you...

"We were the guinea pigs. They were testing us. They were examining us. We were the test dummies here. Like they have some new military thing out here, and they wanted to see how it effects people."

Now, get off your armchair critique and start offering "evidence" and logical thinking that is human based before jumping to entity based. You are entitled to your entity religion that always evaporates at the critical moments when stories are verified by other witnesses. I've warned you all about Bennewitz, Linda Moulton Howe, Robert Collins, and Serpo Doty to KNOW you are probably going off the deep end into your fantasy that has nothing to do with reality. Beliefs are cool, but not necessarily reality based.

Skinwalkers??? Hell yeah! Read Tony Hillerman. Do it. Period. There's a long history of HUMANS dawning skinwalker costumes to do the deeds or misdeeds. 3D is the next step. Ryan's wolf encounter is just the beginning!

Remember the Yellow Helicopter!

 

[SRL+]

BS. I didn't get "pissed" until post #89. Then I calmed down after a night's sleep, and I corrected the error of my ways by editing out the inflammatory language that was not directed at anyone in this forum. It was directed at the Black Op Evil Tricksters!

You pile on, because you believe Ryan and his idea this is "entity based" and not human caused. Ryan gets upset, because I'm completely dismayed he has no knowledge or background studies or interest about laser detection, invisible light detection, 3D image projection, etc. This is absolutely totally bizarre that he goes to this area for over 6-7 years now, and is not equipped to discover if these types of devices are doing this???????

P L E A S E give me a break.

I would have done that after the Orb sightings!!! Day one. Freaking brilliant or just common investigator sense??? So, I am dismayed at Ryan's ignorance 6-7 years into this. Sounds like he has a closed mind and knows what is doing this.

Funny though, listen to this Paracast: Christopher O'Brien on the September 2, 2012 broadcast said one of the undercover guests did work on the ranch, and Chris said he had enough proof to believe it. That guy said they were government funded by contract to Bigelow. Listen to it yourself. Chris indicated he believed him. So, follow the money! It's a black op contractor doing top secret work. Also, that same guy said he knew of top level military that also visited the ranch including a General with 3 other military.

This guy said they were given a brain scan(s) AND giving urine samples too!!! WTF. Can not you guys add this up??? Do I need to spell it out??? He knew they were Guinea pigs. Lab rats being tested on. Let me spoon feed you...

"We were the guinea pigs. They were testing us. They were examining us. We were the test dummies here. Like they have some new military thing out here, and they wanted to see how it effects people."

Now, get off your armchair critique and start offering "evidence" and logical thinking that is human based before jumping to entity based. You are entitled to your entity religion that always evaporates at the critical moments when stories are verified by other witnesses. I've warned you all about Bennewitz, Linda Moulton Howe, Robert Collins, and Serpo Doty to KNOW you are probably going off the deep end into your fantasy that has nothing to do with reality. Beliefs are cool, but not necessarily reality based.

Skinwalkers??? Hell yeah! Read Tony Hillerman. Do it. Period. There's a long history of HUMANS dawning skinwalker costumes to do the deeds or misdeeds. 3D is the next step. Ryan's wolf encounter is just the beginning!

A break you say? As far as I’m concerned you’ve had a break since post #67. Chris and Ryan have been most charitable in allowing to you continue.

 

[DissectionStalker]

I am open minded to ANY theory and curious to explore yours in more detail. What in particular do you recommend (re?)reading or listening to?

Ok Ryan, you offered, now put-up...

(No shut-up is allowed if you're going to keep your word quoted just above.)

Please read post #101, not mine, and answer some good questions.

Please read post #107 and #115 and #122 and give us a real critique, rather than just ignoring reasonable ideas. (Fyi, #66 #74 #85 will complete the picture.)

 

[Wade]

The Yellow Helicopter was given to you Bro...

Edited previous message

I'm not sure what you are getting at here, are you suggesting that Chris's yellow helicopter flyover was choreographed by a human trickster ? You should review the event in Chris's book The Mysterious Valley. There was a (nearly). 13 year gap between the 1980 event and the flyover which occured during the time that he was reviewing his notes to put his book together. You would have to argue that the MilTricksters had bugged his place and waited close to13 years to hook him in.

 

[SRL+]

Edited previous message

I'm not sure what you are getting at here, are you suggesting that Chris's yellow helicopter flyover was choreographed by a human trickster ? You should review the event in Chris's book The Mysterious Valley. There was a (nearly). 13 year gap between the 1980 event and the flyover which occured during the time that he was reviewing his notes to put his book together. You would have to argue that the MilTricksters had bugged his place and waited close to13 years to hook him in.

It was 1980, 13 years after the fact, in late January of 1993. Pages 40-44, of “The Mysterious Valley.”

 

[DissectionStalker]

That's not the way Chris tells the story in a Paracast I have. IIRC. He indicated the Yellow Helicopter appeared the next day or so soon after his visit to that ranch.

I don't know WHY he would be hooked, lined, and sinkered 13 years AFTER the fact??? Lol.

(He was hooked 13 years before he started the book. I think we can agree on that point.)