Riot Day in Ferguson, Missouri

[Charlie Prime]

Good to see you Ted Nugent, I didn't know you were a Paracaster.

Ted Nugent did cuss me out in Dallas, Texas in 1976. In 1980 he spat at me in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Nugent is not a nice man, like Jesus...

Pastor at Brown's funeral:

 

[pixelsmith]

I think Ted is interesting. A bit over the top at times. He never used drugs in a rock n roll environment either.


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[smcder]

Ted Nugent's Jailbait Problem | Larry Womack


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[smcder]

Two years before recording "Jailbait," Ted Nugent had the novel idea of becoming legal guardian to a 17-year-old girl, so that they could have sex without, you know, her parents having legal recourse. They acquiesced. "I guess they figured better Ted Nugent than some drug-infested punk in high school," he told VH1, years later. In the same documentary, he claimed to have had several relationships with young girls, and seems to brag about gaining their parents' approval, too. (Though he didn't go so far as to adopt any of them.)



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[pixelsmith]

Two years before recording "Jailbait," Ted Nugent had the novel idea of becoming legal guardian to a 17-year-old girl, so that they could have sex without, you know, her parents having legal recourse. They acquiesced. "I guess they figured better Ted Nugent than some drug-infested punk in high school," he told VH1, years later. In the same documentary, he claimed to have had several relationships with young girls, and seems to brag about gaining their parents' approval, too. (Though he didn't go so far as to adopt any of them.)



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Everybody knows that.


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[smcder]

Everybody knows that.


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I'm glad.


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[Tyger]

I know what Enculturation is, and I know from five miserable semesters studying to be a CPA what Equity is.

I don't understand what Equity you are talking about Enculturating.

What Equity are you talking about?

There is equity and there is equity -
eq·ui·ty
ˈekwədē/
noun

1. 1.
   the quality of being fair and impartial.
   "equity of treatment"
   synonyms: fairness, justness, impartiality, egalitarianism;
2. 2.
   the value of the shares issued by a company.
   "he owns 62% of the group's equity"

 

[pixelsmith]

I am no fan of aggressive cops. I am a lover of all races.
This young thug flirted with danger and got killed. He basically asked to get shot. I think a tazer would have been better but under the circumstances it may have not been an option.
The community's response is unjustified in my opinion and perpetuates the stereotype of a black community.


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[Wade]

I am no fan of aggressive cops. I am a lover of all races.
This young thug flirted with danger and got killed. He basically asked to get shot. I think a tazer would have been better but under the circumstances it may have not been an option.
The community's response is unjustified in my opinion and perpetuates the stereotype of a black community.


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I tend to agree with that assessment pixel but I don't think it was a community response in the sense it was the community. Obviously some members of the crowd were local but at the same time some of the people that paid the price of these riots were store/property owners are black and are just as angry about the decision as anybody else.

If it can be argued that a number of overseas terrorists who deem themselves religious warriors are just common thugs wanting to create destruction under a cloak of religious righteousness, then I see no reason to think the same thing can't apply to people who hide under a cloak of civil righteousness but god help the person who "goes there" by pointing this out as this makes them a racist.




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[Wade]

In the aftermath of the grand jury's decisicion i heard an interesting story that made me think.

The social media platform twitter collected tweets about the ferguson situation and put them into a graphical interface and found that ...to no one's surprise...that there was a huge divide between people who thought it was a horrible outrageous injustice and people who thought that the victim was a thug in candy coating and got what he deserved. It didn't really go into details about the racial/and gender make up of the posts...although that information was available... but one could pretty much surmise and draw their own conclusions i guess. Needless to say both sides used very heated incidenary rhetoric.

Twitter Analysis Reveals Deep Political Divide over Ferguson Shooting | IVN.us

See how red tweeters and blue tweeters ignore each other on Ferguson – Quartz


At any rate there were very few people in the middle who offered what MIGHT be considered a reasonable measured response i.e. yes it was a tragedy, yes there is plenty of injustices in this country (not only against people of color but people of little means or power i might add but acknowledege that people of color make up for a lot of these people) but let's consider the evidence and take out suspicions and subjective interpetations of the event.

Again, this would probably come to little surprise to many people but this thought made me think about another talking point you hear about around election time when it comes to our congress. That is about the huge divide between the two parties and how there is usually little iniative to cross party lines and compromise more often. We tend to call our elected reps childish and perhaps they are, but the parallel here was striking. After reading this story It all made sense to me why our elected representatives take the positions they do. Maybe the word representative in this sense really sticks. They are us, and we are them.they represent us in a way we never considered, the inconvient conclusion being that we are children as well. I had the thought that our reps are probably just acting accordingly to what seems to be a dualistic national programming code, either consciously or unconsciously. If the citizenry can't find a bridge, how can we expect our elected reps to? Perhaps this apparent dicohtomy is not actually representative of the whole country but you wouldn't come to the conclusion based on the more vocal voices on the social platforms, In fact it seems to be the fact that this divide is exasperated by social forums. a vicious comment from one side brings a vicious retort by another and then that retort is met by another and it goes on and on. If social media is/was intended to bring people together and try to find solutions, it's not doing a very good job at least on this front. Maybe the wounds are too deep, maybe the suspicions are as well. There ARE individuals and organizations that are trying to break through this wall and address the concerns that all these angry, frustrated people on both sides (each with their own feelings about the "other side" ) want to get off their chests but these well intentioned people are going to need a bigger boat. It brings to my mind the famous Pogo quote.

This isn't exactly a revelation i know and i think i've probably been aware of this trend for some time but it wasn't front and center in my thoughts. It seems as i get older i get more "social sciencey" in my thinking. In the past i haven't paid a lot of attention or personally gotten involved in a lot of social media, but i've done a 180° it seems. I now fully appreciate that not only does social media make more apparent the divide in our society, social media also makes it worse by turning up the heat.

We pretty much passed the point where not one of us can speak out on things or point out some inconvenient fact or issue without being branded with a label, we find that sides are being picked out and forced upon us . At this point I would point out that events are not always a black and white issue but that would probably be racist and incorrect because someone has already determined for me that I am black or white.

With apologies to Walt Kelly

 

[mike]

There is equity and there is equity -
eq·ui·ty
ˈekwədē/
noun

1. 1.
   the quality of being fair and impartial.
   "equity of treatment"
   synonyms: fairness, justness, impartiality, egalitarianism;
2. 2.
   the value of the shares issued by a company.
   "he owns 62% of the group's equity"

Exactly, so equity reculturation would be the process of changing our enculturation to reflect such values as being very important.

To be honest im not sure thats actually possible. we would have to have a discussion about altruism vs self interest are they hard wired biological imperatives etc etc.

But failing such insurmountable barriers, it strikes me as a sensible pov.

I dont have a racist or sexist bone in my body. i recognise the skin we get born in is a lottery and beyond an individuals control. As such to discriminate based on such external wrapping seems illogical

 

[Burnt State]

What Equity are you talking about?

Creating equity in society means to create an even playing field for all people. So the reason why we have parking spaces for pregnant women and folks with mobility concerns is to make it fair for them when they go to grocery stores as able bodied people can walk from a further distance. Similarly we have access ramps so people in wheelchairs can also go to libraries and post offices with steps at their entrance, because everyone likes to get mail and books.

Now on some campuses they have escort and taxi programs so women can make it from one end of a campus to another without getting sexually assaulted (though this is more of a band aid solution than creating equity - the equitable thing to do would be to teach men not to rape women, but in a society where Ted Nugent gets to live out his pedophiliac fantasies with teen girls, Ted Nugent the anachronistic big white game hunter I might add, well that society is far away from letting women live in peace instead of having to be paranoid at night while waiting at the bus stop).

Now with regards to mental health we know we need to change our attitudes and should stop making references to "loons" and "crazy" people, just like we shouldn't be saying, "that's so gay," all the time but then again it's a society that is still biased, prejudiced, and steeped in stereotypes, blames victims and is unwilling to recognize privilege at work. I know from early work in leading anti-racism workshops that white people are not ready to surrender their privilege, and rich people are even less likely to give up profits in the form of taxes to redevelop underprivileged neighborhoods.

Racism is really tricky. Creating equity there requires a much more complicated set of changes to the cultural fabric of every service provider, the general populous and housing planning. It's a real long term event. That's why we used to describe racial harmony as "The Great Project," for the fantasy of an equitable, inclusive, happy anti-racist society would speak to many parallel issues such as gender and class. But as Wade pointed out, our society is a divided one, men/women, white/non-white, settlers/Indiginous, straight/gay, rich/poor, young/old...we are a polarized people led by rich white capitalist patriarchal pricks who don't want to give up a dime to help the masses.

Sure there are many examples of charities, philanthropy, and men of industry who create jobs, but by and large the wealthy folk are stuck in their ways. They do not want to give up their gated communities and would prefer to have people stand their ground on their behalf, maybe shoot black youth coming home from the corner store, or fire at the fleeing suspect. These are choices we make. However it wasn't too long ago that a man could legally rape his wife if he wanted, or that black people couldn't vote, or that you would be incarcerated for being gay. So society can change, and we do get better all the time, for the most part; it just takes a really long time.

But what stands on the other side of the divide is a society that celebrates diversity, that mixes rich and poor, where kids of all abilities go to the same class and where all the many genders and sexualities get their groove on together and live in total harmony. With the healing of an oppressive, misogynist, genocidal society behind then, nothing but blue skies ahead for us all. Countries who minimize the gap between rich and poor are healthier, better educated, have less cime and are more productive. That's what equity is all about.

 

[smcder]

Exactly, so equity reculturation would be the process of changing our enculturation to reflect such values as being very important.

To be honest im not sure thats actually possible. we would have to have a discussion about altruism vs self interest are they hard wired biological imperatives etc etc.

But failing such insurmountable barriers, it strikes me as a sensible pov.

I dont have a racist or sexist bone in my body. i recognise the skin we get born in is a lottery and beyond an individuals control. As such to discriminate based on such external wrapping seems illogical

If we have to have a discussion about altruism we have to have one about the biological basis of racism/xenophobia.

On a slightly different note try this:

Take a Test


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[Burnt State]

If you want to find out how racist, sexist, ableist etc, you are - go to Project Implicit.

 

[Burnt State]

If we have to have a discussion about altruism we have to have one about the biological basis of racism/xenophobia.

On a slightly different note try this:

Take a Test

Ok, so now I'm willing to admit synchronicity can happen on occasion.

 

[Wade]

Ok, so now I'm willing to admit synchronicity can happen on occasion.

Actually It was just a coincidence Burnt. but your making progress

 

[Burnt State]

Actually It was just a coincidence Burnt. but your making progress

Thanks, Wade. I know it was, but sometimes I feel that it's important to be paranormally generous so as not to alienate too many people.

 

[Charlie Prime]

Creating equity in society means to create an even playing field for all people.

B.S. it’s fascinating how you are unable to detect the irrationality of something you are so strongly committed to. I mean, whenever I’ve been intensely interested in something, I tried to distill it down to find the essence of it before investing my life into it.

You claim to abhor violence, but promote it vigorously. You claim to want a “level playing field”, but constantly promote no playing on the field. You claim to want less racism and sexism, but continuously advocate more of it. This type of cognitive dissonance would make most people uncomfortable, but for you it does not.

Did you know the Cultural Marxism you champion actually has its roots in Calvinist Christianity? Does that ever cause you to pause and consider whether what you believe might need closer examination?

 

[mike]

B.S. it’s fascinating how you are unable to detect the irrationality of something you are so strongly committed to. I mean, whenever I’ve been intensely interested in something, I tried to distill it down to find the essence of it before investing my life into it.

You claim to abhor violence, but promote it vigorously. You claim to want a “level playing field”, but constantly promote no playing on the field. You claim to want less racism and sexism, but continuously advocate more of it. This type of cognitive dissonance would make most people uncomfortable, but for you it does not.

Did you know the Cultural Marxism you champion actually has its roots in Calvinist Christianity? Does that ever cause you to pause and consider whether what you believe might need closer examination?

Did i miss something ?

How the heck do you take this

Creating equity in society means to create an even playing field for all people.

As advocating more racism and sexism, and vigorously promoting violence

Cognitive dissonance indeed

 

[Burnt State]

Yeah, I'm pretty confused by some of those entirely irrational statements myself. But then again, everyone lives in the reality they believe in I suppose. I'm not sure Charlie if you are making more or less sense as a bean sprout than when you were the Russian butcher.