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Travis Walton Takes "Moment Of Truth" Polygraph Test


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98H at the time. it doesn't exist anymore. cross-trained to be a 98K. i worked at the NSA for 3.5 years. we had foreign operatives always working around Maryland and DC. i also went through Interrogator school and was slotted for Iraq before getting out on medical reasons.
 
Something about this seems off, it's more like.. a game show than it is a legitimate polygraph test. We all know that TV productions do a lot for ratings.
 
lancemoody said:
Phil Klass was always big on polygraphs, which was something I did not agree with. Polygraphs are pseudoscience.
Of course, I don't believe Travis's story either.
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I wouldn't call them pseudoscience, but they are far from an exact science. I don't think that Travis was abducted by aliens.
 
Polygraphs do have their uses, particularly when operated by trained and experienced individuals, under strict protocols and control conditions. I certainly wouldn't characterize them as "pseudo-science" as Lance does (presumably because he doesn't want to be put in a position of accepting results he might disagree with).

However, re: this "game show"...

WFT?

Why on Earth, or beyond, would Walton agree to appear on something like this, especially if he is telling the truth? I'm sorry, but regardless of the results, his credibility just took a serious hit with me.
 
I gotta' go with Lance on this one. Science has not looked favorably on polygraphs. It is effective at measuring stress, nothing more. Liars can be cool as a cucumber and truthful people can be as nervous as a whore in church. And so much of it depends on the attitude and aptitude of the examiner.

It was pretty funny seeing "lie detector" results thrown off by simply tightening one's sphincter on Penn and Teller.:

Penn.and.Teller.Bullshit.S07E05.Lie.Detectors.HDTV | 220.ro

As far as Walton goes I believe he is still a physical laborer, isn't he? That show pays out a large cash prize if all of the questions can be passed and after a bevy of passed tests Walton might have been confident (Perhaps overly so) that it would make for easy money.
 
lancemoody said:
Hilarious.

As I mentioned, I read several articles about the topic personally but I didn't run out and track them them down so the internet could be set right here in these forums!
The Wiki article simply shows that I'm not alone in the assessment I gave AND it cites a published article that supports this.
Perhaps you read the article in the Journal of Forensic Psychology Practice and have some reservations about it?
Yeah, that's what I thought.

All this against NO citations of any kind from you or anyone else to the contrary. And naturally no call for any!

Such lame argumentation.

Fondly,

Lance
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Fair enough but following any tom, dick or harry can put there ideology in those free wheeling dic, However, those who use there academic background hammer those who have open minds can't have it both ways?
 
Lance,
I am saying let use scientific academic journals when debating polygraph discussion as its a scientific tool in use and theretofore relying on those dic which are fine for everyday chit chat but polygraph topic is serous debate. Which in some case can mean life or death for those on the dead man walking list.:) In addition, Mr Travis Walton deserve a fair hearing until his story has been proven wrong. If he is BS he will meet his maker.:cool:

Peace,
BF
 
Ron Collins said:
I have never heard of that outside of special forces and by that I mean specifically SFOD-D (Delta Force) and I am not even sure that is accurate. Not to mention that polygraphs really measure physiological stress. So they require the participant to be realtively calm and willing to go through the process. This is why polygraphs are NEVER consulted in interrogations or on prisoners. In that scenario the physiological and psychological stress factors would be to unpredictable to establish and accurate baseline.

Plus, this guy claims he was in "Intelligence". Special forces guys have a member of the team responsible for operational intel but he doesn't claim to be in intelligence. He would claim to be a special forces operator. Guys that claim to be in intelligence occupy comm shacks, command and control centers, mission planing rooms, and other duties that are not typically in a position to be captured. This is to minimize the risk of exposing them and their "sources and methods" knowledge of intelligence collection and distribution to potential enemy capture. That isn't to say that they are weenies. They are just aren't typically trigger guys.

So basically, I want to call this out. I want to know his MOS and specifically what job he had that required specialized training to defeat polygraphs and specifically what polygraph systems he was trained to defeat. My

So, for me, it is hard to imagine a job that requires specialized training of this nature outside of deep cover CIA type scenarios. I just can't believe that unless I can confirm with others in that exact same job that it was a requirement. Now, if I am wrong so be it. I would issue a strong apology and be better armed with information for the future. For me it just doesn't hold water. Many of you know how I feel about misrepresenting military service or outright lying about it. So I would hope he doesn't take too much offense to the questions as my intentions are honorable.

As an aside: I know of a guy right here on these forums that was an intelligence specialist in the Navy. I will send him a PM and ask him to weigh in as he has first hand experiance being in an intelligence job.
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How is this relevant to the thread? Pointing someone out that you think is telling a lie here has nothing to do with the veracity of Walton's case.
 
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