• SUPPORT THE SHOW AND ENJOY A PREMIUM PARACAST EXPERIENCE! Welcome to The Paracast+! For a low subscription fee, you will receive access to an ad-free version of The Paracast, the exclusive After The Paracast podcast, featuring color commentary, exclusive interviews, plus show transcripts, the new Paracast+ Video Channel, Classic Episodes and Special Features categories! We now offer lifetime memberships! You can subscribe via this direct link:
    https://www.theparacast.com/plus/

    Subscribe to The Paracast Newsletter!

Ted Phillips




coyote

Skilled Investigator
After 12 years of investigating a place that we don't even know the real name of (Marley Woods) I was sure hoping for a little more information from Mr. Phillips. I admire the man a lot and appreciate his efforts, but geez! Give us some information, Ted. Also, the 'artifact' in the Tatra Mountains of Slovakia.......I heard nothing what so ever about it........did I miss it some how? Gene, you really tried to get him to open up and I appreciate that.
 

Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
Mr. Phillips promised to put up a daylight photo of a white bigfoot-like creature on his new site in "a couple of weeks"!

Clear daylight photos of these kinds of creatures are rare but Ted seemed to think this was a great one.

I can't wait!

I am going to start the countdown, if that's okay? But I don't know when this interview was recorded.

Ted's current site appears to have been designed in about 1996, where he humbly describes himself as a modern-day Indiana Jones so I am sure that the new site is not ready just yet.

Hopefully the photo won't be pulled into one of the portals also discussed on the show (of course if it does, I think I have learned is to say that this is a tricksterish event which is even better than any old proof, if I am following this stuff in my woefully limited way).

Lance
Web sites are seldom done on time. I'd cut him a little slack, since someone is doing it for him. But the episode was recorded a little over a week in advance.
 

blowfish

Whittingham
Web sites are seldom done on time. I'd cut him a little slack, since someone is doing it for him. But the episode was recorded a little over a week in advance.

Great show Gene, Chris and Mr Ted Phillips ,
Mr Ted Phillips has given a excellent interview and looking forward to him returing again and Gene maybe a move into Video feed of paracast radio show for youtube?
 

Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
Great show Gene, Chris and Mr Ted Phillips ,
Mr Ted Phillips has given a excellent interview and looking forward to him returing again and Gene maybe a move into Video feed of paracast radio show for youtube?
Video feed? I don't think our network is equipped for that, and the guests and co-hosts are in widely different locations. Besides I have a face for radio. :D
 

Tom From Hong Kong

Sleeping with one eye open . . .
After 12 years of investigating a place that we don't even know the real name of (Marley Woods) I was sure hoping for a little more information from Mr. Phillips. I admire the man a lot and appreciate his efforts, but geez! Give us some information, Ted. Also, the 'artifact' in the Tatra Mountains of Slovakia.......I heard nothing what so ever about it........did I miss it some how? Gene, you really tried to get him to open up and I appreciate that.
If I resided in an area such as "Marley Woods", I would not want the location to be publicized. Additionally, the almost guaranteed appearance of The Ghosthunters, The UFO Hunters and other freelance researchers (one massive clown troupe) is likely to impede Ted's efforts to do bona fide research. This is a very reasonable and logical position. Besides, I think most people find Ted to be highly credible, and few if any seriously believe he is manufacturing this information. The release of photos and videos will further enhance this credibility.

I always enjoy listening to Ted -- a credible frontline researcher who is able to directly relay the results ("the data") of his investigation. This was a good, informative show.
 

dad2059

Temporal Transhuman
If I heard correctly, Ted surmised that he witnessed a humanoid's upper torso only, as if watching through an opening?
 

Angel of Ioren

Friendly Skeptic
This sounds like it'll be an interesting episode. I probably won't be able to listen to it until Wednesday though.
 
P

Paul Kimball

Guest
A good summary:

http://www.project1947.com/phillips.htm

I know it's heresy to even suggest this, but I've never found Phillip's work to be terribly impressive. It has always struck me as quantity over quality, and I've always found it disingenous when UFO researchers will point to it and say something along the lines of, "well, Ted Phillips has accumulated thousands of physical trace cases, so that's evidence that UFOs are real, and extraterrestrial."

Take the classic 1971 Delphos, Kansas case, which I have heard Stan Friedman repeatedly refer to in lectures. Have a look at the analysis done of the soil samples by CUFOS, who brought in a chemist 25+ years later.

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/Budinger/UT001.pdf

Note the conclusions:

The analysis neither proves not rules out a UFO source of the release. The above natural products have many useful properties. Specifically, humates are known for their chelation/bonding to metals and organics. "Earthside" we use them in fertilizer and for removal of toxic metals and organic pollutants. It is natural to assume intelligent extraterrestrial life forms would also use them. One speculation if they are perhaps waste products of a biological process.
I would say that after reading the report there is nothing in this "classic" UFO case that points to an ET spacecraft, except for the witness who claims to have seen it - which means that what we really have is primarily a single witness case (although the original witness' family claims to have seen the object after his initial encounter). Even if Johnston et al did encounter a strange object, there is nothing to suggest an extraterrestrial origin as the most likely explanation from the physical traces, which is the conclusion ET proponents consistently offer.

I don't question Phillips' honesty - he comes across as sincere, and I have no reason to doubt that he is anything otherwise. But doing something for decades doesn't necessarily make you good at it, particularly when you didn't have any real training or qualifications, as far as I can tell, in the first place. Far too much credit / emphasis is given to "field research" just because it's "field research" - again, quantity trumping quality. What's important is not that someone goes out and investigates something - what's important is that the person has the training that qualifies him or her to do it, and that they conduct their investigation in an objective and impartial manner.
 

tyder001

Paranormal Adept
I am to the point that I have seen a couple of other folks at here. I enjoy the "fun" of u.f.o. speculation and I am a fan of "esoteric" research and discussion. But, the u.f.o. situation has been beat to death. Either there is a (oh lawd this will piss some off.) Spiritual inner expereince going on with abducties or a purley pshycological trigger of some kind. There is no (imo) nuts and bolts craft to be found or discovered. I hate it but that's what it looks like. I am pretty much finished with the "spaceman" debate myself. Not that it matters to anyone else but me. :) I don't think we are going to find intelligent humanoid life on any other planet although ya never know. But, I'm "almost" certain they did not "seed" earth and they are not coming back to earth.
 

Ron Collins

Curiously Confused
If I resided in an area such as "Marley Woods", I would not want the location to be publicized. Additionally, the almost guaranteed appearance of The Ghosthunters, The UFO Hunters and other freelance researchers is likely to impede Ted's efforts to do bona fide research. This is a very reasonable and logical position. Besides, I think most people find Ted to be highly credible, and few if any seriously believe he is manufacturing this information. The release of photos and videos will further enhance this credibility.

I always enjoy listening to Ted -- a credible frontline researcher who is able to directly relay the results ("the data") of his investigation. This was a good, informative show.
Ted is one of the most credible UFO researchers out there. I wish he would devote or allow others to devote time to digitizing all of his files, which are vast and extensive. But, if he says he has something, then I immediately take notice. My all time favorite case is the Delphos Kansas case so it is no surprise that I hold him in high regard.

I was never really interested in the skinwalker ranch stuff. No proof or documentation was offered in the book and i just chalked it up as B.S. but many of the things or situations Ted describes about the Marley Woods sound similar. I await the video, stills, and other evidence with great anticipation.

---------- Post added at 05:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:35 PM ----------

A good summary:I would say that after reading the report there is nothing in this "classic" UFO case that points to an ET spacecraft, except for the witness who claims to have seen it - which means that what we really have is primarily a single witness case (although the original witness' family claims to have seen the object after his initial encounter). Even if Johnston et al did encounter a strange object, there is nothing to suggest an extraterrestrial origin as the most likely explanation from the physical traces, which is the conclusion ET proponents consistently offer.
If your main problem with the case is that Friedman and others point to it for proof of alien spacecraft, I wholeheartedly agree. But this report shows the anomalous nature of the case. The ring combined with the witness testimony links the two. I find it a fascinating case and will until someone offers a plausible prosaic explanation to account for all the trace evidence. Evidence that I believe indicates a landing or near landing.

---------- Post added at 05:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:16 PM ----------

I am unlikely to disagree with the "waste products" conclusion.

Lance
Are you refering to this?
7) The analysis neither proves nor rules out a UFO source of the release. The above natural products have many useful properties. Specifically, humates are known for their chelation/bonding to metals and organics. “Earthside” we use them in fertilizer and for removal of toxic metals and organic pollutants. It is natural to assume intelligent extraterrestrial life forms would also use them. One speculation is they are perhaps waste products of a biological process.
If so I wonder if you took in acount the information supplied in conclusion 9.
9.) Finally, others have countered that the release represents the products of “well seasoned barnyard soil”. If this were the case there should be much higher concentrations of elements such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium present. Also there should be evidence of significant amounts of other components such as urea, uric acid, and ammonium components, which are typical of animal waste and its decomposition products. These are not detected. Only the fulvic acid predominates.
or this from #8
8.) A speculation is offered by a colleague (Dr. J. Robert Mooney). It is based on the presence of the high concentration (5%) of oxalic acid. (The following may sound bizarre, yet isn’t the whole UFO phenomena bizarre? It is worth contemplating.) Oxalic acid is a natural product in the soil. However, such a high concentration would not be expected from the usual plant source. Exhaust from a low temperature ionization or combustion engine (whose fuel source was elemental carbon) could leave a high concentration of the acid along with other lower molecular weight acids. Of course the major components from such an engine would be expected to the carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. These would be lost as gases. The acids would concentrate in the soil beneath the exhaust. Use of elemental carbon, as a fuel, seems very reasonable as it is safely transportable and contains a high energy density. It is recommended that future ring sites be carefully assayed for oxalic acid and other low molecular weight acetic components4.
 

Tom From Hong Kong

Sleeping with one eye open . . .
Ted is one of the most credible UFO researchers out there. I wish he would devote or allow others to devote time to digitizing all of his files, which are vast and extensive. But, if he says he has something, then I immediately take notice. My all time favorite case is the Delphos Kansas case so it is no surprise that I hold him in high regard.

I was never really interested in the skinwalker ranch stuff. No proof or documentation was offered in the book and i just chalked it up as B.S. but many of the things or situations Ted describes about the Marley Woods sound similar. I await the video, stills, and other evidence with great anticipation.
Ron, I agree. There is no substitute for 'on-the-job' experience, and Phillips has plenty of it. Short of Phillips being a fraud or an idiot (an there is no evidence of either), then you have to take careful note of his work, which is done in conjunction / consultation with qualified specialists such as chemists, geologist, veterinarians, etc.

Personally I would feel uncomfortable attempting to debunk a case without ever having gone out to the field and talked to the witnesses, preferably contemporaneously with the events in question. Individuals like Phillips are best positioned to assess witness accuracy and credibility.
 

coyote

Skilled Investigator
If I resided in an area such as "Marley Woods", I would not want the location to be publicized. Additionally, the almost guaranteed appearance of The Ghosthunters, The UFO Hunters and other freelance researchers (one massive clown troupe) is likely to impede Ted's efforts to do bona fide research. This is a very reasonable and logical position. Besides, I think most people find Ted to be highly credible, and few if any seriously believe he is manufacturing this information. The release of photos and videos will further enhance this credibility.

I always enjoy listening to Ted -- a credible frontline researcher who is able to directly relay the results ("the data") of his investigation. This was a good, informative show.
Ted, spends a great deal of time describing balls (orbs). He goes into great detail. Personally, I'm just not interested in hearing about balls. Don't care what color they are or what size. Looking forward to seeing the photo of the large white dog, though.

 

stphrz

Stuffed Tiger
Web sites are seldom done on time. I'd cut him a little slack, since someone is doing it for him. But the episode was recorded a little over a week in advance.
Sorry Gene, but no. I do respect you and what you are trying to do and I appreciate it.

However, when I hear a guest make claims on your show about photographs or video footage that are not available to be viewed or will be put up on a website "in a few weeks" I just stop listening.

This is a pattern I "get." This is a fallacy trap I refuse to fall into.
 

Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
Sorry Gene, but no. I do respect you and what you are trying to do and I appreciated it.

However, when I hear a guest make claims on your show about photographs or video footage that are not available to be viewed or will be put up on a website "in a few weeks" I just stop listening.

This is a pattern I "get." This is a fallacy trap I refuse to fall into.
I heard from him today and he still insists he'll have the site up and running soon — probably in a week, which is in keeping with what he said on the show. Having done Web development myself at a fairly modest level, I can tell you it always takes longer than you expect. Always. Ted has someone supposedly expert at this doing the hard lifting, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it arrive later.

I know when we updated this forum with a major software upgrade, it took several weeks to clear out the problems. And we had an existing forum with a very stable structure.
 

stphrz

Stuffed Tiger
I heard from him today and he still insists he'll have the site up and running soon — probably in a week, which is in keeping with what he said on the show. Having done Web development myself at a fairly modest level, I can tell you it always takes longer than you expect. Always. Ted has someone supposedly expert at this doing the hard lifting, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it arrive later.

I know when we updated this forum with a major software upgrade, it took several weeks to clear out the problems. And we had an existing forum with a very stable structure.
Gene, it is not my intention to be argumentative with you but I do know that you can make a direct link to a picture or video on a server somewhere in mere minutes. All you have to do is upload the file and post a link to it. You don't need a fancy website. This is not hard.

When this site comes to pass, and the aforementioned files are posted. I will retract what I have said and listen to the rest of the episode.
 
P

Paul Kimball

Guest
Ron, I agree. There is no substitute for 'on-the-job' experience, and Phillips has plenty of it. Short of Phillips being a fraud or an idiot (an there is no evidence of either), then you have to take careful note of his work, which is done in conjunction / consultation with qualified specialists such as chemists, geologist, veterinarians, etc.

Personally I would feel uncomfortable attempting to debunk a case without ever having gone out to the field and talked to the witnesses, preferably contemporaneously with the events in question. Individuals like Phillips are best positioned to assess witness accuracy and credibility.
I disagree completely. This is symptomatic of the cult of the field investigator, as I've begun to call it.

I think it's pretty clear that after several years "in the field," much less several decades, someone like Phillips will lose whatever objectivity they might have had. They may still be able to gather information (although there is the risk that they will subconsciously distort it), but the interpretation is always better left to people who can maintain some objectivity and distance, and view everything in context.

This is why police officers investigate, but it is Crown Prosecutors (or DAs) who decide whether to lay charges, and ultimately a judge or a jury who decides what actually happened - particularly when it comes to assessing credibility.

Paul
 

Kandinsky

Curious Cat
I disagree completely. This is symptomatic of the cult of the field investigator, as I've begun to call it
You might have a valid point.

On the other hand, where does it leave anyone? Oberg is quick to dismiss pilot reports as unreliable based on a Hynek study. He suggests that pilots are less reliable as witnesses than the average Joe. By extension, his argument dictates that nobody is credible or reliable and therefore any witness testimony is flawed and dismissable.

You appear to write off researchers for having experience 'in the field' without offering an alternative. Should we give more attention to people without experience 'in the field?' Maybe there's a middle ground?

Who do you suggest should be the 'Crown Prosecutors?' Who should represent a jury with an acceptable criteria of 'credibility?'
 
P

Paul Kimball

Guest
You might have a valid point.

On the other hand, where does it leave anyone? Oberg is quick to dismiss pilot reports as unreliable based on a Hynek study. He suggests that pilots are less reliable as witnesses than the average Joe. By extension, his argument dictates that nobody is credible or reliable and therefore any witness testimony is flawed and dismissable.

You appear to write off researchers for having experience 'in the field' without offering an alternative. Should we give more attention to people without experience 'in the field?' Maybe there's a middle ground?

Who do you suggest should be the 'Crown Prosecutors?' Who should represent a jury with an acceptable criteria of 'credibility?'
Take the information they gather, and then assess it for yourself. We're all the jury, because that's the best that you can get for something like this, which is simply not going to attract the attention of mainstream science. But don't accord the "field researcher" some sort of special status - his or her opinion / interpretation is no more valid than anyone else... and I say that having done a fair bit of "field work."
 

Sean Elifritz

Administrator
Take the information they gather, and then assess it for yourself. We're all the jury, because that's the best that you can get for something like this, which is simply not going to attract the attention of mainstream science. But don't accord the "field researcher" some sort of special status - his or her opinion / interpretation is no more valid than anyone else... and I say that having done a fair bit of "field work."
This reminds me of something I got into with Chuck Zukowski, a MUFON Star team investigator and Stan Romanek supporter. A while back I responded to some blog he wrote about Romanek where I expressed my opinion that the man is an obvious charlatan. Instead of responding to me at the blog he emailed me directly demanding to know who I was. He had even looked into me online, mentioning posts I had made on technology forums. We argued back and forth a bit and once he was satisfied I was not someone highly placed in the UFO research community and hadn't investigated and talked to Romanek personally he deleted my post from his blog. His attitude throughout the thing was pretty clear: His opinion was golden because he was "in the field" while mine meant nothing because I merely read books and articles and such. He didn't make much of an attempt to debate the points I had put forward, decided instead that an "armchair researcher" isn't worth responding to and any of his/her opinions contrary to his own should be deleted. Needless to say I didn't come away from it a big fan of the guy.
 


Top