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[Richard Hawkins]

@Richard Hawkins I just realized - it is possible - probable - that no one will actually engage in political debate anymore because there are countries that have well and truly banned debate as 'hate speech' - not so? Germany is scary - night time raids on everyday citizens, confiscating laptops, arresting and jailing citizens for online expressions of opinion .... is that why everyone is so quiet? Of course it's Christmas Day after all reason enough to be elsewhere. But there is the oddity - since when has expressing a negative opinion about any religion been a jailable offense in the West?

So the party who controls Belfast city council also happen to be the majority party within the devolved government of Northern Ireland. So in effect they give themselves permission to do this.

 

[Tyger]

@Richard Hawkins Thank you for coming out to play with me.

Sharing this piece because it relates to Trump - I do not agree with the bad language (calling 'idiots') nor do I really have a grip on all the Zionist talk but valid points are being made, particularly this bit: "Trump is the one who told the world about Jeffrey Epstein, he had Epstein arrested, and he used clever tactics to force the release of the files. Without Trump literally nobody would even know about the existence of Jeffrey Epstein." Desperate to take out Trump in the 2026 election - hobble him, and in doing that impeach him (yet again).

"To all the idiots who keep saying that Trump is an agent of Israel: If you have eyes to see and a brain that works, then you observe that Israel is launching an unprecedented, worldwide smear campaign trying to drag Trump into the Epstein files. Manipulated photos of Trump with his daughter are used to accuse him of raping girls. Pictures where he stands with Epstein are deliberately misinterpreted. Social media in every country is exploding with these allegations.

"Israel, the Mossad, and the worldwide Zionist media is going all out, trying to turn the Epstein files around to tell humanity that it's basically all about Trump, and about Trump alone.

"Even the Wikipedia page about the Epstein files focuses entirely on Trump. Google and YouTube prioritize posts and videos that focus on Trump and all major news outlets, like PBS and others, do the same.

"None of them mentions that Trump is the one who told the world about Jeffrey Epstein, that he had Epstein arrested, and he used clever tactics to force the release of the files. Without Trump literally nobody would even know about the existence of Jeffrey Epstein.
But the Zionist cabal is raging around the world, from Europe to Asia, from America to Africa, in all mainstream and social media, about Trump and Epstein.

"They are deploying their full media arsenal to use Epstein to destroy Trump. And it's all lies and manipulations.

"Now, let me ask you, do you truly believe that Israel would go all the way to attack and destroy Trump if he was one of them?

"Can we please have some working brains in this space? Please?"

- David Sorenson

 

[Randall]

@Randall I'm asking for personal clarification and understanding: by 'here' you mean Canada? I am assuming that's the place you mean.

That interests me because down here in the US the tom-toms are beating out a less benign image of what is taking place in Canada. This is what I hear: Canada has gone full-on 'woke', as evidenced by the details of the MAID protocol, and by the speech controls (pronouns) in your universities as well as free speech in general increasingly facing government controls due to cultural shifts that may limit open debate and expression. Apparently there are laws targeting 'harmful' speech and rising censorship, particularly on sensitive topics - so it seems to me that Canada is basically going down the same path as the UK. That's what it seems. Would you agree or do I have it skewed? But if it is so, then why would you want to emigrate from the UK to Canada? isn't that frying pan into the fire?

Like in the USA, where some states are way more "woke" than others, Canada also has it's regional differences. I'm in Alberta where we're considered to be the "rednecks", and we have a Sovereignty Act that allows the Province to opt-out of federal programs and policies that we don't like. So although it's true that almost everyplace in the world seems to have its share of problems, Alberta Canada also has a lot going for it, plus a lot of room to grow.

Speaking personally, I feel very fortunate to have the USA as our southern neighbor, and I don't like the nationalist division that has been growing between us — fomented in no small part by politics on both sides of the border. I remember when we had unguarded borders and could just drive down to Montana. To me it was like we we one unified North American culture — before all the ethnic divisions driven mainly by mass immigration became a problem.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Like in the USA, where some states are way more "woke" than others, Canada also has it's regional differences. I'm in Alberta where we're considered to be the "rednecks", and we have a Sovereignty Act that allows the Province to opt-out of federal programs and policies that we don't like. So although it's true that almost everyplace in the world seems to have its share of problems, Alberta Canada also has a lot going for it, plus a lot of room to grow.

Speaking personally, I feel very fortunate to have the USA as our southern neighbor, and I don't like the nationalist division that has been growing between us — fomented in no small part by politics on both sides of the border. I remember when we had unguarded borders and could just drive down to Montana. To me it was like we we one unified North American culture — before all the ethnic divisions driven mainly by mass immigration became a problem.

Well good point and no one can complain that this subject hasn't got the forum hyper active again.Merry Christmas by the way.

 

[Tyger]

@Richard Hawkins Thank you for coming out to play with me.

Sharing this piece because it relates to Trump - I do not agree with the bad language (calling 'idiots') nor do I really have a grip on all the Zionist talk but valid points are being made, particularly this bit: "Trump is the one who told the world about Jeffrey Epstein, he had Epstein arrested, and he used clever tactics to force the release of the files. Without Trump literally nobody would even know about the existence of Jeffrey Epstein." Desperate to take out Trump in the 2026 election - hobble him, and in doing that impeach him (yet again).

"To all the idiots who keep saying that Trump is an agent of Israel: If you have eyes to see and a brain that works, then you observe that Israel is launching an unprecedented, worldwide smear campaign trying to drag Trump into the Epstein files. Manipulated photos of Trump with his daughter are used to accuse him of raping girls. Pictures where he stands with Epstein are deliberately misinterpreted. Social media in every country is exploding with these allegations.

"Israel, the Mossad, and the worldwide Zionist media is going all out, trying to turn the Epstein files around to tell humanity that it's basically all about Trump, and about Trump alone.

"Even the Wikipedia page about the Epstein files focuses entirely on Trump. Google and YouTube prioritize posts and videos that focus on Trump and all major news outlets, like PBS and others, do the same.

"None of them mentions that Trump is the one who told the world about Jeffrey Epstein, that he had Epstein arrested, and he used clever tactics to force the release of the files. Without Trump literally nobody would even know about the existence of Jeffrey Epstein.
But the Zionist cabal is raging around the world, from Europe to Asia, from America to Africa, in all mainstream and social media, about Trump and Epstein.

"They are deploying their full media arsenal to use Epstein to destroy Trump. And it's all lies and manipulations.

"Now, let me ask you, do you truly believe that Israel would go all the way to attack and destroy Trump if he was one of them?

"Can we please have some working brains in this space? Please?"

- David Sorenson

To @Richard Hawkins and all who may have read my post above -
I have two large caveats to this quote: firstly I do not approve of bad language (calling idiots), nor do I support his 'Zionist cabal' rhetoric.

Zionism in itself is a curious word being used in umpteen different ways by umpteen different people. I don't even know that I'd presume to accuse Mossad et al to be behind the anti-Trump trashing - what struck me (and what I think is worthy of note) is that there is a world-wide attempt (according to this poster) to trash Trump in with Epstein - that I am inclined to believe. It is important to know. Who's behind that trashing? Take your pick ...

Lastly, one just has to watch Trump's actions to know he is no one's puppet.

 

[Randall]

Not only I'm afraid Canada but also the UK and Ireland. And it gets stronger each day Our Jewish community in Northern Ireland (part of the UK). Had to suffer the indignity of having to observe a Palestinian flag being flown on orders of Belfast city council in support of Palestinians for a full 24 Hours.

I might not be the best person to talk to about that. I don't conflate Jewishness with the slaughter that the IDF is guilty of in Palestine — Gaza in particular. I'm also sympathetic to those Jewish people who oppose Zionist expansionism — who themselves have been branded traitors by the Israeli regime.

As for the flag thing — What was the real purpose? Could it have been to deepen and draw out further division so that the PTB could press harder on everyone's necks? Why else would they want to throw more gas on the fire? I can certainly understand being frustrated about that.

Last but not least, don't get me wrong either. I have no more desire to be governed by an Islamist theocracy than I do any other religion bent on domination through violence and oppression.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

I might not be the best person to talk to about that. I don't conflate Jewishness with the slaughter that the IDF is guilty of in Palestine — Gaza in particular. I'm also sympathetic to those Jewish people who oppose Zionist expansionism — who themselves have been branded traitors by the Israeli regime.

As for the flag thing — What was the real purpose? Could it have been to deepen and draw out further division so that the PTB could press harder on everyone's necks? Why else would they want to throw more gas on the fire? I can certainly understand being frustrated about that.

Last but not least, don't get me wrong either. I have no more desire to be governed by an Islamist theocracy than I do any other religion bent on domination through violence and oppression.

The purpose was to show support not only for the ordinary Palestinian but also for Hamas

 

[Randall]

The purpose was to show support not only for the ordinary Palestinian but also for Hamas

I'm sure that's the way they promoted it — but from outside that ketchup bottle, it looks like something that's bound to stir-up controversy and discontent — the old divide and conquer tactic. Keep fomenting division. I'm in neither the Jewish camp nor the Islamist camp, and it would tick me off too. It's like — please just quit the flag waving and take your ideologies someplace else.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

I'm sure that's the way they promoted it — but from outside that ketchup bottle, it looks like something that's bound to stir-up controversy and discontent — the old divide and conquer tactic. Keep fomenting division. I'm in neither the Jewish camp nor the Islamist camp, and it would tick me off too. It's like — please just quit the flag waving and take your ideologies someplace else.

Yes you could be correct and indeed I would be equally outraged if the Israeli flag was flown as none of these two flags represent my country.

 

[Tyger]

I might not be the best person to talk to about that. I don't conflate Jewishness with the slaughter that the IDF is guilty of in Palestine — Gaza in particular. I'm also sympathetic to those Jewish people who oppose Zionist expansionism — who themselves have been branded traitors by the Israeli regime.

@Randall Might you tell me why you believe the IDF is (in some particular unusual way) guilty of 'slaughter' in Gaza? The word 'slaughter' is highly suggestive of untoward number of deaths. Are you referencing the consequences of war, or do you mean genocide?

Keep in mind, Hamas just needed to return all the hostages 100% for the war to end at once. They always chose to keep the war going.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

@Randall Might you tell me why you believe the IDF is (in some particular unusual way) guilty of 'slaughter' in Gaza? The word 'slaughter' is highly suggestive of untoward number of deaths. Are you referencing the consequences of war, or do you mean genocide?

Keep in mind, Hamas just needed to return all the hostages 100% for the war to end at once. They always chose to keep the war going.

Yes it was always in Hamas hands to end this.

 

[Randall]

@Randall Might you tell me why you believe the IDF is (in some particular unusual way) guilty of 'slaughter' in Gaza? The word 'slaughter' is highly suggestive of untoward number of deaths. Are you referencing the consequences of war, or do you mean genocide?

This isn't the thread for the topic of Middle Eastern war, and even if it was, the few sentences I would state here are nothing compared to the massive amount of evidence given by the ICC, UN, and Humanitarian agencies on civilian casualties, including mothers and children.

Keep in mind, Hamas just needed to return all the hostages 100% for the war to end at once. They always chose to keep the war going.

That's not an excuse. To get started, let's ask a relatively biased AI to sum it up. According to Google AI . . .

Evidence for the allegation of genocide by Israel in Gaza has been presented to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) by South Africa and detailed in reports by a UN Commission of Inquiry and other human rights organizations. These bodies cite a pattern of conduct and specific statements by Israeli officials as evidence of "genocidal intent".

The evidence presented falls under the five criminal acts that can constitute genocide, as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

Genocidal Acts and Evidence

• Killing members of the group: Evidence includes the unprecedented numbers of Palestinians killed, including a high proportion of women and children, through extensive military operations and widespread attacks on civilian areas.
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm: This includes the high number of injuries, the "systematic destruction" of the healthcare system, the severe mistreatment and torture of Palestinian detainees, and sexual violence.
• Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction: Evidence points to the imposition of a total siege, blocking humanitarian aid, and using starvation as a weapon of war, leading to famine conditions. This has resulted in the deprivation of water, food, electricity, and medical supplies for the population.
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group: This evidence includes the systematic destruction of maternity facilities and an attack on Gaza's largest fertility clinic, which destroyed thousands of embryos.
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group: While not as frequently highlighted as other acts, forced displacement of the population is cited as a major contributing factor to creating conditions for destruction.

Evidence of Genocidal Intent

To prove genocide, specific "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" must be established. The following have been presented as evidence of this intent:

• Statements by Israeli officials: High-ranking officials, including the Prime Minister and former Defense Minister, made statements that have been described as dehumanizing and calling for vengeance and annihilation. Prime Minister Netanyahu's reference to the biblical command to "remember what Amalek has done to you" has been a key piece of cited evidence.
• Pattern of conduct: The UN Commission of Inquiry concluded that the nature and scale of Israeli operations and the resulting humanitarian crisis were such that genocidal intent was the "only reasonable inference" that could be drawn from the pattern of conduct.

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Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds

Human Rights Council — Sixtieth session
Legal analysis of the conduct of Israel in Gaza pursuant to
the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

If you get bored reading the PDFs and articles above — Try watching this interview with Russell Brand and Norman Finkelstein.

 

[Randall]

Yes it was always in Hamas hands to end this.

That's the Israeli sympathizer perspective — but watch the interview with Norman Frankenstein ( above ). He gives a different perspective. If you are skeptical, go dig further to see if it's for real. I did, and have since been red-pilled on the reality of the situation, including a history that goes way back before the creation of Hamas in 1987 — even before the creation of Israel itself.

Again — please don't interpret my perspective as some sort of political or religious sympathy for one side or the other. Personally, I'm non-religious, and non-partisan. If those two issues weren't in-play — there'd probably be no war. Then again, there's still old-fashioned greed.

More than 50,000 children reportedly killed or injured in the Gaza Strip​

“These children – lives that should never be reduced to numbers – are now part of a long, harrowing list of unimaginable horrors: the grave violations against children, the blockade of aid, the starvation, the constant forced displacement, and the destruction of hospitals, water systems, schools, and homes. In essence, the destruction of life itself in the Gaza Strip.

 

[Tyger]

@Randall Thank you for sharing why you think what you do. I get the picture.

I've been down this rabbit hole since the 1970s. Well acquainted with Finkelstein. In time you may see what's afoot.

 

[Randall]

@Randall Thank you for sharing why you think what you do. I get the picture.

I've been down this rabbit hole since the 1970s. Well acquainted with Finkelstein. In time you may see what's afoot.

You're welcome, and BTW there is no sneaky thing "afoot" that negates the evidence brought to light by Frankenstein, the ICC, UNICEF, other humanitarian agencies, historians, reporters, survivors and whistle-blowers. The world sees what's happening.

That's not to say that there aren't factions that have a hate-on for Israel and all us Western infidels either. So the blame shifting can go on and on — back and forth for another thousand years, until one side or the other is wiped out.

But I ask you this: Does being a winner or loser in a fight to the death between nations make either one right? Or does it just make one of them more efficient killers? With estimates of injured or dead children now estimated at over 60,000 — how do you justify that?

Over 60,000 children killed or maimed in Israel-Palestine conflict: UNICEF

Over 60,000 children killed or maimed in Israel-Palestine conflict: UNICEF-

english.news.cn

 

[Richard Hawkins]

You're welcome, and BTW there is no sneaky thing "afoot" that negates the evidence brought to light by Frankenstein, the ICC, UNICEF, other humanitarian agencies, historians, reporters, survivors and whistle-blowers. The world sees what's happening.

That's not to say that there aren't factions that have a hate-on for Israel and all us Western infidels either. So the blame shifting can go on and on — back and forth for another thousand years, until one side or the other is wiped out.

But I ask you this: Does being a winner or loser in a fight to the death between nations make either one right? Or does it just make one of them more efficient killers? With estimates of injured or dead children now estimated at over 60,000 — how do you justify that?

Over 60,000 children killed or maimed in Israel-Palestine conflict: UNICEF

Over 60,000 children killed or maimed in Israel-Palestine conflict: UNICEF-

english.news.cn

We have to disagree on this one Randall because people like Hamas and those who support them don't deserve a life. People who terrorise others for a political ideology are the lowest of humanity.

 

[Randall]

We have to disagree on this one Randall because people like Hamas and those who support them don't deserve a life.

At the risk of repeating myself yet again. None of what I'm saying means that I "support Hamas".

People who terrorise others . . .

As for "people like Hamas" who "terrorise others" — it seems that you missed the part where if the IDF is held to the same standards for terrorism as Hamas, then the IDF are actually more to blame.

. . . for a political ideology are the lowest of humanity.

Sure — just remember to include the far-right variations of Zionism that advocate for policies such as Jewish supremacy, and the expulsion or subjugation of Palestinians — by violence under the IDF and its Israeli leadership.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Not only did you dodge the question — ignoring that over 60,000 children are victims of the IDF, you missed the part that if the IDF is held to the same standards for terrorism as Hamas, then the IDF are also terrorists. The only difference is that the IDF is better at it, and have convinced more people in the West that it's okay for them to do it, but not Hamas.

Simply "disagreeing" with that is choosing to remain uninformed — unless of course you actually believe the far-right variations of Zionism that advocate for policies such as Jewish supremacy, territorial maximalism (a "Greater Israel"), and the expulsion or subjugation of Palestinians. If you're with that crowd, then sure — I have no argument that would make sense to you. You will always "disagree".

I am very informed which is why any action taken in Palestine would have to be after there was facilities and help for those ordinary Palestinians who wanted to leave. After that all responsibility of any children's death would be on the parents who chose to stay behind and support a terrorist state.
One other thing don't ever dare lecture me on morality because your own is questionable at times.
Here's my final words of wisdom on the matter. Man who sit on fence get splinters in arse although in your case I think you have probably a lot more than splinters stuck up your arse.

 

[Randall]

I am very informed which is why any action taken in Palestine would have to be after there was facilities and help for those ordinary Palestinians who wanted to leave. After that all responsibility of any children's death would be on the parents who chose to stay behind and support a terrorist state.
One other thing don't ever dare lecture me on morality because your own is questionable at times.
Here's my final words of wisdom on the matter. Man who sit on fence get splinters in arse although in your case I think you have probably a lot more than splinters stuck up your arse.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm somehow sitting on a fence, when I condemn the acts of violence regardless of which side of that fence they're on. A more apt analogy is that I'm not on a fence — I'm in another yard altogether.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

You seem to be under the impression that I'm somehow sitting on a fence, when I condemn the acts of violence regardless of which side of that fence they're on. A more apt analogy is that I'm not on a fence — I'm in another yard altogether.

Well time for me to move to another subject.