Some of you may be aware of a book that came out .. late 80's or very early 90's titled "The Ringmakers of Saturn" by Norman Bergrun. A somewhat dense book but oh so interesting. Now .. almost impossible to get but very expensive if you find a copy
Amazon.com: Ringmakers of Saturn (9780946270330): Norman R. Bergrun: Books, check your bank account, I do have a copy.
I interviewed this man, and btw he has a very interesting bio. I came across the interview today and thought I would post it here for all your information. Hope you learn something from it. This interview took place mid-90's.
The Ringmakers of Saturn
By Norman Bergrun
Interview by Don Ecker
Director of Research
UFO Magazine
Don Ecker (DFE): Your book, The Ringmakers of Saturn, was not an easy read, nor was it easy to find. But for someone like me, interested in the anomalies of
the solar system in relation to UFOs, it's an invaluable tool.
Norman Bergrun (NB): Correct. It's important to really take your time and go through it. If you're looking for entertainment, this is not the book to have.
DFE: During World War II, you were working for the huge American defence firm McDonnell Douglas.
NB: I started working there after college. Then I went up to Ames Lab at Moffitt Field, the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), which was the precursor to NASA. From there I went to Lockheed. I was a research scientist at Ames, flying around in clouds, doing icing research work. I've seen a lot of weather. I built an electromagnetic wind tunnel, which later led into the work I did on my book. At Lockheed I was responsible for flight-test analysis of the Polaris missile system.
DFE: The military was doing a lot of testing with missile systems back then, incorporating what they'd learned from the captured German V-2 rockets.
NB: On the Polaris project, we had a fellow named Willy Fiedler, who was a key designer of the missile. He worked on the V-2 during the war. Hitler visited Peenemunde on a Monday and wanted rockets hitting England by the following week, or else. Willy came up with a control system that had to be manually operated, so he ended up flying in one of those things.
DFE: A manned flight. He had gauges on board and was able to see all the forces at work, and from that he was able to come up with an automated system.
DFE: You're obviously well grounded in scientific principle and theory.
NB: I've had a pretty good workout.
DFE: Most mainstream scientists will not discuss the subject of UFOs in public, though privately they admit there's something to it. But they're worried about their careers and reputations.
NB: Correct. At Stanford, if you don't have tenure and you mention this subject, you're out.
DFE: Isn't that academic fascism?
NB: It sure is.
DFE: Isn't science supposedly to study the unexplained, not explain the unstudied?
NB: Philosophically, that's correct. But in real life, no. There's a party line out there, and they're not about to have it fractured.
DFE: Did you ever have an interest in the subject of UFOs, before you began researching the Voyager photographs?
NB: When I was at Lockheed, we had classified work to do. Behind closed doors, we used to look at and discuss a lot of different things, one of which was the possibility of UFOs. We kicked the subject around for quite a while and decided that it didn't seem possible, based on the physics we knew then. My book says there's now some different physics at work out there, something that's capable of immense power. That
wasn't a consideration back then.
I was once vacationing near Monterey Bay, California, in September 1971. Every day a US Navy helicopter would fly along the same route nearby. One day around noon, I saw a shimmering bright light in the same area. I thought it was another Navy helicopter travelling the usual route. But it seemed to hover at a distance and it took on motions that made me realize it was no helicopter. I grabbed some binoculars and a camera and got a good look at it. It was one of those cylindrical objects, and it performed for me.
I could see azure-blue flames at each end, which looked to me like an airplane's engine cowl; it was aerodynamically superb. Streamers came out lengthwise from this thing and joined together like a wishbone. The streamers were light yellow-green and tapered. They looked like what physicists call a 'pinched plasma'. There was a projection on one side that looked like a wing or a cross, with another streamer, something like a flame, surrounding an interior black
bar, ending in a rectangular device.
DFE: What was the duration of your sighting?
NB: Not more than a minute.
DFE: And your reaction to the whole experience?
NB: Very straightforward. I had been around rockets and knew how you manipulated forces to get them to work. It was obvious to me that this thing was a space ship. I was
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Amazon.com: Ringmakers of Saturn (9780946270330): Norman R. Bergrun: Books, check your bank account, I do have a copy.
I interviewed this man, and btw he has a very interesting bio. I came across the interview today and thought I would post it here for all your information. Hope you learn something from it. This interview took place mid-90's.
The Ringmakers of Saturn
By Norman Bergrun
Interview by Don Ecker
Director of Research
UFO Magazine
Don Ecker (DFE): Your book, The Ringmakers of Saturn, was not an easy read, nor was it easy to find. But for someone like me, interested in the anomalies of
the solar system in relation to UFOs, it's an invaluable tool.
Norman Bergrun (NB): Correct. It's important to really take your time and go through it. If you're looking for entertainment, this is not the book to have.
DFE: During World War II, you were working for the huge American defence firm McDonnell Douglas.
NB: I started working there after college. Then I went up to Ames Lab at Moffitt Field, the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), which was the precursor to NASA. From there I went to Lockheed. I was a research scientist at Ames, flying around in clouds, doing icing research work. I've seen a lot of weather. I built an electromagnetic wind tunnel, which later led into the work I did on my book. At Lockheed I was responsible for flight-test analysis of the Polaris missile system.
DFE: The military was doing a lot of testing with missile systems back then, incorporating what they'd learned from the captured German V-2 rockets.
NB: On the Polaris project, we had a fellow named Willy Fiedler, who was a key designer of the missile. He worked on the V-2 during the war. Hitler visited Peenemunde on a Monday and wanted rockets hitting England by the following week, or else. Willy came up with a control system that had to be manually operated, so he ended up flying in one of those things.
DFE: A manned flight. He had gauges on board and was able to see all the forces at work, and from that he was able to come up with an automated system.
DFE: You're obviously well grounded in scientific principle and theory.
NB: I've had a pretty good workout.
DFE: Most mainstream scientists will not discuss the subject of UFOs in public, though privately they admit there's something to it. But they're worried about their careers and reputations.
NB: Correct. At Stanford, if you don't have tenure and you mention this subject, you're out.
DFE: Isn't that academic fascism?
NB: It sure is.
DFE: Isn't science supposedly to study the unexplained, not explain the unstudied?
NB: Philosophically, that's correct. But in real life, no. There's a party line out there, and they're not about to have it fractured.
DFE: Did you ever have an interest in the subject of UFOs, before you began researching the Voyager photographs?
NB: When I was at Lockheed, we had classified work to do. Behind closed doors, we used to look at and discuss a lot of different things, one of which was the possibility of UFOs. We kicked the subject around for quite a while and decided that it didn't seem possible, based on the physics we knew then. My book says there's now some different physics at work out there, something that's capable of immense power. That
wasn't a consideration back then.
I was once vacationing near Monterey Bay, California, in September 1971. Every day a US Navy helicopter would fly along the same route nearby. One day around noon, I saw a shimmering bright light in the same area. I thought it was another Navy helicopter travelling the usual route. But it seemed to hover at a distance and it took on motions that made me realize it was no helicopter. I grabbed some binoculars and a camera and got a good look at it. It was one of those cylindrical objects, and it performed for me.
I could see azure-blue flames at each end, which looked to me like an airplane's engine cowl; it was aerodynamically superb. Streamers came out lengthwise from this thing and joined together like a wishbone. The streamers were light yellow-green and tapered. They looked like what physicists call a 'pinched plasma'. There was a projection on one side that looked like a wing or a cross, with another streamer, something like a flame, surrounding an interior black
bar, ending in a rectangular device.
DFE: What was the duration of your sighting?
NB: Not more than a minute.
DFE: And your reaction to the whole experience?
NB: Very straightforward. I had been around rockets and knew how you manipulated forces to get them to work. It was obvious to me that this thing was a space ship. I was
cont. next