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Phil Plait has an interesting post about climate change data from NASA if anyone is interested here:

Climate change: the evidence | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

And here's a direct link to NASA's site:

Climate Change: Evidence


I can understand opposition to the laws trying to alleviate climate change such as "cap and trade," but to flat out deny the evidence in order to support that opposition stuns me. Why can't politicians come up with solutions that are better instead of denying the evidence?
 
What is the solution to man-made global warming then? I keep hearing the hue and cry but nothing constructive or remotely rational as a solution.
 
What is the solution to man-made global warming then? I keep hearing the hue and cry but nothing constructive or remotely rational as a solution.

If I were qualified to answer that I would not be spending this moment on this forum answering this question :)

I'm not commenting on the solutions, I'm just commenting on the denial of evidence in order to oppose the proposed solutions.
 
Phil Plait has an interesting post about climate change data from NASA if anyone is interested here:

Climate change: the evidence | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

And here's a direct link to NASA's site:

Climate Change: Evidence


I can understand opposition to the laws trying to alleviate climate change such as "cap and trade," but to flat out deny the evidence in order to support that opposition stuns me. Why can't politicians come up with solutions that are better instead of denying the evidence?


LMAO!!! You send us to NASA for our climate information?!? wtf?
Do you know anything about their own cherry picking of climate data? NASA is discredited as a source for climate data. Period.

Listen... if human caused global warming, sea level rise, etc etc is real then WHERE are the plans to adapt? We and all life are here now because of adaption. Where are the plans for relocating people living in low lying areas? Where are the plans for sea walls around NYC, Florida, London,or the thousands of coastal cities? Where are the plans for limiting infrastructure in areas that will be flooded when the ice caps melt? Where are the plans to harness the bounty of increased food production from additional CO2 and fertile and newly unfrozen land in Canada, Russia, Siberia etc?

Only a fool would buy into the Chicken Little mentality that surrounds the bullshit called Global Warming.
 
LMAO!!! You send us to NASA for our climate information?!? wtf?
Do you know anything about their own cherry picking of climate data? NASA is discredited as a source for climate data. Period.

Listen... if human caused global warming, sea level rise, etc etc is real then WHERE are the plans to adapt? We and all life are here now because of adaption. Where are the plans for relocating people living in low lying areas? Where are the plans for sea walls around NYC, Florida, London,or the thousands of coastal cities? Where are the plans for limiting infrastructure in areas that will be flooded when the ice caps melt? Where are the plans to harness the bounty of increased food production from additional CO2 and fertile and newly unfrozen land in Canada, Russia, Siberia etc?

Only a fool would buy into the Chicken Little mentality that surrounds the bullshit called Global Warming.

You get so reactionary when this topic comes up. Adapting is fine, and no one is saying that the sky is falling. However, to deny that humans have had an effect on the climate, be it large or small is really denying a lot of evidence. You always seem to cry foul when good evidence is presented, saying that the source is flawed. However, you may ignore it if you wish, just don't be a jerk about it.
 
You get so reactionary when this topic comes up. Adapting is fine, and no one is saying that the sky is falling. However, to deny that humans have had an effect on the climate, be it large or small is really denying a lot of evidence. You always seem to cry foul when good evidence is presented, saying that the source is flawed. However, you may ignore it if you wish, just don't be a jerk about it.

I would love to just once see some evidence of the catastrophic global cooling/warming/climate change/climate disruption you speak of. No one seems to be able to come up with anything other than a link to the now discredited and nearly defunct Governmental body called the IPCC. Got any at all?

Can you address my question as to WHERE the plans are for adapting and benefitting from this theoretical global warming scenario? We are supposed to be in for a real threat but the only solution I have seen so far is called Carbon Trading.

I do not argue the climate changes... I do not argue that the earth warms and cools... it is supposed to do that.
 
I would love to just once see some evidence of the catastrophic global cooling/warming/climate change/climate disruption you speak of. No one seems to be able to come up with anything other than a link to the now discredited and nearly defunct Governmental body called the IPCC. Got any at all?

Can you address my question as to WHERE the plans are for adapting and benefitting from this theoretical global warming scenario? We are supposed to be in for a real threat but the only solution I have seen so far is called Carbon Trading.

I do not argue the climate changes... I do not argue that the earth warms and cools... it is supposed to do that.

Dude, relax.

Where did I mention catastrophic? You seem to be reading something else.

The just of the article is "The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years."

Does it say catastrophic? Nope. All it says that this change is "very likely" caused by humans. Can you please show me where this evidence presented by NASA has been discredited? That would be helpful.

Again, I am not saying, and neither is NASA, that the world is ending. The evidence does point to humans being at least partly responsible for climate change. For some reason you seem to think that I'm trying to be a global warming alarmist.


Thanks.
 
Dude, relax.

Where did I mention catastrophic? You seem to be reading something else.

The just of the article is "The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years."

Does it say catastrophic? Nope. All it says that this change is "very likely" caused by humans. Can you please show me where this evidence presented by NASA has been discredited? That would be helpful.

Again, I am not saying, and neither is NASA, that the world is ending. The evidence does point to humans being at least partly responsible for climate change. For some reason you seem to think that I'm trying to be a global warming alarmist.


Thanks.

Wait... Holdren our Chief Science Czar said 30 years ago that we were all going to die from.... oh yes... that was an ice age... but now he says we could all die from climate disruption.... so are we going to die or not? Is it going to be from cooling or warming? And... how much will this cost us?

So... then cephalopods, dinosaurs and cave men caused the warming trends in the past?
Do you really think you can conclude anything by going back a mere 1300 years? REALLY?


Hiding NASA Decline

April 2, 2010
Climate Change: The agency that put Americans on the moon can't tell you the temperature that day. It isn't returning to the moon, but it will fix the brakes on your car. Two senators want to know what's going on.

The scandal unfolding at the nation's space agency is worse than the climate scandal, where researchers with Britain's Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia manipulated, destroyed and doctored climate data so that it supported the preordained conclusion that climate change was an imminent threat caused by man.

If there is any doubt, just ask NASA.

E-mail messages obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request reveal that NASA concluded its own climate findings were inferior to the CRU analysis. In one e-mail from 2007, when a USA Today reporter asked if NASA's data "was more accurate," NASA's Dr. Reto Ruedy responded with an emphatic no.

"NASA's temperature data is worse than the Climate-gate temperature data. According to NASA," writes Christopher Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute who uncovered the e-mails. Indeed, NASA's record shows it fudged data and cherry-picked data sources.

Concerned about the validity of NASA's climate research data, Sens. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., and David Vitter, R-La., sent a letter to space agency chief Charles Bolden demanding answers and inviting Bolden to testify to the Senate on the credibility of NASA's data.

"The American people deserve to learn the truth about the data," Barrasso told FoxNews.com. "We shouldn't make decisions affecting millions of American jobs when the data isn't credible."
Particularly when NASA is admitting it isn't.

Barrasso and Vitter refer to a Feb. 27 study by former NASA physicist Edward Long. Long concluded that NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore's favorite scientist, Dr. James Hansen, had been modifying data, "lowering temperature values for far-back dates and raising those in the more recent past."

Meteorologist Anthony Watts, on his SurfaceStations.org, has documented the inaccuracy of weather station data used by NASA. Watts says that "90% of them don't meet (the government's) old, simple rule called the '100-foot rule' for keeping thermometers 100 feet or more from biasing influence."

As we've reported, many U.S. stations are in places such as paved driveways, near rooftop exhaust vents, even near idling jet engines.

The number of weather stations used to calculate average global temperatures has declined from about 6,000 in the 1970s to about 1,500 currently. The number of reporting stations in Canada dropped from 600 to 35.

The stations remaining tend to be in warmer, urbanized areas, distorting the climate picture. Data for unmonitored areas are simply extrapolated from other, often far away, stations.
NASA was caught with its thermometers down when Hansen breathlessly announced in 2007 that 1998 was the hottest year on record, with 2006 the third hottest. NASA and GISS were forced to correct their report in 2007 when ClimateAudit.com's Steve McIntyre questioned the underlying data.

NASA then announced that 1934, decades before the SUV, was in fact the warmest. The new numbers show that four of the country's 10 warmest years were in the 1930s: 1934, 1931, 1938 and 1939. Five of the hottest 10 occurred before World War II.

Hansen, who began the climate scare some two decades ago, was caught fudging the numbers again in declaring October 2008 the warmest on record. This was despite the fact the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month and ranked it as only the 70th warmest October in 114 years.

Meanwhile, NASA, where budget cuts have shelved plans to return to the moon, has announced it will help investigate Toyota's unintended acceleration problems.
If there's anything we should be applying the brakes on, it should be NASA's continued fudging of climate truth.
 
Pixel, posting stuff like that without indicating the original source always leads me to think that it's comes from a dubious source. I looked it up and here's the original:

Climate Change Dispatch - Hiding NASA Decline

Please post the original links so that we can see where the article is from.

This article is basically a logical fallacy trying to attack NASA itself without looking at the data that's supported by the scientific community.

Maybe you should try posting some useful articles from a respected organization, not a website that tries its best to discredit actual science. Unfortunately, if you did that you would not be able to support your view, which would force you to stop denying the data supporting the theory that humans have had an effect on global climate, be it big or small.
 
to deny that humans have had an effect on the climate, be it large or small is really denying a lot of evidence.

I totally totally agree with this. In my every day life, whether I am outside walking around or sitting by my open window to -try- and get some fresh air, cars and trucks and buses and cars and trucks and buses are belching vehicle exhaust into my lungs. If I was rich, I'd live in my own sprawling ranch-style home on more than six or so acres, to be away from all that suffocating poison. I WISH gasoline in the US would soar to such a height, as to FORCE this situation to change in a cleaner way.

Does anyone know where all that vehicle exhaust goes? I do not know the answer, but it must just not dissapate into non existence???
 
I totally totally agree with this. In my every day life, whether I am outside walking around or sitting by my open window to -try- and get some fresh air, cars and trucks and buses and cars and trucks and buses are belching vehicle exhaust into my lungs. If I was rich, I'd live in my own sprawling ranch-style home on more than six or so acres, to be away from all that suffocating poison. I WISH gasoline in the US would soar to such a height, as to FORCE this situation to change in a cleaner way.

Does anyone know where all that vehicle exhaust goes? I do not know the answer, but it must just not dissapate into non existence???

And so anything that spews noxious fumes should be eliminated? Where does all the volcano "exhaust" go? We really need a bunch of big ass volcano corks I guess. Maybe a volcano tax would help? Maybe the volcanos should pay into some sort of volcano carbon trading scheme...


This article is basically a logical fallacy trying to attack NASA itself without looking at the data that's supported by the scientific community.
You want more articles about NASA's involvement with the AGW scam? Do you really want to go there?

Maybe you should try posting some useful articles from a respected organization, not a website that tries its best to discredit actual science.
Can you please direct me to this respected organization? I doubt you can.

which would force you to stop denying the data supporting the theory that humans have had an effect on global climate, be it big or small.
Never said we didn't have an effect.

Please supply your supporting data with links as per your requirements.
 
We've got to face it. We've got to abandon the fruits of the Industrial Revolution and return to the trees. It's our only hope. I just burned my car in the parking lot, (Uh, was that counter-productive you think?) and I'm walking the 25 miles back to the house. By the time I get there it should be time to start my return journey. I know Obama will come up with a brilliant master plan similar to his health reform which will undoubtedly save us and the free world if only we'll just stop breathing so damn much.
 
Pixel, posting stuff like that without indicating the original source always leads me to think that it's comes from a dubious source. I looked it up and here's the original:

Climate Change Dispatch - Hiding NASA Decline

Please post the original links so that we can see where the article is from.

This article is basically a logical fallacy trying to attack NASA itself without looking at the data that's supported by the scientific community.

Maybe you should try posting some useful articles from a respected organization, not a website that tries its best to discredit actual science. Unfortunately, if you did that you would not be able to support your view, which would force you to stop denying the data supporting the theory that humans have had an effect on global climate, be it big or small.


Angel? where are those links? You demand links so please return the courtesy. We need a link to the data supported by the scientific community.
 
Angel? where are those links? You demand links so please return the courtesy. We need a link to the data supported by the scientific community.

Pixel, any link I provide, you will say it's a biased source bought out by the NWO - but here one with other citations.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686?paged=78


Also, a recent scholarly article showing the disparity in knowledge of those opposed to ACC when compare to those that agree with the consensus:

Expert credibility in climate change — PNAS





Please take a look at those.

PS: I hope they work for you. I'm in a University, so I have no trouble linking to scholarly peer reviewed articles. I know that sometimes they don't work outside of these walls.
 
Pixel, any link I provide, you will say it's a biased source bought out by the NWO - but here one with other citations.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686?paged=78


Also, a recent scholarly article showing the disparity in knowledge of those opposed to ACC when compare to those that agree with the consensus:

Expert credibility in climate change — PNAS





Please take a look at those.

LOL... you are correct! Both links are bullshit. Here is a big clue for you... if the word consensus or the name Stephen H. Schneider is involved, it is bullshit.
 
LOL... you are correct! Both links are bullshit. Here is a big clue for you... if the word consensus or the name Stephen H. Schneider is involved, it is bullshit.

It's no big deal Pixel, you have a big personality and you know that you're right and the rest of us are fools. Well at least those that don't agree with what you know. I'm glad you took the time to read through the links. I'll do the same if you post anything that links to a peer reviewed journal and not an opinion piece from Infowars or whatever conspiracy site you pull your articles from.
 
here is some more consensus for you. LMAO! I would say they did a 180 in just a few years.

Webcentre Ltd

Science: Another Ice Age? - TIME

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scholarly peer reviewed articles.

dude, the AGW CRU scientists pissed in the peer review process.... have you never read their emails where they brag about this?!?!?!
 
here is some more consensus for you. LMAO! I would say they did a 180 in just a few years.

Webcentre Ltd

Science: Another Ice Age? - TIME

Yes, thank you, an article from 1974. Very helpful. You do realize that science changes and formulates new theories as it advances, right? That's what differentiates it from religion.

You still haven't provided an article from this century that's from a peer reviewed scientific journal.
 
It's no big deal Pixel, you have a big personality and you know that you're right and the rest of us are fools. Well at least those that don't agree with what you know. I'm glad you took the time to read through the links. I'll do the same if you post anything that links to a peer reviewed journal and not an opinion piece from Infowars or whatever conspiracy site you pull your articles from.

you said it, not me... you are a fool.

do not agree with me, do your own 10 year span of research and you will understand.

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I have provided plenty of articles in past threads. just look for locked threads. the past forum nazis couldnt handle the truth.
 
you said it, not me... you are a fool.

do not agree with me, do your own 10 year span of research and you will understand.

I'm glad you're there doing the research for us.

Arguing with you is always interesting because you basically fall back to "everything that goes against me is a lie," kinda like a creationist, a moon hoax nut job, or a birther moron.

Ultimately what you think changes nothing, and I'm sure you think the same way about what I think. I prefer to go with the evidence, and in your mind, you do as well.

Hopefully in those ten years of research you found something more compelling than a 10 year old Time article.

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you said it, not me... you are a fool.

do not agree with me, do your own 10 year span of research and you will understand.

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I have provided plenty of articles in past threads. just look for locked threads. the past forum nazis couldnt handle the truth.

Well, I'm not going to be locking this thread - post to you hearts content.
 
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