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The "Politics of Global Warming" is far simpler than the previous 20 pages would indicate...

Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So... what is the goal of environmental policy?

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.
 
It is refreshing that the anthropogenic global warming scam has been exposed as a socialist transfer of wealth and it is dying rapidly. Hopefully the true environmentalists can recapture their hijacked movement and real scientists can bring back science based on the scientific method and destroy the faith based pseudo science that this thread promoted. It amazes me that so many people fell for it. People can look back on this thread as a lesson on how easily the well meaning progressive liberals and socialists can be socially manipulated.
 
Do you have the source of that speech from Edenhofer?

Does he go into any more detail about the wealth distribution claim? I assume the conspiracy is that manufacturing and heavy industry will be stunted in the West allowing the third world to catch up? But I am very sceptical of this theory for a number of reasons.
 
Tomorrow morning the catastrophic warming of the planet will cause it to be -25F here in my neck of the woods.


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On the flip side.

High-quality data
Far from being a fudge to make warming look more severe than it is, most of the Bureau’s data manipulation has in fact had the effect of reducing the apparent extreme temperature trends across Australia. Cherrypicking weather stations where data have been corrected in a warming direction doesn’t mean the overall picture is wrong.

Data homogenisation is not aimed at producing a predetermined outcome, but rather is an essential process in improving weather data by spotting where temperature records need to be corrected, in either direction. If the Bureau didn’t do it, then we and our fellow climatologists wouldn’t use its data because it would be misleading. What we need are data from which spurious warming or cooling trends have been removed, so that we can see the actual trends.

Marshalling all of the data from the Bureau’s weather stations can be a complicated process, which is why it has been subjected to international peer-review. The Bureau has provided the details of how it is done,
This process has been the basis of all scientific advances in the past couple of centuries and has led to profoundly important advances in knowledge. Abandoning peer-reviewed journals in favour of newspaper articles when adjudicating on scientific methods would be profoundly misguided.

No, the Bureau of Meteorology is not fiddling its weather data

Climate sceptics see a conspiracy in Australia's record breaking heat | Graham Readfearn
 
Tyger said:
Very long, intriguing article -

The Pentagon & Climate Change: How Deniers Put National Security at Risk: The leaders of our armed forces know what's coming next – but deniers in Congress are ignoring the warnings
By Jeff Goodell February 12, 2015
LINK: The Pentagon and Climate Change: Is National Security at Risk? | Rolling Stone
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@Burnt State On November 1st you 'liked' this post - from ten years ago. Wow - the passing of time. My politics has gone through a 180' turn, especially on Climate Change. What startles me is how loooonnnng my posts were 10 years ago. Unlikely I'll ever post at such length ever again. The vitality of relative 'youth' has given way to old age sobriety. ;) Ha!
 
Tyger said:
@Burnt State On November 1st you 'liked' this post - from ten years ago. Wow - the passing of time. My politics has gone through a 180' turn, especially on Climate Change. What startles me is how loooonnnng my posts were 10 years ago. Unlikely I'll ever post at such length ever again. The vitality of relative 'youth' has given way to old age sobriety. ;) Ha!
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So what is senior sobriety telling you? On my end I spend my time growing my own food at a community garden and am expecting to watch the beginning of the end of humanity before I die. I feel bad for the world my children will inherit. I remain amazed at how stupid the blind masses are who voted for hatred and shot themselves in the foot. We reap what we sow. I look forward to a future biological earth devoid of humanity.

My current theory is that intelligence may be a bad thing if it's going to be used to make technology.
 
I remember when this article originally came out and I was impressed that the military were being open about the dangers of climate change. It's an unfortunate part of our world where corporate interests are taking precedent over dangerous reality. There are certain companies who make their money off of products that are catastrophically polluting our environment. They know it, scientists know it, and the politicians know it. But, money and corruption is the controlling part of capitalist society and politicians are more than willing to sacrifice the lives of future generations for that immediate monetary gain in the form of bribery and kickbacks. Why do you think that the current resident in the White House is so fond of talking about the "dangers" and "inefficiencies" of renewable energies? Could it be that he is in the pockets of corporations that see their future wealth potential being whittled away by solar, wind and other sources of clean energy? I will let you decide for yourself.
 
Burnt State said:
So what is senior sobriety telling you? On my end I spend my time growing my own food at a community garden and am expecting to watch the beginning of the end of humanity before I die. I feel bad for the world my children will inherit. I remain amazed at how stupid the blind masses are who voted for hatred and shot themselves in the foot. We reap what we sow. I look forward to a future biological earth devoid of humanity.

My current theory is that intelligence may be a bad thing if it's going to be used to make technology.
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I think what I meant is that 10 years ago I was under the genuine illusion that real discussion was taking place and shared information would be seriously read and would inform responses. Never happened, I don't think. TLDR being a valid reason. I'm in that mode more than ever. Succinct is my preference, without quotes, just referrals back.

But the reality is I learned a lot from posting on this forum - especially re ufology, but especially about how the human mind is wont to work. My own, others. I along with everyone else that finds their way here would love for aliens and flying saucers to be a real thing. It's the romantic in me (to quote Casablanca). But if I've learned anything - it's dollars to donuts - very unlikely (because the way we are assuming such things might exist does not comport with the actual nature of the universe - thats a discussion for another day). I sit and watch as one dubious 'whistleblower' after another comes forward regaling another eager generation with stories from years ago ('I saw this', 'I saw that', when 'I was a this or that' 10 years ago - or 'so-and-so told me'). Some are more believable than others but under the skin they are all bogus. The best I saw in recent years were the Air Force pilots submitting videos of the tic-tacs. Outstanding presentation, but Good lord, so obviously a psyops. There were red flags all over that one - but it was so well done. 'They' are getting so sophisticated with this stuff - seamless like those 'seamless' flying machines we are wont to eagerly drool over. ;)

I am far from as dystopian as you. Might this have to do with location - you're in Canada, not so? I love humanity, love the earth, love our story. We are in WW3 but it's unlike anything we anticipated. We're too focused on dragging forward the past to inform our future, in a sense. There's really exciting stuff afoot, but it's coming alongside a problematic intellectual war, a societal readjustment - all enflamed by the digital world. But it's going to be okay - that I know, albeit we have tons to get straightened out. That's what's exciting.
 
Tyger said:
I think what I meant is that 10 years ago I was under the genuine illusion that real discussion was taking place and shared information would be seriously read and would inform responses. Never happened, I don't think. TLDR being a valid reason. I'm in that mode more than ever. Succinct is my preference, without quotes, just referrals back.

But the reality is I learned a lot from posting on this forum - especially re ufology, but especially about how the human mind is wont to work. My own, others. I along with everyone else that finds their way here would love for aliens and flying saucers to be a real thing. It's the romantic in me (to quote Casablanca). But if I've learned anything - it's dollars to donuts - very unlikely (because the way we are assuming such things might exist does not comport with the actual nature of the universe - thats a discussion for another day). I sit and watch as one dubious 'whistleblower' after another comes forward regaling another eager generation with stories from years ago ('I saw this', 'I saw that', when 'I was a this or that' 10 years ago - or 'so-and-so told me'). Some are more believable than others but under the skin they are all bogus. The best I saw in recent years were the Air Force pilots submitting videos of the tic-tacs. Outstanding presentation, but Good lord, so obviously a psyops. There were red flags all over that one - but it was so well done. 'They' are getting so sophisticated with this stuff - seamless like those 'seamless' flying machines we are wont to eagerly drool over. ;)

I am far from as dystopian as you. Might this have to do with location - you're in Canada, not so? I love humanity, love the earth, love our story. We are in WW3 but it's unlike anything we anticipated. We're too focused on dragging forward the past to inform our future, in a sense. There's really exciting stuff afoot, but it's coming alongside a problematic intellectual war, a societal readjustment - all enflamed by the digital world. But it's going to be okay - that I know, albeit we have tons to get straightened out. That's what's exciting.
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Thanks, tyger for giving me some good laughs re: American military UFO disclosure/whistleblowers. I think you've got that nailed down.

The only progress made in the field I think has been a more open intellectual discussion happening mostly in California regarding how we talk about it. I think the discussion has diversified, become more witness centric, has engaged philosophers, anthropologists and scientists across disciplines. This is good. It really is an interdisciplinary phenomenon.

If I appear dystopian it's because I read too much Orwell when I was young, and I live above America watching "2+2=5", along with, "some pigs are better than others", unfold in real time.

I also feel that the stuff they call food in grocery stores is pretty tasteless and bogus. In that way, yes, there are many exciting developments taking place! Long live the new homesteader and people who make planting trees a religion.

However, I don't think any of the good movements are going to stop a history of oil and coal burning, chainsaws and cows. Climate change is about a lot of different things that threaten a lot of biological life forms on this planet, and the downward march is on. I think the second Blade Runner and Soylent Green are movies that accurately depict our times and where we are going.

Who was the environmental commentator that said, "where cities go, deserts follow", as that's where we are at?!
 
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