October 23, 2011 — A.J. Gevaerd

[trainedobserver]

Good show. I was impressed with how you guys pressed him, especially about the crop circle nonsense.

I was really disappointed to hear him go on about crop circles based on really nothing at all. Crop circles are tremendous waste of time for everyone involved. It's yard art.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Agree with trainedobserver on the crop circles are overrated instead the intrusion on Brazilian Military Bases by UFOs is serous and wonder if A.J. Gevaerd witness have reported EMPs at the same time the sightings occur? Also more research on the USO is need and wonder if there is any organization that monitors USO sightings in cargo shipping lanes around the Globe?

 

[dyingsun]

Well, A sane guest (mostly)! Good show, we can only look in from the outside here anyways, or is anyone that familiar with South America sightings ? Which reminds me, Scott Corrales might be a good guest as well.

 

[Apocalypto]

Good show. A.J. Gevaerd is always an interesting fellow to talk to. He seems to be well hooked-up in South America. I've always said (here and elsewhere) that it's good to keep an eye on what's happening outside of North America (and the U.K.) It is a round planet, after all.

One of the things that struck me during this show, when listening to the banter about the Colares UFO flap, was how strategic it seems to have been for the visitors to go there, a remote village in northern Brazil. It's way up in the middle of nowhere, so it makes sense if you want to be discreet whilst scanning the locals, doesn't it?

The crop circle thing is a bit ho-hum to me now. I used to think there was definitely something there, but recently I've become quite a skeptic as to there being anything really mysterious about them. As long as people can prove that they themselves can make really great circles, I'll remain a skeptic.

As for the The Varginha incident, I also came to a certain realization. That is a good case, but the thing that strikes me is this: Although I've been very interested in that case since it was first divulged in 96, there was always something that struck me negatively about it. I just couldn't put my finger on it, but I have now

It is simple. Since the incident occurred in a non-English country (and non-French, I speak French) I have been subconsciously frustrated about it, not being able to dig deeper into the witness reports and the written documentation. Whatever we have is translated. It's a valiant effort, but you get nothing as deep as you would for, say, the Betty and Barney Hill abduction, or the Phoenix Lights, or (dare I say it) Roswell, in terms of detail. Maybe it's a smaller issue that I'm making it out to be, but then again maybe not.

Investigators like A.J. Gevaerd always bring this to the forefront for me, and I always want to learn more and understand more of the cases and details from other countries. Japan is another example. I have heard there are all kinds of great investigators in Japan. But there's a translation problem right there. Wow. When is the last time you heard a clear and lucid Japanese UFO investigator talking about a big case in Japan?

Food for thought, but it doesn't hurt to try to work closer with investigators from other countries around the world. Thanks again for the show.

 

[Cabal]

Agreed with the others. Good show. Scratched my head at AJ's take on the crop circles. I'm sure the world is full of stories that don't screen thru those countries' own media-industrial-complex. Here we have some that do - where is MUFON on this kind of thing? I mean you can hire translators on elance for pennies per page? Shows how lacking that organization continues to be. I think it will be up to podcasts and alternative media to translate this kind of content and put it out as product.

 

[Bob Watson]

Im also impressed by the show im glad SOMEONE PUTS ppl LIKE AJ on the capret when it comes to outragios claims! Keep up the good work!

 

[Jabbermocky]

I kinda take back a little of what I said in a previous thread -- regarding Gene and Chris not pressing more mainstream paranormal experts compared to Mr. Kaplan (good thread). I think that Gene's points on why crop circles appearing only recently being more indicative of man-made over alien-made; was swept aside by AJ a few times, but Gene pressed on. It still didn't seem to phase AJ or make him come up with a plausible answer to Gene's question --just the usual 'in my opinion it does (have alien origins) because it is MY opinion that it does' type answers. That aside, an engaging guest. I couldn't help think to myself that AJ's English was so good (it really was), that he really has no excuse for not publishing an English-Language version of his magazine. With new technology he could record his voice as he translated articles and dictate them straight to the publishers (just a little editing involved -- he said).

 

[jpw.in.wi]

Speaking of crop circles, have there ever been cases of something like "snow circles" where there's a large impression in the snow with no tracks leading up to it or other signs of hoaxing? In the winter, of course I can see the footsteps of every little critter that wonders through my yard until the next snowfall covers them. Just wondering if saucers and/or their occupants ever left similar tracks. Thanks!

 

[Terjarv]

Good show and I did not disagree with most of what the guest had to say. He seemed well-grounded for the most part. However, I agree with all here about the crop circle nonsense as it was a bit disturbing how he definitively linked crop circles to UFOS. He also seemed to dodge questions about the evidence for the 1000 attacks that occurred in the Amazon. "The records didn't stand the test of time". Hmmm....well isn't that convenient.

 

[trainedobserver]

Speaking of crop circles, have there ever been cases of something like "snow circles" where there's a large impression in the snow with no tracks leading up to it or other signs of hoaxing?...

There was a snow circle thread over at ATS a couple of years ago with some dubious photos.

While it is entirely possible that something could land and leave a circular impression in the snow, crops, or grass (aka saucer nests), I do not think there is any reason to believe complex crop or snow circles (if there really are any) are communication attempts by non-human beings. It is just patently absurd from any number of angles. To believe that complex Crop Circles are alien in origin requires some degree of naivete that is alarming to see in someone like A.J.G.

I have spent way too much time looking into the whole crop circle phenomena over several years. It is my opinion that there is actually no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that complex crop circles are anything but man made art. Crop circle researchers like Collin Andrews and Terje Toftenes have also reached this conclusion recently. I think we should all stand up and applaud them now. (thunderous applause) I sincerely believe many other researchers have come to this conclusion as well and the whole Crop Circle Research cottage industry is in danger of being exposed for the delusional and deceptive business that it is.

I've mentioned this here before I think but Crop Circles have become a sort of litmus test for me. If someone is making claims that Crop Circles cannot be made by human beings I immediately have to question how closely they have looked into the subject. If they appear to have actually done some work in the area, say like L.M.H. and still claim that complex Crop Circles are not a product of human activity I seriously doubt their veracity and reliability. It hasn't failed me yet. This is why my heart sank when A.J. began talking about them.

 

[wwkirk]

Regarding the crop circles, on the plus side was the observation of lights in the sky, sometimes descending prior to the crop circles. On the negative side was the fact that they took place in the same town. This suggests they were the work of local residents. Also on the negative side was the failure to have any scientific testing done on the trace material.

With respect to translating the Brazilian magazines, it doesn't necessarily have to be initiated by them. It just requires their permission, which they might give. All it takes is one or more persons who know both Portuguese and English with the willingness to do the translations.