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Nick Pope and John Burroughs, May 25, 2014

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Fantastic show ! I had misread the pre-interview description of it, thinking the interview was of Nick Pope only. What a dumb mistake on my part, since the bill clearly lists the guests. :oops: So, many of my questions re health issues were addressed by Burroughs at the outset.

At any rate--This is a winner and Rendlesham will always be a mainstay in UFOlogy .
 
Just finished listening to the show and have to concur with the last few posts. You guys are on a roll. I hope the best for Burroughs' lawsuit but I have a feeling it will drag on interminably due to whatever legal foot dragging the VA's lawyers can bog the case down with.
 
Not agreed. You have a witness from such a big event in ufo history , who says he even touched the craft. And what do you folks talk about ? Medical files . Whas it too difficult to let him explain step by step what he experienced that day ?
 
I believe Sgt. Penniston touched the craft. In a recent interview, He seemed somewhat angry that burroughs claims he doesnt remember their episode. I would like to see someone follow up on that.
 
I'm only a third of the way into the show, but was most fascinated by Pope reading an excerpt from the document regarding non-ionizing em effects on humans where he reads, "it's clear that the recepients of these effects are not aware that their behaviour/perception of what they are observing is being modified." I sure would like to read more from this document and get more context - anyone got a link?

Here we have no idea as to the source of the radiation, though the document appears to suggest that a UAP is the source, and that individuals at Rendlehsam were exposed to radiation for a substantial period of time. But what I am also very intrigued by is the statement that says witness behaviour and perceptions are being modified. That certainly helps to explain the conflicting witness testimony with this case.

The further suggestion that the UAP itself (little blue lights) is the intelligence, and that the notions of 'craft' or 'occupant' may simply be supplied by cultural frontloading is quite interesting. This returns us back to Hynek's final contentions regarding "earth elementals" and makes more room for the ultraterrestrial co-inhabitant. At the very least it stretches our own considerations of what is living, intelligent and occasionally making dangerous, sensational contact with us. It reminds me of all our previous futile attempts to try and teach dolphins to talk while messing with their usual life processes.
 
Historically, much of the evidence we are left with re this phenomenon is in the form of the witnesses themselves.

The question I wish I had asked: Given the fact that all American security police were mandated to disarm on British soil, what was the point of them being sent into the forest in the first place? Without weapons, what function could they have served in protecting the base ?

So many questions left unanswered and we need to have those involved in Rendlesham back for a future show !
 
boomerang said:
Historically, much of the evidence we are left with re this phenomenon is in the form of the witnesses themselves.

The question I wish I had asked: Given the fact that all American security police were mandated to disarm on British soil, what was the point of them being sent into the forest in the first place? Without weapons, what function could they have served in protecting the base ?
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One possible purpose is that as unarmed men they make for great experimental subjects. Their behaviours and perceptions can be manipulated and no one's going to start shooting friendlies.
 
According to Peter Robbins, John jumped on the craft and rode it for ten metres or so before jumping off. Heard no mention of this during the interview. Seems like the accounts of what happened are different according to who you ask.

 
it seems that those difference are due to brain manipulation. so whether they experienced an irregular life form, that's made of light and messes with our perception and memory (which UFO lore is filled with), or they were experimented on by human agents and had their perceptions and memories messed with (as Vallee postulated regarding this case and others).

as always, trying to grab onto these mysteries is like trying to grab onto a chunk of water.

but i do think we should make better allowances for how we think about witness malleability of close range sightings and contact events, as we've long talked about why our consciousness is messed up by such affairs. Project Condign seems to suggest some real answers, beyond just a very excited brain; we are also seeing evidence of a manipulated brain.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pdf/projectcondign.pdf
 
Burnt State said:
I'm only a third of the way into the show, but was most fascinated by Pope reading an excerpt from the document regarding non-ionizing em effects on humans where he reads, "it's clear that the recepients of these effects are not aware that their behaviour/perception of what they are observing is being modified." I sure would like to read more from this document and get more context - anyone got a link?..
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Yea, that was interesting. I looked up Project Condign on WIKI, I will also check out the link you gave Burnt State. (Project Condign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quoting from WIKI:
"The report concluded that UFOs had an observable presence that was 'indisputable', but also that they did not represent crafts under intelligent control."

"This phenomenon is referred to in the report as 'Buoyant Plasma Formation,' akin to Ball Lightning"

"The electromagnetic fields generated by plasma phenomena are also hypothesized to explain reports of close encounters due to inducing perceptual alterations or hallucinations in those affected."

Pope's quote makes it sound like there is an active (intelligent) agent "modifying" the perception, while the WIKI writer simply reports that the perception is affected at random, because of the electro-magnetic effect.

Overall I thought the interview was interesting, but the stories seem to vary a bit. It seems that Pope and Burroughs downplayed the differences between them and Penniston, my impression from previous interviews is that some in the group of witnesses have had some falling outs?
The Penniston story about the binary code sounded uncredible, and it sounded like Pope/Burroughs were not convinced either. The pointless coordinates to various locations with supposed special attributes could basically have been taken directly from the New Age/Contactee Bible, designed to play at all the mystical myths. In any case, I'd be very surprised if that code didn't originate in a human mind aware of UFO lore..

Fascinating interview, but I'm not sure if much can be concluded from it, except that there are some similarities to the Cash-Landrum case with regards to the very unfortunate radiation poisoning that seems to have happened.

I wasn't aware of the 'lost time' thing, in fact, the story seems to get more and more expansive every time I hear it, which I'm not sure what to make of.
 
The last four weeks have been the best in a long time. You guys havebrally hit a golden patch.

Keep it going fellas.


Oh, and do a UFO Watchdog: hall of fame/hall of shame episode. Please.
 
Jimi H. said:
Quoting from WIKI:
"The report concluded that UFOs had an observable presence that was 'indisputable', but also that they did not represent crafts under intelligent control."

"This phenomenon is referred to in the report as 'Buoyant Plasma Formation,' akin to Ball Lightning"

"The electromagnetic fields generated by plasma phenomena are also hypothesized to explain reports of close encounters due to inducing perceptual alterations or hallucinations in those affected."
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Fascinating interview, but I'm not sure if much can be concluded from it, except that there are some similarities to the Cash-Landrum case with regards to the very unfortunate radiation poisoning that seems to have happened.

I wasn't aware of the 'lost time' thing, in fact, the story seems to get more and more expansive every time I hear it, which I'm not sure what to make of.
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Intelligent control is always the dividing line, as anyone admitting to that is admitting to what is unacceptable in our current social paradigm. What power knows, or is consulted on, still remains outside the walls for most of us peons. FOIA requests are like wallpaper in bookstores spawning book after book of researchers scratching at the walls of reality.

Still, I think that many close encounters and close sightings are most likely the result of folks coming into contact with unfamiliar & brainless energy forms. But these can not account for the many other more credible sightings of discs, crafts, metallic objects and flying hotels as Chris Rutkowski reminded us. But with those up close and surreal cases - well, I think there's room for talk about humans hallucinating in response to EM fields.

It was Burroughs who called the lights intelligent - that's his perception and Pope is running with that, as that's his focus. He even alluded to something more than coincidence at work between this and the other radiation case Cash-Landrum. It may give one cause for pause, but for me one of the problems regarding conclusions about paranormality is that a lot of disconnected and disparate dots are often connected together and called a straight line.

I agree completely with the expansiveness of the case. Look at Roswell and it's variety of interpretations from Moseley's coloured tape to the old standby - nazis. Is this not how all our big mysteries become larger narratives that are modified over time by many tellers? Before you know it you're reading fairy tales, the bible, or UFO myths to your kids for bedtime stories. It's how it goes.
 
Loved the show - and thanks for asking my question up front! I'm glad it got the conversation going.

I'm really impressed with the quality of interviews you've had recently. Keep it up, please!
 
It is the most interesting UFO case I have ever read about, and the books on this case are all THICK.
Left at East Gate. Was my intro
You Can't Tell the People. Was the meat n taters.
Rendalsham... Is the capstone.

Read em before you leap. Many paracraps fail to do any research.
 
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