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Irishseekers said:
Bush and everyone else saw a plane hit the second tower. Bush siad he saw the first plane. Interesting. Does it confirm a conspiracy.No. Bush mix's thinks up all the time. look at his presidency for god sake. When, has there been a president like him? have you heard some of his speeches? go back and listen and ask yourself those this man sound sane.
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:) Which probably lets Bush off the hook as an architect of conspiracy . . . :D
 
Good documentary , very thorough.
But I don't think most people will admit to themselves that there are only two possibilities.
Either:
1. all the witnesses were confused or lying or
2. The knocked over poles were staged and by extension the explosion was staged.
 
The Hawk said:
Good documentary , very thorough.
But I don't think most people will admit to themselves that there are only two possibilities.
Either:
1. all the witnesses were confused or lying or
2. The knocked over poles were staged and by extension the explosion was staged.
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what is so hard to believe that a 757 folded its wings, tail section and 2- 9 ton titanium engines up and squeezed into a 16 foot hole?
 
pixelsmith said:
seriously... how do you fit a 757 and its engines into a 16 foot hole?
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The energy from the impact was tremendous. You're not looking at a 757, you're looking at a 7000 gallons of exploding jet fuel igniting a cylinder of twisted titanium alloys (fuselage) that penetrated the tower. The other 5000 gallons were in the wings which detached and exploded outside of the tower.

The only way to stop a titanium fire.... is to pour sand on it ! (sadly the beach was pretty far away)
 
pixelsmith said:
seriously... how do you fit a 757 and its engines into a 16 foot hole?
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:o Sorry - I couldn't help but being facetious - I personally think that an airplane that big & flying that fast would cause a heck of a lot more damage - & certainly a larger hole . . . That's why I think it would be good to compare the damage to the Empire State Building when it was struck on July 28, 1945, by a B-25 -


http://www.elevator-world.com/magazine/archive01/9603-002.htm


- to the damage that the Pentagon suffered. In the article it said that "one plane motor went right through the bottom of the car equipment, hitting one of our guide rails (3-1/2 x 5"), doubling it in a 'V' shape. The motor then went through the building, tore a hole 20 feet wide, took the windows and wall down with it (78 floors) and landed in a building across the 33rd Street side . . ." That was a B-25 - the plane that hit the Pentagon was a larger craft, with more powerful engines . . . :)
 
Ezechiel said:
The energy from the impact was tremendous. You're not looking at a 757, you're looking at a 7000 gallons of exploding jet fuel igniting a cylinder of twisted titanium alloys (fuselage) that penetrated the tower. The other 5000 gallons were in the wings which detached and exploded outside of the tower.

The only way to stop a titanium fire.... is to pour sand on it ! (sadly the beach was pretty far away)
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Is this some intentional attempt at misdirection?? Pixelsmith raises a valid issue in regard to the assault on the Pentagon and Exechiel replies with comments that seem to apply to WTC1 and WTC2.

The question remains, How do you explain the disappearance of the engines at the Pentagon?
 
Aardvark said:
Is this some intentional attempt at misdirection?? Pixelsmith raises a valid issue in regard to the assault on the Pentagon and Exechiel replies with comments that seem to apply to WTC1 and WTC2.

The question remains, How do you explain the disappearance of the engines at the Pentagon?
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Simple... they just burned away in a titanium fire. Most of the titanium used in aircraft are in the engines...

http://www.springerlink.com/content/6175070541604521/

And you can't extinguish that kind of fire with water ...
 
Gojira2006 said:
:o Sorry - I couldn't help but being facetious - I personally think that an airplane that big & flying that fast would cause a heck of a lot more damage - & certainly a larger hole . . . That's why I think it would be good to compare the damage to the Empire State Building when it was struck on July 28, 1945, by a B-25 -


http://www.elevator-world.com/magazine/archive01/9603-002.htm


- to the damage that the Pentagon suffered. In the article it said that "one plane motor went right through the bottom of the car equipment, hitting one of our guide rails (3-1/2 x 5"), doubling it in a 'V' shape. The motor then went through the building, tore a hole 20 feet wide, took the windows and wall down with it (78 floors) and landed in a building across the 33rd Street side . . ." That was a B-25 - the plane that hit the Pentagon was a larger craft, with more powerful engines . . . :)
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Why not simply compare the Pent to the Twin Towers?
 

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Why not simply compare the Pent to the Twin Towers?
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:) Because the Twin Towers were of a curtainwall construction, whereas the Empire State & Pentagon buildings are steel frame & masonry-type construction . . . One of the arguments for the jetliner disintegrating on impact & leaving very little debris, when it struck the Pentagon, was due to the building's sturdier construction . . . The Empire State Building, of similar design, allowed at least one B-25 engine to rocket through it & emerge through the other side & land on another building . . . Why didn't the jetliner engines, when they became detached from the wings, do the same thing - namely become missiles that would plow through the Pentagon . . . ? :)
 
Gojira2006 said:
:rolleyes: Then that should happen everytime a plane crashes that's full of aviation fuel . . . :rolleyes:
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Do you know of many high velocity 757 impacts into solid reinforced structures ?

Truth is... WTC and pentagon hits are extreme kinetic impacts. I'm sure you've seen the transformation of matter into energy and its spectacular meltdown effects on metals (WTC support metal framework) as the WTC towers crumbled.

In these real life cases, I don't see why a jet engine wouldn't disintegrate like the rest of the material. If you found something it would be unrecognizable ;)
 
Ezechiel said:
Do you know of many high velocity 757 impacts into solid reinforced structures ?

Truth is... WTC and pentagon hits are extreme kinetic impacts. I'm sure you've seen the transformation of matter into energy and its spectacular meltdown effects on metals (WTC support metal framework) as the WTC towers crumbled.

In these real life cases, I don't see why a jet engine wouldn't disintegrate like the rest of the material. If you found something it would be unrecognizable ;)
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:) & a B-25 ran into the Empire State Building, exploded, caused fires, & sent one of its engines right through the tower - & debris was found afterwards . . . :rolleyes:
 
I have been looking at this for over a week. I have read sites online that are both for and against a 9/11 conspiracy.I have developed my own ideas from what i am learning. Some of the questions, i asked were never answered.Why, because they can't answer them.They go against the grain of what they now.

As regards to the pentagon here is another site. please look at it? It from a individual who put alot of work into his post. It made alot of sense.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg
 
Gojira2006 said:
:) & a B-25 ran into the Empire State Building, exploded, caused fires, & sent one of its engines right through the tower - & debris was found afterwards . . . :rolleyes:
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It depends on resistance... If matter can find an escape path and avoid transformation into energy then you may find debris.
If it can't, that's where intense energy will rapidly dissolve your engines.

This is an excellent case for mythbusters :D

http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/757.html

Calculating the energy of a 757 filled with jet fuel flying probably beyond the max 609 MPH hitting the most reinforced and protected building on the planet (pentagon) should melt it beyond recognition.
 
Irishseekers said:
I have been looking at this for over a week. I have read sites online that are both for and against a 9/11 conspiracy.I have developed my own ideas from what i am learning. Some of the questions, i asked were never answered.Why, because they can't answer them.They go against the grain of what they now.

As regards to the pentagon here is another site. please look at it? It from a individual who put alot of work into his post. It made alot of sense.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg
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Wow...I went through the entire post and the author did an excellent job
 
The whole 911 conspiracy is much like chinese whispers. Potentially started off with a little fact and quickly ends with elephant, road, tomato eggplant.
 
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