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My Concerns Over the Proposed "Solutions" of Man-Made GW/CC

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cottonzway

I was saying boo-urns
I want to address this topic in a manner that is lacking IMO. I do not intend to argue for or against the proposed science of anthropogenic GW/CC because I think it is highly contested and frankly I am a novice when it comes to the detailed science. However, what I can speak on is the solutions given to fix the suggested problem that we are causing and the financial implications of moving forward with the suggested "fixes" to the problem as I am not a novice in terms of economics.

So let's break down the solutions to the problem that has been proposed by those who set policy.
These solutions are cap and trade as well as carbon taxation. So the end result is trillions of dollars that go into big government and big business. Why is this not a problem to the people who support the theory of man-made GW/CC? The scientists who are dedicating their live to finding this information do not speak on this. Why? If they are sure their data is correct and they can clearly see those who are opposing it usually base their objections on the solutions proposed then why are they not vocal about those who promote the solutions (carbon taxation/cap and trade) to back off on their solutions so the topic is not met with such resistance? Because you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Their funding comes from government grants and the private sector that has a direct interest in their conclusions being that man is causing these problems. If the scientific community really did care about the topic like they say then they would be critical of the solutions as that causes the most resistance. Their silence is deafening.

The solutions to all of this are creative ways to get money from YOU. Some of this film-flam is going on now. People already buy "carbon credits" to offset their pollution. Those people are no different then people who would give money to a witch doctor to dance to make it rain. So I give money to company "X" (who is a for profit business) and that somehow makes it better because they claim they plant trees with it? If you are that much of an idiot I suggest simply mailing the money you would spend at a casino to the casino to save both parties time.

Cap and trade is a way to ensure more business leave the US. All of the legislation is put forth to cripple the US, but does not put those restrictions on China and India, who already pollute more then we do to begin with. Great idea! Just like NAFAT and GATT were great ideas. Let's lose more industry in a time where we are in double figures unemployment.

Carbon trading. Here is the big one. Check out the Chicago Carbon Futures Markets. It's just waiting to be the new scam. This is part of the equation where people need to have an understanding in seeing why they really should be skeptical of the suggestions of man-made GW/CC. It is the new derivative market. It is the new bubble. The new hedge fund scam. While people look at a guy like Madoff stealing billions, they often overlook because they simply don't understand the markets of exotic financial vehicles. Derivatives, credit default swaps, synthetic CDOs, mortgaged backed securities, ect. The amount of fake money tied up in these scams is several times the GDP of the entire earth. All of these scams are exposed now, so they need a new one. Carbon Futures Markets is exactly that. The new multi-trillion dollar scam of toxic debt.

The solutions of the entire theory of man-made GW/CC are quite obvious a means for government and business to make huge profits while blaming human beings for it. It's the ultimate scam. Tax people for a problem while making them feel guilty for even breathing. The scientific community are whores to this game and cowards for not calling out the solutions proposed based on their data. That sends a huge red flag up for me and the solutions themselves seal the deal on it being a scam. If it is not a scam, then shame on the scientific community for not calling out those who are taking their data and using as a means of huge profits. They have nobody to blame but themselves in the resistance their data gets when they whore out to big government and big business to use it as a tool to tax us while remaining quiet on it.
 
I am closing this thread in advance because I sense that Cottonzway disagrees with me.

Just kidding. ;)
 
I disagree with you, it seems, but this is the reason as to why. Sadly, these points are often not talked about in their full context. I figured it was long over-due. :)
 
I disagree with you, it seems, but this is the reason as to why. Sadly, these points are often not talked about in their full context. I figured it was long over-due. :)

Joking aside, my position has always been pretty clear. Man-made climate change is not controversial - it is happening, and represents an existential danger to the human race.

The question - and where there is room for reasonable debate - concerns what we're going to do about it. Cap and trade is a flawed solution, especially in that it doesn't go nearly far enough, but it's the only one that has even a snowball's chance in hell of getting passed in the US for the forseeable future, and at this point even a flawed solution is better than further inaction, in my opinion.
 
Joking aside, my position has always been pretty clear. Man-made climate change is not controversial - it is happening, and represents an existential danger to the human race.

The question - and where there is room for reasonable debate - concerns what we're going to do about it. Cap and trade is a flawed solution, especially in that it doesn't go nearly far enough, but it's the only one that has even a snowball's chance in hell of getting passed in the US for the forseeable future, and at this point even a flawed solution is better than further inaction, in my opinion.

I don't think it is true the science is settled, but even if I did agree with you here the points as to why the scientific community is not speaking out against what is the most divisve aspect of the topic. That being the solutions that are all based on monetary gain for government and big business.

I really don't think people are aware of the staggering amounts of profit that is to be made with legislation and policy based on the concept of man-made gw/cc. Whenever I see a scientific study that's conclussions will result in new markets (derivatives) that are greater then the GDP of the entire world, it makes makes me question motive.

---------- Post added at 02:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:08 AM ----------

This will be the new home of the next ponzi-scheme:

http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/
 
Humans are effecting the earths ecosystems. We manipulate the landscape to serve our needs and desires. Just as Newton so aptly put it, for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction. To my mind there is no doubt that we are affecting the earths climate. However, I am not certain to what degree we are affecting it. This is where the scientists involved in this Climategate (I happen to like Friedmans name for it) have really done science in general a disservice. Loosing the data and not having a single backup is absurd. Especially in todays world. This reason alone will spur on conspiracy theories both plausible and ridiculous. I think that we must have better research and analysis before we can actually declare it either way.

But, this should not take us away from trying to produce eco-freindly alternate sources of fuel, transportation, and manufacturing. Regardless of where you stand on the climate issue surely you can agree that this would be a fruitful endeavor.
 
But, this should not take us away from trying to produce eco-freindly alternate sources of fuel, transportation, and manufacturing. Regardless of where you stand on the climate issue surely you can agree that this would be a fruitful endeavor.

I completely agree with this Ron. No matter what one's stand is on the climate change debate, it only makes sense to investigate alternative energy sources, and to improve the efficiency of the ones that we already have.

The earth has a wealth of natural resources; wind, tide, geothermal, and light energy- surely the technologies that exploit these resources can be made more efficient and more affordable.
 
I don't think it is true the science is settled, but even if I did agree with you here the points as to why the scientific community is not speaking out against what is the most divisve aspect of the topic. That being the solutions that are all based on monetary gain for government and big business.

I really don't think people are aware of the staggering amounts of profit that is to be made with legislation and policy based on the concept of man-made gw/cc. Whenever I see a scientific study that's conclussions will result in new markets (derivatives) that are greater then the GDP of the entire world, it makes makes me question motive.

---------- Post added at 02:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:08 AM ----------

This will be the new home of the next ponzi-scheme:

http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/

Silly carbon credits aside, any alternative energy sources will make money for someone. The important thing to understand that there is strong evidence to show that we are causing the climate to change all over the world by adding pollutants to the air. Any solutions we come up with will generate income in one way or another. That is of course a race a benevolent space aliens come down and provide us with free energy.
The next time someone is abducted, they should inquire.
 
Boy you European guys must really love VAT if you now want Cap & Trade, especially in these times when most everyone is hanging on with their fingernails.
 
I'm done with GW/CC. It jumped the shark for me when I found out what Cap and Trade is really about and it's about the same bastards that gave us the current financial mess getting yet richer. It's a scam, period. Research it yourself. You want to make Al Gore rich, go ahead, be my guest. Help him release his chakra or whatever he's releasing.
We can come up with good alternatives to how we're doing things and if they truly work (and not killed off by the powers-that-be, the same ones wanting Cap and Trade), then the change we want will happen.
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the propaganda anymore. This is coming from a former supporter of the GW theory.
 
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