more Persinger dynamite

[boomerang]

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[SRL+]

Really quite interesting, especially when Persinger suggests a holographic image possibly being created every ten minutes. It is also interesting this occurs during the dream state. Persinger and Vallee should get together (if they haven’t already), and compare data points. Since Valle’s latest research has apparently filled in some of the missing data points as to the time and duration of sightings.

 

[mike]

Wow, Just Wow.....
perhaps the most significant video ive seen ever, sincere thanks for posting this

It confirms what ive been saying in another thread, that there is technology that will allow us to read minds, Refining this research will give humanity the hive mind, or rather it will allow us to access the hive mind that already exists.

If you havent seen this video, you need to

 

[HotSoup]

Wow, Just Wow.....
perhaps the most significant video ive seen ever, sincere thanks for posting this

It confirms what ive been saying in another thread, that there is technology that will allow us to read minds, Refining this research will give humanity the hive mind, or rather it will allow us to access the hive mind that already exists.

If you havent seen this video, you need to

Interesting, thanks for posting this vid, the share of information is appreciated. You mentioned hive mind Mike, the Internet came directly to the front of my thoughts when considering an ongoing hive mind experiment, and hive mind mentality through the hub of a hive net.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

I sometimes wonder how long it will be till the Internet becomes self-aware. What will be the first thing the newly minted artificial intelligence does? Start screwing with us? Hmmmm. Wait a minute!

Uh-oh.

 

[mike]

Interesting, thanks for posting this vid, the share of information is appreciated. You mentioned hive mind Mike, the Internet came directly to the front of my thoughts when considering an ongoing hive mind experiment, and hive mind mentality through the hub of a hive net.

I think the internet might be a prelude to the hive mind, a taste of the functionality we can expect.

For example i use IMDB all the time.

Im sure you know the scenario, your watching a movie or TV and you see a face, and you say to yourself, ive seen then actor before, but you cant quite put your finger on where.

I just click over to PC function (my TV is also my PC monitor) in the ad's and use the IMDB to pull up the show/character, from there i get the actor, and every role they ever played.

Its like having an enhanced memory with incredible detail.

I no longer have to wonder what the answer is, i can just call the data up.

A brain computer interface (BCI) that could do this directly would be something i would value most highly

 

[boomerang]

When I ran across this on YouTube, I expected to watch maybe the first ten minutes of it, then found myself absolutely nailed.

Tangentially related--I once communicated by ham radio over a distance of 2500 miles using 2 watts of RF power and thirty feet of wire for an antenna. This is not common, but not unheard of either. Two watts is roughly one-third the power of a Christmas tree bulb! It all has to do with patterns and the condition of earth's ionosphere and magnetic field. Persinger put it very well when he asked how it is we hear weak sound waves, but not the tons of atmosphere pressing down on us all the time.

 

[NTS]

I had never heard of Persinger before, and I know little about the human brain or the Earth's magnetic field.

BUT, my BS detector started screaming the second he started talking. An immediate gut reaction. My other reaction was that being directly aware of everyone else's thoughts would be hellish.

As you may guess I stopped watching after about 30 seconds. Maybe I'll come back to it when I'm in a more receptive state of mind.

 

[trainedobserver]

My other reaction was that being directly aware of everyone else's thoughts would be hellish.

Without a doubt.

Also, if some technology were developed that enabled people to reliably tap into another's mind it would be one of the most highly regulated and expensive technologies ever developed. I'm sure it would only be in the hands of a very select few as it would be considered the ultimate weapon. I would also venture to guess that anyone using such a technology could endanger their own mental health. The movie Brain Storm explores some of these themes in its depiction of a type of thought communication technology.

I think he has it backward about the "no secrets" aspect though. There would be no secrets that an individual could keep from a government or commercial business using something like this.

How old is the Iggo Swann data he is talking about? I didn't think Swann was doing this sort of thing anymore.

He also seemed to be saying that the United States Army used a psychic, Sean Hambance, to find Saddam Hussein.

I'm pretty skeptical of the whole business.

 

[boomerang]

One should naturally be skeptical about such claims. Data should be verified and experiments replicated. Persinger makes a few leaps of logic where mechanisms are needed, based on his many years of specialized research into emf and the human brain. However, the data he has accumulated, if valid, could cause a sea change in the way we regard human consciousness and the so-called paranormal. Google up the video of skeptic Michael Schermer's experience with the so-called "god helmet". I think it is telling.

BTW, I googled up Persinger's claim about Martin Luther as a non-zealot until having been struck by lightning. That is also apparently true. Most seers and mystics do indeed seem to have some degree of temporal lobe instability.

 

[mike]

I had never heard of Persinger before, and I know little about the human brain or the Earth's magnetic field.

BUT, my BS detector started screaming the second he started talking. An immediate gut reaction. My other reaction was that being directly aware of everyone else's thoughts would be hellish.

As you may guess I stopped watching after about 30 seconds. Maybe I'll come back to it when I'm in a more receptive state of mind.

Michael A. Persinger (born June 26, 1945) is a cognitive neuroscience researcher and university professor with over 200 peer-reviewed publications. He has worked at Laurentian University, located in Sudbury, Ontario, since 1971.

The claims he makes regarding brain reading are consistant with research being carried out all over the world.

Scientists have discovered how to “read” minds by scanning brain activity and reproducing images of what people are seeing — or even remembering.
Researchers have been able to convert into crude video footage the brain activity stimulated by what a person is watching or recalling.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/living/article6898177.ece

In America, security agencies are researching the use of brain scanners for interrogating prisoners, and Lockheed Martin, the US defence contractor, is reported to have studied the possibility of scanning brains at a distance.
This would allow an individual’s thoughts and anxieties to be examined without their knowledge in sensitive locations such as airports.
Russell Foster, a neuroscientist at Oxford University, said rapid advances in the field were throwing up ethical dilemmas.
“It’s absolutely critical for scientists to inform the public about what we are doing so they can engage in the debate about how this knowledge should be used,” he said.
“It’s the age-old problem: knowledge is power and it can be used for both good and evil.”

The scientist believes his latest research shows that certain neurons or individual brain cells are linked with specific objects or concepts.
He found that a particular neuron lit up when a volunteer thought about Marilyn Monroe.
If a database was built up identifying various neurons with concepts, objects and people it would allow them to "read the subject's minds", according to Dr Cerf.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...Scientists-plan-to-record-peoples-dreams.html

Now fMRI is even probing the unconscious mind - distinguishing between real and false memories, detecting the responses associated with emotions elicited by visual images presented too briefly to be consciously perceived. We need to think now about the broader implications of the new neuro-technology. Not just because it might impinge on our privacy, on evidence in the courtroom or on shaping products to our preferences; but because it will challenge our fundental understanding of ourselves.
To René Descartes, conscious experience was the only thing that he was certain of - 'Cogito ergo sum - I think, therefore I am’. But increasingly neuroscientists are casting doubt on the significance of consciousness. They are revealing that most of what our brains do happens below the privileged arena of awareness, and that conscious states are caused by nerve cells that have already 'made up their minds’, rather than conscious intentions which determine what our brains do.
Astronomy, from Copernicus on, has transformed our view of the place of the earth in the heavens. Darwin changed forever our view of the status of humanity. Neuroscience is likely to challenge our very understanding of what it is to be a person.
Colin Blakemore is Professor of Neuroscience at the Universities of Oxford and Warwick

I understand the reservations some have to this idea, it will change us in ways beyond imagination, but i think its inevitable

I think imersion in a hive mind will be liberating, yes it means everyone else can see your dirty little secrets, but you can see theirs, it will reconcile on that level, the guilt factor will evaporate when you see we are all the same at our cores

People also tend to think of a hive mind as meaning we all become the same, but the value of the individuality of each "node" of conciousness in the network will still be paramount, no two experience sets are the same. there is value in that reality. A hive mind doesnt negate that, it enhances it

 

[boomerang]

I understand the reservations some have to this idea, it will change us in ways beyond imagination, but i think its inevitable

The archeological record shows that nature has its own self-organizing dynamic. It seems to have progressed toward ever increasing levels of complexity, and may continue to do so without regard for what we think we want. It may be that only a more intimately interconnected species will survive its own weapons of mass destruction. We are currently living with 21st century technology guided by ancient tribal law and instinct. This may have its limits.

And yes, friends. I easily could be wrong.

 

[mike]

If Persinger is correct about the frequencys involved, it may be as simple as implanting a nanodevice in the brain that produces this frequency.

The Remote viewing data is compelling stuff, still crude in its application, but the proof of concept is there


http://www.remoteviewing.com/

It relies on a strange behaviour that exists at the atomic scale known as "entanglement", whereby two particles can have related properties even when they are far apart. Einstein called it a "spooky action".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm

If that happens, it means that they will have been produced by particles that have gone back in time - or through another dimension - to pre-date the collision that produced them in the first place.
The theory that allows for the Higgs singlet to jump back and forth in time is called the M Theory.
This holds that we exist in a four-dimensional ‘membrane’ – three dimensions of space and one of time - that floats in a 10 or 11-dimension universe.
All known forces and particles are ‘stuck’ to the 4D membrane, but experts believe that the Higgs singlet is not, and is able to ‘diffuse’ into other dimensions.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...lider-world-s-time-machine.html#ixzz1MZVhSH3u

 

[trainedobserver]

BTW, I googled up Persinger's claim about Martin Luther as a non-zealot until having been struck by lightning. That is also apparently true. Most seers and mystics do indeed seem to have some degree of temporal lobe instability.

He seems to be mixing real research with questionable elements like this psychic fellow who claims to have found Saddam for the Army.

 

[mike]

A 'mind-reading machine' that can display mental images is a step closer after scientists decoded brain signals related to vision, it was claimed today.
Researchers from the University of Glasgow showed six volunteers images of people's faces displaying different emotions such as happiness, fear and surprise.

In a series of trials, parts of the images were randomly covered so that, for example, only the eyes or mouth were visible.
Participants were then asked to identify the emotion being displayed while electrodes attached to the scalp measured the volunteers' brainwaves.


The scientists were able to show that brainwaves varied greatly according to which part of the face was being looked at.

'Beta' waves, with a frequency of 12 hertz, carried information about the eyes, while four hertz 'theta' waves were linked to the mouth.

Information was also encoded by the phase, or timing, of the brainwave, and less so by its amplitude, or strength.

Professor Philippe Schyns, who led the study, said: 'It's a bit like unlocking a scrambled television channel. Before, we could detect the signal but couldn't watch the content; now we can.

'How the brain encodes the visual information that enables us to recognise faces and scenes has long been a mystery.
'While we are able to detect EEG activity in certain areas of the brain when particular tasks are performed, we've not known what information is being carried in those brainwaves.

'What we have done is to find a way of decoding brainwaves to identify the messages within.'

Professor Schyns said the study revealed how the brain tuned into different brainwave patterns to code different visual features.

'It is a bit like radiowaves coding different radio stations at different frequency bands,' he added. 'This work has huge potential in the development of brain-computer interfaces.'
The research is published in the online journal Public Library of Science Biology.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ts-decode-human-brainwaves.html#ixzz1MsBpVFnE

 

[boomerang]

He seems to be mixing real research with questionable elements like this psychic fellow who claims to have found Saddam for the Army.

That's a fair criticism. I think Persinger's citation of Luther was offered as one data point in a larger picture that is missing much in detail. But examples of seers, mystics and great artists who are "culture bearing" having access to information and abilities difficult to account for within one limited lifespan, abound.

I have known of too many instances of psychic linkage--such as the classic perception of the death of a loved one--to dismiss this phenomenon as folklore. If science is indeed on the verge of acquiring a mechanism to explain these, then a sea change, good or bad, is in the offing. Persinger has come closer to publicly documenting such a mechanism than anyone else of which we know.

The gist of Persinger's lecture is enhancement of psychic ability through technological means. Is he over-reaching here? He combines a combination of data that are strange but seemingly well verified, such as the 'god helmet' and other means of psychic induction by electromagnetic means, with data that is either yet to be verified or is not verified in the public domain. The most impressive of which is electronically enhanced remote viewing. I find his arguments by analogy (such as why we hear feeble sound waves but not tons of atmosphere) to be 'door openers' in the sense that they demonstrate how sensitive biological critters can be to minuscule forces in nature. And, he seems to hint that he knows more than he can discuss. This is both familiar and frustrating.

If someone here has a link(s) to well designed studies that verify or negate enhancement of psychic perception through technology, please post. Much of the better stuff resides in peer reviewed literature not available or understandable to the non-academic or non- professional. It's unfortunate that the the majority of people (like myself) must rely on highly trained specialists to interpret and paraphrase findings that have a profound impact on their daily lives.

The usual apologies for the length of this post.

 

[muse]

Some things which puzzle me:

If Sean Harribance "reads memories" better the closer he is to a subject, how would he be able to do this via a picture of someone? A lot of people look similar - how would you know it was the right person? And if you had "doubles" such as Saddam Hussein did, how would you know you had the right one? Finally, why would proximity be a factor if, as Dr. Persinger states, everyone can tap into this field of consciousness?

We are not even quite sure how a person accesses his own memories, let alone another's. What I mean is, there is evidence that memory can be stored in something as small as a single cell in the brain, and we have a pretty good idea of what parts deal primarily with certain types of memory (from studies of brain damage in humans/animals and also from AI studies where neural networks are damaged), but there is still a lot we don't know. I would like to hear/read what Dr. Persinger has to say about this.

Interesting stuff.