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Michael812
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Alright then, in keeping with what I said in my first post here, ?I intend to answer any questions raised as best I can and sometimes that answer is provided in the form of a link to an article, or a site, that already contains those answers,? since a genuinely worthwhile, and fundamentally important, question has been asked (forgetting the rest of the post, since there are some things that you still find irresistible), it shall get no less a respectful answer.
Regarding the various experts that authenticated Meier's evidence, my article (a brief overview, really) Scientific Experts' Comments On Meier's Evidence that can be found at TheyFly.com - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts contains specific quotes from them that were documented by Gary Kinder, in his book ?Light Years?, and in his ?Open Letter To The UFO Community?. It is important to note that Kinder went so far as to include an Author's Note at the very end of his book that included this paragraph, ?After completing the manuscript I mailed to each of the scientists, engineers and the special effects expert a packet which included everything in the manuscript pertaining to each. I asked that each make any corrections, technical or otherwise, he cared to make. Either by phone or by mail each of the scientists responded. Some made minor changes, some changed nothing at all. Everything concerning the scientific analyses of the evidence appears in the book exactly as the scientists themselves have authorized it to appear.?
Now, this book was published by Atlantic Monthly, for whom legal liabilities over false statements would be significant, hence the double effort by Kinder to assure accuracy. Of course, this is also where the information about Vogel and his patents appears, which makes it obvious ? to anyone without prejudice ? that whatever is said about Vogel was approved by Atlantic Monthly, ultimately, and is in no way my responsibility. Such attempts to smear me are obviously very fearful, and completely dishonest.
The information regarding the testing of the photographs and the sounds in the Analysis of Meier's UFO Photographs and the Report and On UFO Sound Recordings TheyFly.com - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts contain even more detailed information, including the standards of testing, the names of other experts, and their facilities and equipment, that were involved in the investigative process. These two articles are from Stevens? Preliminary Investigation Report.
It should also be noted that, in some cases, the comments in Kinder's ?Open Letter? document, and my overview of it, are abbreviated and that some of the experts had more to say. Actually, a couple of them had mixed (pro and con) opinions but these mainly reflected their own personal difficulty in considering the implications of the evidence being real. Perhaps the most stunning endorsements were from Froning's full commentary, which reveal a scientist virtually spellbound by the amazing quality and specificity of Meier's information about tachyons and hyperspace propulsion?and the high degree of expert knowledge that he accords to whoever Meier got the information from. If I really thought that they'd be seriously considered I'd have taken the trouble to type them out and post them here.
I should also add that the film ?Contact? (1982) contains some of the analysis, as it's being done by the sound and photo experts, information about Meier's lie detector test, interviews with some of the witnesses, as well as some of Vogel's comments. Vogel's full analysis can be found in The Metal video at my site.
If you are serious in thinking about the real implications of what exists here, then consider that we're talking about top level scientists ? who have NOTHING to gain by sticking their necks out regarding a ?UFO case? ? coming forward and authenticating complex, virtually still irreproducible physical evidence, presented to them by a one-armed man, who was conclusively found to be without the necessary talent, training, education, background, resources, finances, knowledge, equipment, collaborators, etc. necessary to produce it. This isn't my ?opinion?, it's the facts as determined by the six-year long efforts of the investigative team (at least two of whom were skeptics, i.e. the Elders) and further confirmed by the investigation of yet another skeptic, the journalist Gary Kinder.
Now, people can make all the derisive statements they want, all of which lack substantiation and, worse, disintegrate in the face of the established FACTS. Even the terrible aspersions unfairly, and cowardly, hurled at Meier and the witnesses by DB, crumble in the light of the information about the real people involved, and their experiences, as a glimpse at the documentation/overview at http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/002/index.php will reveal and the documentation here Testimony from some Meier-case witnesses and here Earliest testimony from Meier-case witnesses demonstrates. I personally know, have worked and spent a lot of time with many of them, including Meier. For his efforts, Meier has been the target of 21 (DOCUMENTED) unsuccessful assassination attempts, kidnapping attempts on his children, and relentless attacks on his character and truthfulness by, well, by UNKIND people who have absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE about the man, the witnesses, the case, etc.
There isn't a person among us who could withstand a fraction of the outrage, and certainly not ONE skeptic/debunker would even subject himself to a taste of it, since no compensation was ever offered to Meier to undertake this mission ? and none could ever be sufficient if it was to be put in financial terms.
By tomorrow sometime, I will post the promised article on DB's ?image analysis?, for everyone's enjoyment. But let me make clear that my own position is this, no matter how virulent, undeserved, unsubstantiated an attack a person launches against Meier and the case, should a person show some genuine humility and understanding and even move their inquiry into the professional, i.e. neutral, scientific mode, let alone find that they have to concede that, despite their own formerly presumed brilliance, the darn thing is real, my attitude and commentary is basically, ?Great, thanks for your honesty.? I don't gloat, since that's absolutely contrary to the spirit of the information at the core of the case.
This is, essentially, a gift to humanity, wrapped in a sufficiently (but not impossibly) complex puzzle, with some well thought out ?escape hatches? for those people for whom the reality of it is too overwhelming ? paradoxically many of whom carry on about ?well, they should just land in my backyard?, when they can't even handle the more oblique approach, ongoing for the last 64 years, and designed to allow us to acclimate ourselves at our own rate of speed.
Anytime anyone wants to shift their approach to a more scientific and credible one, it would be fine with me.
Regarding the various experts that authenticated Meier's evidence, my article (a brief overview, really) Scientific Experts' Comments On Meier's Evidence that can be found at TheyFly.com - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts contains specific quotes from them that were documented by Gary Kinder, in his book ?Light Years?, and in his ?Open Letter To The UFO Community?. It is important to note that Kinder went so far as to include an Author's Note at the very end of his book that included this paragraph, ?After completing the manuscript I mailed to each of the scientists, engineers and the special effects expert a packet which included everything in the manuscript pertaining to each. I asked that each make any corrections, technical or otherwise, he cared to make. Either by phone or by mail each of the scientists responded. Some made minor changes, some changed nothing at all. Everything concerning the scientific analyses of the evidence appears in the book exactly as the scientists themselves have authorized it to appear.?
Now, this book was published by Atlantic Monthly, for whom legal liabilities over false statements would be significant, hence the double effort by Kinder to assure accuracy. Of course, this is also where the information about Vogel and his patents appears, which makes it obvious ? to anyone without prejudice ? that whatever is said about Vogel was approved by Atlantic Monthly, ultimately, and is in no way my responsibility. Such attempts to smear me are obviously very fearful, and completely dishonest.
The information regarding the testing of the photographs and the sounds in the Analysis of Meier's UFO Photographs and the Report and On UFO Sound Recordings TheyFly.com - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts contain even more detailed information, including the standards of testing, the names of other experts, and their facilities and equipment, that were involved in the investigative process. These two articles are from Stevens? Preliminary Investigation Report.
It should also be noted that, in some cases, the comments in Kinder's ?Open Letter? document, and my overview of it, are abbreviated and that some of the experts had more to say. Actually, a couple of them had mixed (pro and con) opinions but these mainly reflected their own personal difficulty in considering the implications of the evidence being real. Perhaps the most stunning endorsements were from Froning's full commentary, which reveal a scientist virtually spellbound by the amazing quality and specificity of Meier's information about tachyons and hyperspace propulsion?and the high degree of expert knowledge that he accords to whoever Meier got the information from. If I really thought that they'd be seriously considered I'd have taken the trouble to type them out and post them here.
I should also add that the film ?Contact? (1982) contains some of the analysis, as it's being done by the sound and photo experts, information about Meier's lie detector test, interviews with some of the witnesses, as well as some of Vogel's comments. Vogel's full analysis can be found in The Metal video at my site.
If you are serious in thinking about the real implications of what exists here, then consider that we're talking about top level scientists ? who have NOTHING to gain by sticking their necks out regarding a ?UFO case? ? coming forward and authenticating complex, virtually still irreproducible physical evidence, presented to them by a one-armed man, who was conclusively found to be without the necessary talent, training, education, background, resources, finances, knowledge, equipment, collaborators, etc. necessary to produce it. This isn't my ?opinion?, it's the facts as determined by the six-year long efforts of the investigative team (at least two of whom were skeptics, i.e. the Elders) and further confirmed by the investigation of yet another skeptic, the journalist Gary Kinder.
Now, people can make all the derisive statements they want, all of which lack substantiation and, worse, disintegrate in the face of the established FACTS. Even the terrible aspersions unfairly, and cowardly, hurled at Meier and the witnesses by DB, crumble in the light of the information about the real people involved, and their experiences, as a glimpse at the documentation/overview at http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/002/index.php will reveal and the documentation here Testimony from some Meier-case witnesses and here Earliest testimony from Meier-case witnesses demonstrates. I personally know, have worked and spent a lot of time with many of them, including Meier. For his efforts, Meier has been the target of 21 (DOCUMENTED) unsuccessful assassination attempts, kidnapping attempts on his children, and relentless attacks on his character and truthfulness by, well, by UNKIND people who have absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE about the man, the witnesses, the case, etc.
There isn't a person among us who could withstand a fraction of the outrage, and certainly not ONE skeptic/debunker would even subject himself to a taste of it, since no compensation was ever offered to Meier to undertake this mission ? and none could ever be sufficient if it was to be put in financial terms.
By tomorrow sometime, I will post the promised article on DB's ?image analysis?, for everyone's enjoyment. But let me make clear that my own position is this, no matter how virulent, undeserved, unsubstantiated an attack a person launches against Meier and the case, should a person show some genuine humility and understanding and even move their inquiry into the professional, i.e. neutral, scientific mode, let alone find that they have to concede that, despite their own formerly presumed brilliance, the darn thing is real, my attitude and commentary is basically, ?Great, thanks for your honesty.? I don't gloat, since that's absolutely contrary to the spirit of the information at the core of the case.
This is, essentially, a gift to humanity, wrapped in a sufficiently (but not impossibly) complex puzzle, with some well thought out ?escape hatches? for those people for whom the reality of it is too overwhelming ? paradoxically many of whom carry on about ?well, they should just land in my backyard?, when they can't even handle the more oblique approach, ongoing for the last 64 years, and designed to allow us to acclimate ourselves at our own rate of speed.
Anytime anyone wants to shift their approach to a more scientific and credible one, it would be fine with me.
kind of hard to be a doctor when you don't have the degree. internegs being processed as the real deal? 
