Martyn Stubbs and the NASA Transmissions

[Jim Oberg]

I am pointing out that an object was reported seen in front of an astronaut & he is informed.."there is an object right in front of you"..& we see it too on the video! There is no NASA report of a camera being 'down' with an detached & escaping 'Lens Filter' in real time (we see it used later on in the spacewalk) or in post flight reports. The conversation is totally strange as well! They do not say it is ice nor do they say debris.."right in front of you."... That's what this is all about.

I've pointed out before that you remain clueless about even what is being talked about by the astronauts and Mission Control, with a passion to pieemeal-misinterpret things you see and hear to fit your pre-existing vision of what must be going on. 'Orbiter State vector' versus 'order to stay vector' was -- and remains -- a typical example of your imagination-driven misinterpretations.

 

[Jim Oberg]

I am pointing out that an object was reported seen in front of an astronaut & he is informed.."there is an object right in front of you"..& we see it too on the video! There is no NASA report of a camera being 'down' with an detached & escaping 'Lens Filter' in real time (we see it used later on in the spacewalk) or in post flight reports. The conversation is totally strange as well! They do not say it is ice nor do they say debris.."right in front of you."... That's what this is all about.

I've pointed out before that you remain clueless about even what is being talked about by the astronauts and Mission Control, with a passion to piecemeal-misinterpret things you see and hear to fit your pre-existing vision of what must be going on. 'Orbiter State vector' versus 'order to stay vector' was -- and remains -- a typical example of your imagination-driven misinterpretations.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Interesting debate and like all space agency security clearances are needed through history NASA's Secret Relationships with U.S. Defense and Intelligence Agencies

 

[Jim Oberg]

Interesting debate and like all space agency security clearances are needed through history NASA's Secret Relationships with U.S. Defense and Intelligence Agencies

This is a good overview -- and I have a review copy of the original book as well. There was always some suspicion at NASA that somehow the DoD had 'zapped' the NASA Seasat space radar because its imagery was TOO good, including water surface roughness indications of the passage of deep-submerged submarines. But the failure was based on a NASA design of the rotary power distribution hardware for the solar arrays. The issue of transition of all DoD missions to shuttle also contributed to the launch decision that destroyed Challenger in 1986, since the DoD had grown increasingly skeptical of NASA's promises of operational reliability of the shuttle and had begun reopening production lines for expendable boosters, a development that NASA was determined to squelch. The chairman of the Congressional committee that was to make that decision, Bill Nelson, was added to a shuttle mission in late 1985 exactly to prove to him how reliably the shuttle could launch, and the pressure to do so from HQ was intense, leading to the management decision to overrule engineers concerned about low-temperature safety issues [on the mission right after Nelson's flight]. One of two control centers in bldg 30 was physically modified to conduct SECRET level operations on DoD missions [I supported some of those] and the severe limitations on encrypting even downlink TV degraded imagery including critical views of the STS-27 heat shield damage that led NASA to underestimate their severity [which could have but didn't destroy the ship on reentry].

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Great historical review thank you Jim for the insider feedback and agree DoD has to have these protection in place in order to save lives! and prevention of foreign espionage. Do you think NASA stop the the Space Shuttle Missions to early? Also it seems the US Space budget needs more Government funds injection and relying on private ventures poses risk in security for NASA and its relation to DoD? don't you think Jim? Would not like to see the cyber extremist etc getting into the NASA systems. Wonder if China and Russia Cest la vie towards it security . Jim what's your thoughts on a Secret Space Program in covert operation by these two states?