March 19, 2017 — Dr. Robert Davis and Dr. Maree Batchelor

[Gene Steinberg]

Here I go again, putting myself in the thick of the action.

This time I asked one of the guests, psychic healer Dr. Maree Batchelor, to attempt a brief psychic healing with me as the subject.

You'll hear just what happened in this episode.

I also discuss it further with Erica Lukes on the week's edition of the After The Paracast podcast, an exclusive feature of The Paracast+:

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[wwkirk]

The questionnaire project of FREE is quite impressive. As for the other guest, her talk of shapeshifting can't be taken seriously.
But I do think you should have turned on your camera because that would have made for a standard experiment since that is how she usually does it.

 

[Carlos Danger Jr]

Wow- what a very tedious and frustrating episode. I didn't know I was listening to the Debunkercast. Had high hopes for Dr. Davis being on again, but he wouldn't answer Gene's questions directly (i..e. Dr. Edgar Mitchell). FREE is interesting, but still relying on too much personal testimony and anecdotal accounts to sound credible. Then when you get to Dr. Batchelor, I thought I was listening to a badly trained hypnotist. Whenever I hear the buzzwords multi-dimensional and higher level of consciousness mentioned together, I immediately think sham- heard it too much on another unnamed show. I respect Gene for constantly asking hard-hitting questions to get any actual proof ( yeah, why no camera or video of these sessions?), but nevertheless, she continued to be very vague with her statements.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

The questionnaire project of FREE is quite impressive. As for the other guest, her talk of shapeshifting can't be taken seriously.
But I do think you should have turned on your camera because that would have made for a standard experiment since that is how she usually does it.

I merely wanted to see if her appearance changed since that was claimed.

 

[SheaOlmsford]

First, I want to applaud your attempt with this episode to broaden the guest pool. I had earlier suggested someone from Exopolitics which would be much more focused on ufology than the good Dr. Bachelor. But I am very happy you included her because it illustrates what serious researchers are up against.

I would like to share some experiences that relate to this lady's shtick.

About 15 years ago, I was having a lot of physical trouble with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS). I had just moved to a new city in a different part of the USA (from San Francisco to Phoenix). I think it all just caught up with me and manifested in the digestive tract. Anyway, after pursuing all the mainstream medical avenues to no effect, I found a website forum of other IBS sufferers who recommended a self-hypnosis CD series.

I ordered it. The CD collection had a lot of different self-hypnosis techniques that I went through according to the instructions. Today when I heard Dr. Bachelor's "therapy" with Gene, I thought "OMG! That is very much like the self-hypnosis CDs for IBS". Most of the CD exercises had the intention of relaxing the listener. The listener was encouraged to relax each muscle group.

Well, guess what. A standard side-effect of relaxing each muscle group was increased blood circulation and warmth. This manifested as tingling through out the body. Now, the CD series did not contain any hocus pokus language attributing the impacts to aliens, ascended masters or the healing power of Jesus. It quite honestly described the side effects as a normal reaction to intense relaxation of the body when going through a directed self-hypnosis.

By the way, the CDs did "cure" my IBS, but bear in mind that IBS often is associated with stress and involuntary spasms which are brought under control (creating a new physical habit) via repeating the CD relaxation techniques. The voice on the CD had no special psychic ability, no ability to shapeshift, and no invisible helpers.

I think Dr. B. is using obvious relaxation techniques that will certainly make many people feel better for the short term! This does not equate to healing. If someone wishes to relax, they do not need to pay anyone hundreds of dollars to do so. They can probably find some excellent relaxation CDs on Amazon or another online site.

Now, with your indulgence, I would like to speak a bit about FREE, since I WAS A PARTICIPANT.

I first heard about the FREE website and study from one of the many internet podcasts where a FREE representative was encouraging people to fill out the questionnaire. I have a bizarre history of possible "alien" encounters and other over-the-top paranormal experiences. See below.

Anonymous Woo Woo Files.pdf

I eventually sent this to the the FREE representative from the podcast. I would mention his name but I forgot. My intent was "OK. So how does all this litany of weirdness stack up against your questionnaire base?"

He called me and encouraged me to do the 4 or 5 phases of the questionnaire, each becoming more complex until you participated in a phone or skype interview. I had to agree to each subsequent phase. I stopped before the live interview phase.

I have no scandal to report. I found the questionnaires (in the different phases) complex and worth doing. Some of the questions were repetitive, perhaps to see if I would contradict myself. So I got tired of answering the same question that was worded in different ways.

What caused me to stop before the live interview was that I had come late to the party. Results were already being shared on the website. Like Gene, I was quite perplexed that something like 80% or more of the participants LIKED their so-called alien experiences.

I loathed mine. I was terrified during them. There were no blonde beauties teaching me the golden rule and telling me about multiple dimensions, the origins of Earth life, and cosmic secrets. My encounters were with little white creatures with the huge almond eyes back in the late 50's and 60's when I was a kid. These experiences were traumatizing. In teen years, sperm was taken. There was no friendly discussion of metaphysics and who was who in outer space. It was WHAM, BAM, NO THANK YOU, MAN. Then on to the next victim.

Anyway, all paranormal events have ceased for me as of the late 90's, thank god. But the results being reported by FREE seemed so distorted and contrary to everything I knew and experienced that I became actually angry. I told them that this organization seemed like a New Age Space Brothers front and I no longer wanted to be part of it. In other words, I did NOT feel that I had found a "home" online for my experiences. So I left.

Today's interview with Mr. Davis did nothing to dissuade me of that viewpoint. I consider some of the people on their Board, such as Mary Rodwell, to be pretty fuffy and more in the born-believer category. The fact that Mr. Davis defended Doctor Bachelor, saying that he felt all tingly during her session with Gene, caused me to groan out loud and mumble "How typical of that organization".

I applaud the goals of the FREE organization, but do not trust their results. The most basic problem is simply that to participate, YOU nominate yourself! So the sample is distorted. Do people with positive "My Space Family Loves Me' beliefs want to share this more often than people like me who shun any further contact with the merciless little grey creatures?

Also, where was the FREE questionnaire advertised? Were the podcasts, for example, more aligned with the Exopolitics view of aliens being very similar to the Star Trek modality of human-like entities who wish us to join their Confederation of Light? I confess I at times listen to such podcasts because they can be quite entertaining even to the point of laughter. I cannot remember the podcast where I heard the promotion of the FREE questionnaire. It could have been on an Exopolitics podcast or even a Stephen Greer podcast. (Aliens are wonderful - all negative abductions are done by nasty humans in the military).

Well, that is all. To anyone who actually looks at my personal file of experiences, I beg you to treat what I wrote with RESPECT. It is all true, although I realize it is almost impossible for anyone else to believe.

UPDATE: After Chris Johnson posted, I realized that the person at FREE that I conversed with was Rey Hernandez.

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

It's always a challenging proposition when you are dealing with an individual that claims to possess "special abilities," for lack of a better, non-New Agey term, that are not commonly understood by laypersons (i.e. non-New Agey types), or quantifiable using currently available scientific methods, let alone sufficiently explained by the individual with said abilities themselves. The veracity of any claims made by such people - psychic, medium, energy healer, faith healer, medical intuitive, spiritual guru, etc., rely solely on the experiences and results of their clientele/patients/believers/followers. Most often, the claims made by the participants are remarkably hard to verify and results difficult to definitively attribute to the work of the person with "special abilities." It's also hard not to think that the very fact these clients/patients actively searched out, visited, and paid (usually) significant money to this type of "practitioner" means they have an emotionally-invested interest to hope for the best when partaking in the "unique" service being offered. Never underestimate the power of belief, hope and desperation!

I share this opinion based on numerous first hand experiences of my own with many different psychics and "alternative healers"of various stripes over the past 30 years of living in the New Age capital - Southern California. In fact, upon listening and learning that Gene was flying solo this week, it made me wish I could have pulled a "Goggs Mackay" and participated as a knowledgeable guest co-host for this specific episode! Probably the only type I'd ever be qualified for, outside of a listener's roundtable, or a segment on Macs and iOS devices on Tech Night Owl.

As I listened to Gene interview Dr. Batchelor, I was struck by her particular "word salad", as Gene puts it, when describing what she does and how she does it. She was an interesting combination of two different "alt healers" (for short) that I've seen over the years. One of which, most recently, was an "energy healer," again for lack of a better term, who, in her own words, channeled her higher-dimensional ability to "remove negative energy blockages from one's body in order to allow the body to heal itself" from God directly. Her interpretation of her gifts, which only came to her late in life (late 60's) and the mechanism specifically providing them to her was clearly filtered through the prism of her personal belief in Christianity. Her abilities suddenly manifested after successfully conquering a many decades long battle with extreme back pain. She had zero knowledge and exposure to anything New Age prior to acquiring her new gift. Had my good friend that referred me to her informed me of her source of abilities beforehand, I probably would have taken a pass, not being a particularly big fan of Christianity myself. However, I did not learn any of the details until after my first visit. She was just a grandma with some "god-given" abilities that she decided to use for good. She saw people at her home, in her back yard, in a Mongolian yurt, that was decked out with a comfortable massage table draped in a soft blanket and a pillow. She worked simply, and efficiently, by placing her hands on various parts of your body where she sensed there was a "blockage" of energy. During the early visits I would literally fall asleep during the process.

Long story short, I'll spare the many details, enough verifiable (to me) physical changes took place on that first visit that made me think that there might really be something to this person's gifts. I ended up seeing her on a fairly regular basis for over three years. Never quite experiencing the same results as that first visit, to be honest, but believing that improvements were happening "internally." Thankfully, I was able to barter my Apple tech services for visits, so I wasn't coming out of pocket for tons of money. She worked on donations only, no set fee, pay what you can afford. She was in this to heal people, not to get rich. I appreciated that kind of attitude and integrity. To me, it gave her more credibility in the "alt healer" arena than many others I had seen in the past who were by no means cheap and produced no quantifiable results for me.

Another reason I hung in so long before becoming disillusioned with the practice was the results a friend I referred experienced with her 11yo daughter who had suffered from severe chronic stomach pain for years. After multitudes of different doctors over the years with no answers and no relief, my friend took my suggestion of visiting this healer. She didn't believe in this kind of stuff but as I told her "What have you got to lose? And she literally lives 5 minutes around the corner from you." She finally got desperate enough and booked an appointment. After one single visit, 24 hours later the daughter had no more stomach pain (it's never come back, she's 16yo now) and her mother, who also got a little work done on her that same visit, realized later that night that her chronic shoulder pain she'd had for years was gone (it hasn't come back either).

Much like my experiences with one particular psychic, out of several I've seen, who told me things about me, about my friends, and co-workers they couldn't/shouldn't have known, , I have no way to explain the results I initially experienced with the alt healer, or what my friend experienced with her shoulder and her daughter. I mean, it changed her daughter's life immensely. So I can't help think there must be something to it. It can't all just be the "placebo effect" or "power of the mind." I went in knowing nothing about the process or what she, as an "energy healer" did. My friend just said "you need to see this person, I think you'll dig it" and I trusted her based on past recommendations, so I did. I didn't share any health issues I just let her do her thing.

To close the circle on this experience, the reason I ultimately became disillusioned with the alt healer was when, a few years ago, I developed an extremely painful condition in my left salivary gland that when first eating something and food hit the back of my tongue it would cause an initial muscle spasm in my left jawline and when I finished eating, there was subsequent spasms and related nerve pain that would shoot up the side of my face and last for up to an hour at its worst. This condition grew from an initial twinge to months later being excruciatingly painful. I saw a dentist specializing in TMJ, that wasn't it and he had no idea what it could be. I saw a physical therapist and they had no idea. I couldn't afford to see a specialist, like an Ear, Nose & Throat doctor, not having insurance, so I was hoping this "energy healer," who I had been seeing for years, could do her thing, channel some of that "energy from God" and provide even a modicum of relief. After all, I had been hearing about all of her success stories with patients for years, most of whom had much more serious issues than me. Yet multiple visits and not an iota of relief or improvement. When I questioned her on why this "God energy" wasn't helping I was given the familiar old New Age excuse of "well apparently you are supposed to learn something from this experience and aren't supposed to be rid of it yet." Yeah, FUCK THAT. Once you hear that common bullshit excuse, you know you're done.

Unrelated comments about the FREE and Dr. Davis part of the episode. Perhaps it's just me but I am thoroughly underwhelmed that FREE now has 4,000 submitted reports from alleged experiencers of "alien abduction." There's little scientific value, in my opinion, of having an online submission form where any random person with a vivid imagination and too much time on their hands can fill out a 600 question form to claim they've been abducted. For me, that just doesn't reach my threshold of acceptable veracity of claim. Sure, hard, physical proof of any kind is currently non-existent for any abductee story but I don't feel submitting your claim in an online form sets the bar high enough to be remotely considered proof, let alone credible. Then, to make the claim that 83% of abductees viewed the experiences as "pleasant" and one they would like to have again? That begs follow up questions that weren't even asked. How about asking Dr. Davis the question I believe Rey Hernandez was asked years ago when he was on - How do you filter out the questionnaire submissions that are bogus? What is the criteria used when reviewing submission to ascertain if someone is a "legitimate" experiencer? Of the 4,000+ questionnaires submitted how many have been rejected? In total and as a percentage? I would have appreciated the host following up with those sort of inquiries.

One area where I disagree with Gene during ATP is when he's questioning the "83% positive experience" number thrown out by Dr. Davis. Gene was casting doubt on the percentage from the standpoint of saying all those abductees being experimented on must be suffering from "Stockholm syndrome" to think it was a positive experience they'd like to have again. You are making a rather huge assumption that all of those 4,000 alleged experiencers were experimented on in some way. You can't make that prejudicial assumption without knowing specifically what FREE's data reflects in that regard but that was also a question that subsequently went unasked and would have been important to know in order to better interpret that 83% response. I'm no encyclopedia of abductee experiences, so the two that immediately jump to mind where experiments were performed are Betty and Barney Hill and Travis Walton. I don't consider Gene's good buddy, Dr. David Jacobs, to be a reliable source for anything, therefore I leave his "research" out of the equation. It seems to me, more alleged abductees, of the well known variety, claim rather positive experiences than horrific ones, just ask Billy Meier (kidding! I got jokes) so questioning the 83% figure is misguided without knowing how many of the 4,000 FREE abductees may have been medically tortured. You simple assumed it was most, if not all, by your thinking. We simply don't have enough information to make that judgement.

I hope Erica Lukes does end up booking an appointment with Dr. Batchelor. I would be very interested in her experience. Hell, if I had the $125 to burn I would definitely give it a shot, just to satisfy the curiosity seeker in me and so that I could share the experience with everyone in the forum. Regarding Gene's short session during the episode, 1) I don't think it's fair to judge someone's ability based on 7 minutes of relaxing before a commercial break when her visits normally span an hour and 2) Not turning on your camera so she could see you, as you were seeing her, also skews the results. I can't help but think it was your own vanity, Gene, that caused you to refuse to Skype on camera with Dr. Batchelor. Come on man, we all know you're old, it was for science! Unless Erica does book a session, I guess we'll never really know...

Jesus, this turned into a long one! tl;dr for sure.

 

[SheaOlmsford]

I thought that Gene did not want to turn on his camera because he did not want to give Bachelor any visual cues. Some people are extremely good at cold reading and picking up on unconscious facial clues. Perhaps Gene is vain, but I immediately assumed he just did not want to give her any free information. However, it didn't really matter since all she did is lead him through a standard relaxation exercise while attributing it to some other-worldly source.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

One area where I disagree with Gene during ATP is when he's questioning the "83% positive experience" number thrown out by Dr. Davis. Gene was casting doubt on the percentage from the standpoint of saying all those abductees being experimented on must be suffering from "Stockholm syndrome" to think it was a positive experience they'd like to have again. You are making a rather huge assumption that all of those 4,000 alleged experiencers were experimented on in some way. You can't make that prejudicial assumption without knowing specifically what FREE's data reflects in that regard but that was also a question that subsequently went unasked and would have been important to know in order to better interpret that 83% response. I'm no encyclopedia of abductee experiences, so the two that immediately jump to mind where experiments were performed are Betty and Barney Hill and Travis Walton. I don't consider Gene's good buddy, Dr. David Jacobs, to be a reliable source for anything, therefore I leave his "research" out of the equation. It seems to me, more alleged abductees, of the well known variety, claim rather positive experiences than horrific ones, just ask Billy Meier (kidding! I got jokes) so questioning the 83% figure is misguided without knowing how many of the 4,000 FREE abductees may have been medically tortured. You simple assumed it was most, if not all, by your thinking. We simply don't have enough information to make that judgement.

David Jacobs is not "my good buddy." I hardly know him beyond the shows he's been on, and I've made it very clear I do not support his research methods. I've said this enough times so the message ought to be crystal clear.

As to my doubts about the 83% positive reaction to abduction experiences in the FREE survey, "Stockholm syndrome" is not intended as my final say on the subject. It is, however, a reasonable assumption to make about positive reactions to being kidnapped by unknown forces and subjected to sometimes painful and primitive medical tests. It may be that many experiencers simply come to accept a "higher purpose" in such actions and are willing to tolerate such behavior. Consider Whitley Strieber.

As to the camera: My intention in having her turn on the camera was to be able to determine if she underwent any changes in light of the claim that she sometimes shape-shifted. It wasn't about me. This is a radio show, after all, and my presence in a picture doesn't matter.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

I thought that Gene did not want to turn on his camera because he did not want to give Bachelor any visual cues. Some people are extremely good at cold reading and picking up on unconscious facial clues. Perhaps Gene is vain, but I immediately assumed he just did not want to give her any free information. However, it didn't really matter since all she did is lead him through a standard relaxation exercise while attributing it to some other-worldly source.

Exactly. Vanity was never a part of it.

 

[SheaOlmsford]

My personal belief is that human beings experience specific different categories of contact experiences. Mine, as noted earlier, were impersonal and terrifying. However, I do believe that others have contacts that would fit under the "Space Brothers - Enlightened beings - Fabio Clones in Robes" category. I suppose I agree with Jacques Vallee and John Keel that this is a phenomena that can shape shift at will. Perhaps ALL OF THIS comes from one source (hardly an original concept). But that one source manifests in different stylized scenarios. Why? Don't have a clue. I suppose we could blame the human recipient of the experience. I was an abused child, a constant disappointment to my parents because I was a sissy boy. I had no friends. I lived in a rural area where everyone had a very practical "flat land" view of reality. Whenever I would speak about books I wanted to read, I was told to "Come down to Earth". I felt very alone. The world was a very scary place for me. I knew I was very different (gay) in a culture that then had NO PLACE for me except the gutter. Into THAT context, perhaps this phenomena manifested in a very abusive cold manner, with little white "greys" with almond eyes who treated me with no kindness or consideration.

Who knows? Perhaps others who had nanny's like Mary Poppins and felt very happy and secure in their version of reality would have instead had angelic beautiful beings come to them to speak of Ascension to the 5th dimension, raising your frequency and becoming a lightworker to bring heaven to Earth.

However, I wonder if both extremes are just a scam. Yes, they are REAL when they are happening, but ultimately the source behind them may be acting with a logic we cannot understand.

Therefore, while many abductees may be deluded in a Stockholm Syndrome manner, perhaps others actually have positive experiences, although I have found that such positive experiences almost always reinforce a New Age dogma of Ascension. I have surmised that many of the FREE board personnel support that New Age viewpoint of alien contact.

A classic channeling of that viewpoint was presented in the early 1980's in the RA MATERIAL. I made it a goal to study the 5 books of channelings this past year. I selected the YOUTUBE series by host Scott Mandelker. I wanted to familiarize myself with this entire belief system, as you might do with the religion of an Amazon tribe. As part of that, I took a lot of notes and put them into files. If anyone wants to check them out (totally free, no strings attached, no attempt on my part to get my 15 minutes of fame since that happened a long time ago):

Scott Mandelker Law of One Teachings LOG 1.pdf

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

I thought that Gene did not want to turn on his camera because he did not want to give Bachelor any visual cues. Some people are extremely good at cold reading and picking up on unconscious facial clues. Perhaps Gene is vain, but I immediately assumed he just did not want to give her any free information. However, it didn't really matter since all she did is lead him through a standard relaxation exercise while attributing it to some other-worldly source.

Hi BTS,

I would agree with you IF this was a show featuring a psychic that would be doing a reading. That was not the case. Dr. Batchelor positions herself as a healer, so Skyping doesn't give her any kind of advantage and it is how she normally conducts her sessions. So seeing Gene gives Dr. Batchelor no advantage when she's trying to use her "multi-dimensional" tools to "uplift" him. In fact, since Gene was trying to let her showcase her abilities by providing him a session, it would have been a courteous move to reciprocate by turning on his camera. His decision not to seemed rude, in my opinion, and as I shared in my earlier post, I would argue it possibly skewed the potential impact of her short session with Gene, inhibiting a positive result (beyond Gene's slight buzz).


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[SheaOlmsford]

Hi BTS,

I would agree with you IF this was a show featuring a psychic that would be doing a reading. That was not the case. Dr. Batchelor positions herself as a healer, so Skyping doesn't give her any kind of advantage and it is how she normally conducts her sessions. So seeing Gene gives Dr. Batchelor no advantage when she's trying to use her "multi-dimensional" tools to "uplift" him. In fact, since Gene was trying to let her showcase her abilities by providing him a session, it would have been a courteous move to reciprocate by turning on his camera. His decision not to seemed rude, in my opinion, and as I shared in my earlier post, I would argue it possibly skewed the potential impact of her short session with Gene, inhibiting a positive result (beyond Gene's slight buzz).


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Well, there is a counter rumor that Gene was in drag and does all the interviews while wearing a platinum Marilyn Monroe wig, ruby red lipstick with a fake beauty mark on his cheek. Just kidding, obviously. Gene is ALL MAN!!

Seriously, you actually believe in this woman after what you heard? You give her even a benefit of a doubt that she shapeshifts? OMG. That makes me rather sad.

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

David Jacobs is not "my good buddy." I hardly know him beyond the shows he's been on, and I've made it very clear I do not support his research methods. I've said this enough times so the message ought to be crystal clear.

As to my doubts about the 83% positive reaction to abduction experiences in the FREE survey, "Stockholm syndrome" is not intended as my final say on the subject. It is, however, a reasonable assumption to make about positive reactions to being kidnapped by unknown forces and subjected to sometimes painful and primitive medical tests. It may be that many experiencers simply come to accept a "higher purpose" in such actions and are willing to tolerate such behavior. Consider Whitley Strieber.

As to the camera: My intention in having her turn on the camera was to be able to determine if she underwent any changes in light of the claim that she sometimes shape-shifted. It wasn't about me. This is a radio show, after all, and my presence in a picture doesn't matter.

No, it is not a reasonable assumption Gene, precisely because you are making a huge leap with your assumption that the overwhelming majority of these alleged FREE abductees were subjected to painful medical tests. We have no way of knowing what, if anything, they were subjected to. Of course, you could have asked Dr. Davis that follow up question specifically but you didn't. So, to me, the more logical assumption given the 83% positive figure is that those abductees were NOT medically tortured, hence their positive feedback. That makes more sense and is a much smaller leap of an assumption than your "Stockholm syndrome" theory. The only people that make the "evil alien" kind of sweeping assumptions are Jacobs and Hopkins. And now you, apparently.

I think the 83% figure is bullshit simply because of the flawed collection method of abductee experiences by FREE.


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[Gene Steinberg]

She said she does do voice only sessions.

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

Well, there is a counter rumor that Gene was in drag and does all the interviews while wearing a platinum Marilyn Monroe wig, ruby red lipstick with a fake beauty mark on his cheek.

Seriously, you actually believe in this woman after what you heard? That makes me rather sad.

OK, I was respectful in my reply but you want to throw some shade now? I don't necessarily believe or not believe, what I was pointing out is if you are going to have someone on the show and essentially hold them up to be judged in front of the entire Paracast audience, make it a fair exchange.


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[Gene Steinberg]

No, it is not a reasonable assumption Gene, precisely because you are making a huge leap with your assumption that the overwhelming majority of these alleged FREE abductees were subjected to painful medical tests. We have no way of knowing what, if anything, they were subjected to. Of course, you could have asked Dr. Davis that follow up question specifically but you didn't. So, to me, the more logical assumption given the 83% positive figure is that those abductees were NOT medically tortured, hence their positive feedback. That makes more sense and is a much smaller leap of an assumption than your "Stockholm syndrome" theory. The only people that make the "evil alien" kind of sweeping assumptions are Jacobs and Hopkins. And now you, apparently.

I think the 83% figure is bullshit simply because of the flawed collection method of abductee experiences by FREE.

You are making a huge deal of this. I don't. But for those who had painful or stressful encounters, we shouldn't dismiss it.

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

She said she does do voice only sessions.

IMO, a 7-minute voice sessions isn't a fair test of Dr. Batchelor's alleged abilities. It was clear from the episode voice-only wasn't her preference.


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[SheaOlmsford]

OK, I was respectful in my reply but you want to throw some shade now? I don't necessarily believe or not believe, what I was pointing out is if you are going to have someone on the show and essentially hold them up to be judged in front of the entire Paracast audience, make it a fair exchange.


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I am not defending Gene. I am not a broadcaster. I understand your point. After listening to that woman, I guess I just didn't care much what happened to her on the show. So much New Age gobbly gook, so little time.

I thought Gene was more rude to Mr. Davis. But none of this is important to me. A lady who makes $125 per hour giving people relaxation exercises is probably not crying into her pillow right now.

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

You are making a huge deal of this. I don't. But for those who had painful or stressful encounters, we shouldn't dismiss it.

Gene, this is a forum. We're having normal discourse. I'm hardly making a huge deal of anything. I'm merely sharing my thoughts with you and other forum members. Nowhere in any of my posts was I dismissive of anyone who has suffered abuse at the hands of aliens. I believe BTS, I believe Betty & Barney Hill, as well as Travis Walton. I wouldn't wish that kind of terror on anyone.


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[SheaOlmsford]

Gene, this is a forum. We're having normal discourse. I'm hardly making a huge deal of anything. I'm merely sharing my thoughts with you and other forum members. Nowhere in any of my posts was I dismissive of anyone who has suffered abuse at the hands of aliens. I believe BTS, I believe Betty & Barney Hill, as well as Travis Walton. I wouldn't wish that kind of terror on anyone.


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Forgive this bizarre question. You aren't actually Don Ecker, are you? Don't ask me where I got that idea.