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Angelo - I agree. I read the lot. To be fair I saw fair points on both sides, however I strongly disagree that Phillip Klass or anyone has definitively put cases such as Rendlesham to bed. They may be in fact correct on many things but they don't know for a fact and that is what these skeptics are peddling. Unless they were there themselves, they, nor anyone else can say for sure it has been successfully debunked. Like most 'good' cases we will never know.
 
tyder001 said:
Hi Voyager. By ongoing are you talking nuts and bolts spacecraft? Aduction by off world e.t.'s or some kind of spiritual expereince? More than likely I haven't followed your conversation close enough. You may have already covered this. If so then I'm sorry, but could you elaborate a little?
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I attempted to respond to this message this morning but something was screwed up with the software on this site. I couldn't post it, and lost what I wrote. The last 2 responses I posted this morning never appeared on the thread. Now I don't feel like writing about it. Maybe later today.
 
Voyager said:
I attempted to respond to this message this morning but something was screwed up with the software on this site. I couldn't post it, and lost what I wrote. The last 2 responses I posted this morning never appeared on the thread. Now I don't feel like writing about it. Maybe later today.
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That's annoying. I was getting errors this morning too, but Gene said that might happen while some upgrades are put in place.
 
uforadio said:
Skeptics debate over Leslie Kean's book in skeptical newsletter :)

In case you missed these multiple rebuttals and flame wars between skeptics George Michael and Robert Sheaffer over Leslie Kean's book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record," here is the complete chronology:

On the March 28, 2012, in the newsletter eSkeptic, George Michael reviewed Leslie Kean's book. His review is titled "Best Evidence for UFOs".
Review link:
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-03-28/#feature

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Billy Cox comments rebutalls in his latest article:

Source: http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/12935/kicking-the-hornets-nest/


De Void

Kicking the hornets’ nest

Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 9:49 by Billy Cox
Dr. George Michael clearly had no idea what he was stepping into last month when he submitted a favorable review of Leslie Kean’s UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go On the Record to eSkeptic, the online newsletter of the Skeptics Society. Boy, was he in for an education.


'The tribe often thinks the visionary has turned his back on them. When, in fact, the visionary has simply turned his face to the future' ― Ray Davis/CREDIT: petermanseye.com
“I would’ve hoped they would’ve been more open-minded instead of going ad hominem and calling me clueless and stupid,” said Michael from Montgomery, Ala. That’s where he teaches nuclear counterproliferation and deterrence theory, at the Air War College, as an associate professor. “I know they categorically reject UFOs, I just didn’t know how deep it went.”
Michael, a relative newcomer to the UFO controversy, apparently passed a Skeptical smell test last year without incident. Intrigued by Stephen Hawking’s warnings in 2010 that radio signals might alert galactic conquistadors to the presence of life on Earth, Michael revisited three classes of hypothetical extraterrestrial civilizations proposed by Russian astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev in the 1960s. His article didn’t mention UFOs. Skeptic Magazine published it in 2011.
But last week, the spit hit the fan.

(More at link...)
 
Reminds me of the Catholic Inquisition: How dare you speak heresy! They are all in for a rude awakening!
 
If we are being visited I would like to see absolute proof. The public at large just doesn't really seem to care. The media has done a magnificent job of acting like damn clowns and belittling anybody who has ever seen lights in the sky. I noticed the other day there was a media report and the "presenters" were already smirking and tittering before they even started to read copy.
 
tyder001 said:
If we are being visited I would like to see absolute proof. The public at large just doesn't really seem to care. The media has done a magnificent job of acting like damn clowns and belittling anybody who has ever seen lights in the sky. I noticed the other day there was a media report and the "presenters" were already smirking and tittering before they even started to read copy.
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When you see a UFO for yourself, even a simple CE-1, you have all the proof you need. For example my sighting was only of a glowing sphere, but what it did was beyond anything human technology had then or now. Until you have such an experience yourself it's hard to relate to how significant it is. The public at large simply doesn't get it because they are mired in everyday human affairs and UFOs are a complete diversion from that mode of existence. Only when they actually have a UFO experience do the blinders really come off.
 
I have documented my own sighting. I have had some "weird" experiences. I still don't know and am still not convinced that the "lights" in the sky I saw are not of earthly origin. It's kind of like all paranormal stuff. Some see it and go "Wow" and others somehow manage to file it away and go on with life.
 
tyder001 said:
I have documented my own sighting. I have had some "weird" experiences. I still don't know and am still not convinced that the "lights" in the sky I saw are not of earthly origin. It's kind of like all paranormal stuff. Some see it and go "Wow" and others somehow manage to file it away and go on with life.
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Yes we've touched on your sighting before. What in particular makes you so undecisive about it ( what in your mind makes it a UAP as opposed to a UFO? )
 
I'm just not a believer. I hate to sound like the skeptics who just close their minds to anything they can't measure in a test tube. Or find a pop scientist to debunk. But, I just don't believe in nuts and bolts u.f.o's. Lights in the sky are just not proof of alien intelligence. Lights in the sky could be a satalite or a planet or a craft of some kind of earthly origin. Still, it was pretty strange so I don't discount it completely. But, to me being "undecisive" isn't quite the right word. I am skeptical. That is what seperates the sane and open minded seaker of truth from the zealot or the nut cases. ;) I never say I "know" or at least I don't say it very often. When I do know then I'll say I know. But, let me say this. I have gone to the same spot (it's in my backyard.) and looked toward the same sky and I have not seen anything like it again. So, that seems to rule out a star or planet or even satalite. I am sure it wasn't an airplane. I'll keep looking.
 
Aviation expert Dr. Todd Curtis, a former airline safety analyst with Boeing and author of "Understanding Aviation Safety Data," interviewed Leslie Kean about air safety implications and UFOs for his website, AirSafe.com.

Audio link:
http://bit.ly/12013lb

Annoucement:
The AirSafe.com News: Interview with author and investigative reporter Leslie Kean

Dr. Curtis already received criticism for including such material on his website:
The AirSafe.com News: Why studying unexplained aerial phenomena will improve aviation
 
Note For Leslie: When you're talking about craft that don't conform to anything natural or manmade, you're no longer talking about UAPs anymore, you're talking about alien craft, commonly referred to as UFOs. Don't be afraid of the words. At some point you need to jump off the fence and accept that what you're dealing with isn't from within the boundaries and constructs of our global civilization. Forget that the government won't tell us they're real. We already know they know. If NARCAP want's to write UFOs off as "entertainment" let them. Something tells me you also think there's much more to what you are studying than that. It's time for you to embrace responsible ufology and leave these other non-committal wafflers behind.
 
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