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January 6, 2019 — Yovav Gad



USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
#21
I agree with DavidVincent that Yovav is clueless. He didn't even know what To The Stars Academy is, which practically disqualifies him as a ufologist.

As for coding his own website, that looks to have been a mistake. His website stinks! If he had gone with ready made platforms he could have customzed it without putting in so much effort.
Still, the idea to create a cost free portal for freelance UFO reporters and ufologists is well intentioned. I've also seen worse sites, and sites can evolve with the right help. Like I said someplace on the show. Let's see where's he's at with it in five years. Personally, I hope that it works out and turns into something that everyone here would agree has been a worthwhile effort. I also hope nobody here is wishing any I'll on Yovav. Doesn't anyone else besides me have some friendly advice and constructive criticism?
 
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GlitteringBadger

Skilled Investigator
#23
Aw. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.
You (and Gene) were swimming against the tide on this one and you performed admirably :)

As for constructive criticism, I would tell Yovav that:
  • There's a good idea for a site in this, somewhere. Keep at it!
  • "providing sources" has to be more than just the writer telling the reader where they found their outlandish story.
  • I like the reader voting idea with regard to a story's credibility, but how do you avoid the blind leading the blind?
  • Maybe a tighter focus would be good--there's a lot of general "all the UFO/Weird Science" news places around. Reddit already has the upvoting/downvoting thing. What would make you stand out?
As for other good places to discuss current UFO news, I wish I had some insight. Most of my interest is in UFO history rather than the seemingly endless churn of current revelations and hot takes. Speaking of which, Greg Bishop and Adam Gorightly have a new book on Contactee history called A is for Adamski that just came out and I think it would be great to have them on the show!
 

DavidVincent

Skilled Investigator
#24
Yes I've recently stumbled upon Greg Bishop's podcast myself - and I think it's generally excellent. Still overmuch speculative talk though to my mind, but at least he doesn't have the stress of having to desperately source guests to a weekly schedule and there are no ads. It could become a pleasant occasional listening habit.
I've no ill will against the last guest, I stuck with the episode but I just found it tiresome and ultimately waste of time. I just don't think it advances scientific research of the phenomenon. It's a free world of course and I wouldn't want to dictate to anyone, but the internet really does seem to have become the true Tower of Babel. I guess where there are essentially no economic "barriers to entry" or access then we can't complain about the lack of quality.
 

DavidVincent

Skilled Investigator
#25
maybe I was expecting too much - but from what I can see there really hasn't been any progress in getting to the bottom of this most perplexing of mysteries, and the same sort of craziness that decided Jacques Vallee to exit the field decades ago seems to be present again nowadays. Nobody seems to have yet bettered the sort of theories that Vallee put forward (to much derision) decades ago. Now there was a proper profession scientist! as was Hynek - we are the modern equivalents? all we seem to have presently (TTSA possibly excepted - but my jury is still out even on them) are hobbyists (albeit well meaning), cranks, professional "entertainers" and outright scammers......plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose :)
 

DavidVincent

Skilled Investigator
#27
ok I think the penny's dropped for me now, and was probably the reason I originally exited the field 20 years ago. There was mention just now of the "ufo community" - it's just a hobby really, a club, almost maybe a religion/cult isn't it (with all of its various beliefs and infighting squabbles) ? And for some people a nice income stream/ego trip? And the very last thing it wants to do is to actually solve the mystery - it just wants to perpetuate itself.
Maybe I will check back in another 20 :)
 

Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
#28
But I imagine that any site, even if run as a hobby, must have certain ongoing expenses that need to be recovered and ads are maybe a necessary annoyance to put up with. Do all those other sites run similar ads?
To clarify: Our agreement with GCN is strictly barter. We share commercial opportunities, and the more we sell, the more money we get. Alas, without sales help, we haven't done well in that score, except on rare occasions. If we did, there'd be plenty of money to provide a decent middle class lifestyle.

I always welcome applicants.
 

Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
#29
ok I think the penny's dropped for me now, and was probably the reason I originally exited the field 20 years ago. There was mention just now of the "ufo community" - it's just a hobby really, a club, almost maybe a religion/cult isn't it (with all of its various beliefs and infighting squabbles) ? And for some people a nice income stream/ego trip? And the very last thing it wants to do is to actually solve the mystery - it just wants to perpetuate itself.
Maybe I will check back in another 20 :)
If it's solved, there will be plenty more mysteries to cover. But at my advanced age, I have little confidence there will be any solutions anytime soon.
 

DavidVincent

Skilled Investigator
#31
I don't know - but just the talk about bartering, sales, merchandise etc all sounds a bit tacky to me really. I'm no highbrow but I thought it was supposed to be on a somewhat higher plane here. I don't think commerce and serious research sit well together - but that's just my opinion. But just looking around elsewhere I seem to find that commercialism/monetization seems to be a fairly common thread - I've now looked at Mufon and other sites as OpenMinds UFO Radio and they seem to want to sell mugs, hats and tee-shirts . To The Stars is looking more like some sort of hedge fund SEC pitch.
I'm heading back to the Ufological wilderness bunker again :)
 

TDSR

Skilled Investigator
#32
Checking back in after 20 yrs expecting everyone but yourself to advance the subject is frankly lazy....that is the actual problem with Ufology today. I speak only for myself but the Paracast continues to give me exciting new information with a balance of the nostalgia. There are those of us who are trying to move the ball, the world is more complex, and so is the phenomena than we once knew, in fact so different that I would call the current ufology movement has advanced beyond expectations, unfortunately, the subject, fakes, and research got more complicated, not simpler, more questions than answers...which should be expected for such an incredible subject/field.

Every case is this field needs a follow-up investigation...pick one and get back to us after you have something to report, if it takes another 20 years, fine, we will be here.
 

DavidVincent

Skilled Investigator
#33
I've no desire to be an active participant/researcher myself, I just had a certain passive interest in/knowledge of the subject some decades ago. I was curious to see how matters may have progressed (or not - as appears to the case) since, and those were just my observations and personal opinions. I don't think (again my opinion) that any amateur/hobbyist undertakings are going to advance matters any further in the next 20 years no matter how much old cases are picked over, but obviously people are entirely free to do so. It also seems that mainstream science is still not prepared to enter the field to any great extent, so nothing has changed really? - still no tangible proof.
 

wwkirk

Paranormal Adept
#38
I've no desire to be an active participant/researcher myself, I just had a certain passive interest in/knowledge of the subject some decades ago. I was curious to see how matters may have progressed (or not - as appears to the case) since, and those were just my observations and personal opinions. I don't think (again my opinion) that any amateur/hobbyist undertakings are going to advance matters any further in the next 20 years no matter how much old cases are picked over, but obviously people are entirely free to do so. It also seems that mainstream science is still not prepared to enter the field to any great extent, so nothing has changed really? - still no tangible proof.
Have you checked out these guys? The Scientific Coalition for Ufology
 

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